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BBQ Eagle

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I am coming to the game. I look forward to the season and wish your team the very best. You are probably right in saying you are way better than us. You should win this game easily. We should not be on the same field as Kentucky ( SEC ).

However, our school plays with a ever present chip on our shoulder. For anyone to look at our football team from the standpoint of a year window under Ellis Johnson is being disingenuous at the very least. We were one of 5 schools to have a winning record for 20 years. And yes, you will say but you did not beat anybody. Ask Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Ole MIss, MS State, LSU, Florida State, North Carolina State, Louisville, TCU, Oklahoma State, Virginia, Nebraska, Navy, and Houston just name a few in the last 20 years. We may not have your resources or your recruits, but we have kids that want to play at USM, want to show all our opponents that under estimating the fight in the dog will get your *** beat. We are just glad to have the opportunity, and look forward to the fight. Anytime, anywhere, any place. Southern Miss To The Top!
 
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RUPPsRevenge1

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We will beat Southern Miss the way many teams have. Southern Miss hay day was when they were getting pounder in a weak CUSA that actually had some mediocre teams. The current CUSA is no better than the Kentucky School for the Blind. Your facilities are trash as is your football team. The 15,000 fans you average is the reason no one has ever mentoned Southern Miss with expansion.
 

supernova0221

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Football brother. I think this is going to be a great game and a great atmosphere. We will show up and represent. If you win, win because you are a better team, and prepared. If we win, same thing applies.

You beat 1 team with a winning record last year in one of the worst conferences in football. The combined record of the teams you beat was 31-75. The 3 years before that you went 4-32. So are you really better or did you just take advantage of the fact everyone else you played sucked?

In contrast, Yes, UK went 5-7...in 12 games played 9 bowl teams and only 3 teams with losing records. If you are going to try to respond. Try to bring more then sarcasm. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 

Bryo72

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I am coming to the game. I look forward to the season and wish your team the very best. You are probably right in saying you are way better than us. You should win this game easily. We should not be on the same field as Kentucky ( SEC ).

However, our school plays with a ever present chip on our shoulder. For anyone to look at our football team from the standpoint of a year window under Ellis Johnson is being disingenuous at the very least. We were one of 5 schools to have a winning record for 20 years. And yes, you will say but you did not beat anybody. Ask Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Ole MIss, MS State, LSU, Florida State, North Carolina State, Louisville, TCU, Oklahoma State, Virginia, Nebraska, Navy, and Houston just name a few in the last 20 years. We may not have your resources or your recruits, but we have kids that want to play at USM, want to show all our opponents that under estimating the fight in the dog will get your *** beat. We are just glad to have the opportunity, and look forward to the fight. Anytime, anywhere, any place. Southern Miss To The Top!
I'm usually (smart a** on our board)...but seriously, BBQ Eagle, your team is no push over, it will be a competitive game for both of the teams....let's see what happens, it will be a fun opener none the less
 

supernova0221

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I'm usually (smart a** on our board)...but seriously, BBQ Eagle, your team is no push over, it will be a competitive game for both of the teams....let's see what happens, it will be a fun opener none the less

Just wondering, not saying it can't happen. But factually how do you say that? Nothing stat wise backs that up.
 
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The fact that UK Soccer plays in C-USA has nothing to do with football. Futbol or whatever it is called cannot be equated with American football.

This game is a must win game for UK and I have to believe that UK will be well prepared. That being said, we must take Southern Miss seriously. I think we will.
 
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Shannon Dawson is your OC. I'll be the first to tell you he's about as bad and predictable of an OC a team could ever want to play defense against. If we don't blow the doors off this Shannon Dawson coached offense. Then stoops obviously doesn't belong here any longer. This game has no business being close. And I only say that based on who the OC is. The guy is just pure trash. How many times did we hear 'if the play worked I would've looked like a genius' when asked about very poor, very questionable play calling from the media. Stoops also reiterated those same sentiments which would anger the hell out of me. No Dawson, you called a garbage game and a garbage play. In no way could've you looked like a 'genius'.
 
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Dakota25

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If you all beat UK then don't go around being all excited about beating an SEC team. UK is the basketball school of the conference. Now USM is good but UK has a lot of talent. I expect it to be close and high scoring.
 

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Fans have been blaming the OC for years; 3 in the last 5 years should provide sufficient evidence that it might not be the assistant coaches who are responsible for poor performance. Remember, Dawson did not drop a single pass, he did not throw a single interception nor did he fumble a single time ..........
 

docholiday51

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I think this is a better(tougher) game than we usually have to open the season.Since Shannon Dawson is there a few extra story lines have been added to an already interesting first game.

There are many things riding on how this season unfolds for the Cats,so each game that UK should win or at least have a chance to win will take on extra meaning(coaches will say that is not the case but we and they know that it is the case) We need to get off to a good start,we can't afford to lose this one.

As to the game,it is likely to be an offensive show,I expect our ability to run the ball will decide the outcome.I don't think Southern Miss will be able to stop Boom &Co. If they can't we win, if they can we may have a problem.We will see how good our secondary is right out of the gate,I believe they will be pretty good. I believe we will see something like 38-24 in our favor as we take control in the 4th quarter.
 
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MusicEagle

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Ha. Shannon Dawson was the scapegoat for the frustrations of last season. We'll see how things go this season, but that's still the truth. Kentucky is a school constantly looking for the next scapegoat to explain their problems, until eventually it comes back to the head coach. Stoops may be able to recruit and has a football pedigree, but Ed Orgeron could also recruit like nobody's business and he was a failure as a HC at Ole Miss. So keep piling up blame on your scapegoats like Dawson. You know who we blamed for our bad stretch? A guy who took our program from 12-2 to 0-12 in a one year turnaround (Ellis Johnson). That has merit. The "Dawson situation" is just history repeating itself.
 
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frost1

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for sure So Miss. does not have the money that UK Has. But because they are In a smaller Conference, i do not wish to run down their program or conference. They do give 85 more players the chance to play football. Uk should win, but we have to play the game. I predict Uk 37 So Miss. 21. go big blue.
 

Stonewall12

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20 years? GTFO here and start prepping the lube. You're the first pebble on the way up our mountain of frustration. The fact that your garbage OC cost us and stoops virtually all recruiting momentum makes me want to run it up even more. See you soon
:flushed:[eyeroll]
 

shutzhund

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In all fairness Dawson didn't have a qb, offensive line or receivers. On the other hand he should have recognized that. What could he or any other OC do about that? Not very much.

Now, at least, he has a qb. Don't know about the other two but I wouldn't be too quick to count him out because of his performance here.
 
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wkuhilltopperfan

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We will beat Southern Miss the way many teams have. Southern Miss hay day was when they were getting pounder in a weak CUSA that actually had some mediocre teams. The current CUSA is no better than the Kentucky School for the Blind. Your facilities are trash as is your football team. The 15,000 fans you average is the reason no one has ever mentoned Southern Miss with expansion.

As an neutral lurker this post makes you seem very uneducated, basketball success does not help football, so I don't know why you think you will just roll USM. As for the junkie CUSA you claim , don't forget you lost the last two against WKU which plays in CUSA . With the budget SEC teams have over CUSA it's hard for any of us to compete much less win, but yet we find ways. As for this game, I don't know what to expect from the new USM coach yet but USM does have the talent to beat UK. I expect this to be a close game until the size of UK wears USM down. The one major problem I saw with USM was conditioning and playing any SEC team there is going to be plenty of size on both sides of the ball. If USM can get up fast is the best chance they have IMO. Final results 42-38 UK
 
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We historically know first hand Coach Dawson's strategy. He is going to want to put points on the board quick with vertical passing. I think his best game was ULL. His thinking is to get explosive plays and massive amount of yards. We have the defensive players to combat this. Our secondary should shut down passing routes and limit explosive plays. We know that he has a tendency of running the ball up the middle. They don't have a Boom Williams that is going to go for 50+ yards each run. That being said our DL has to step up and run block and our LB's have to be able to hit the holes and fundamentally tackle.
Dawson is ineffective at making half time adjustments. He continuously runs plays that fail to work to a point where even the fans could guess the play.

Fundamentally Dawson's ineptness will play a huge part in UK's win.
 

Oldtrainer_rivals

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Ha. Shannon Dawson was the scapegoat for the frustrations of last season. We'll see how things go this season, but that's still the truth. Kentucky is a school constantly looking for the next scapegoat to explain their problems, until eventually it comes back to the head coach. Stoops may be able to recruit and has a football pedigree, but Ed Orgeron could also recruit like nobody's business and he was a failure as a HC at Ole Miss. So keep piling up blame on your scapegoats like Dawson. You know who we blamed for our bad stretch? A guy who took our program from 12-2 to 0-12 in a one year turnaround (Ellis Johnson). That has merit. The "Dawson situation" is just history repeating itself.

Ed Orgeron was a known cheater. Never figured that hire by The Rebs.
Imo Shannon Dawson was not the only scapegoat in CATS 2015 meltdown. Coach Stoops shoulders a lot of the blame. Think his off seasons offensive hires will rectify much of the past mistakes. Imo this years CATS offense will be our best since the 2007 team! Coach Stoops has our roster at a all time UK high with quality players!
I'm sure your Golden Eagles are a top C-USA team and are chopping at the bit to play a SEC team in the opener. Good luck to you and your team after THE CATS game.
 

Sin The

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USM only hired Dawson because they couldn't convince anyone else to take the job. Anyone who watched his poor scheming, poor play calling, and lack of second half adjustments knows that he is a horrible OC.
 

hmt5000

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Dawson took over an O at UK that avg 29 ppg and returned pretty much everyone and promptly avg 25 ppg. The qbs didn't develop or weren't used properly.

If your qb struggles throwing the deep ball and you call deep routes on 1st and 2nd down... that's on the oc. If he has the personnel to run what he calls then I think he'll do well but he is not one of those coaches that can assess his team accurately and adjust his play calling accordingly.
 

Rhavic

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I welcome fans from other teams to come over and smack talk back and forth or just chat about the game. That said, I personally don't have a world of concerns for this game. It's the first game of the year, the players are excited to get onto the field and hit some guys in different uniforms, so I'm sure Southern Miss will absolutely get the respect that they're gunning for after last season.

All that said, the reasons I'm not concerned:

I know who your offensive coordinator is, a lot more than I'd like to know. He's as bad of a playcaller as I can remember. We got worse in many offensive categories, and he made our QB regress enormously with his whole "stand in the pocket, don't leave the pocket, hold the ball for 5 seconds and launch it downfield" offensive philosophy.

Maybe that offensive philosophy will work alright with Nick Mullens, and in C-USA, but it can't work in the SEC. Don't care if you have the Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas offensive line in front of you, when your QB is told that he shouldn't leave the pocket under any circumstances, and to hold the ball long enough for your receivers to go long on every play, you're going to get smashed by the pass rush.

Probably important to note that as it pertains to the game because Kentucky is going to be the 2nd most athletic and physical team that your team will see this season (behind LSU). To my understanding, the Southern Miss defense will struggle against the run in C-USA. That doesn't fare well against UK, who legitimately has one of the best backfields in the SEC overall. Think the problem that your team will face is mostly attributed to being undersized, and not quite as athletic as UK. Our receivers have an average height of nearly 4 inches above your CB's, our offensive linemen roughly outsize your defensive line by about an average of 50 pounds, and your linebackers are only between 215-230 pounds (230ish being the heaviest that I've seen). The physical comparison between the linebackers and the tight ends is pretty stark as well. From what I gather, your linebackers are about an average of 5'11-6'1, weighing between 215-230 as I've said. One of them will line up against CJ Conrad (One of our two Freshman All-Americans from last season), who is about 6'5, 250. Really versatile tight end.

On the flip side, Southern Miss has a pretty balanced offense in terms of weapons, but it lost its share of big contributors. Southern Miss isn't going to be able to run offense like Dawson did at UK last year and expect success though. Aside from the fact that the whole "Sit in the pocket for 5 seconds and launch it downfield" offensive scheme is just asinine, your team will probably struggle to get it downfield against our secondary (which is also supposed to be one of the best secondaries in the SEC), and this is all assuming that Dawson doesn't force Mullens to sit in the pocket long enough to get sacked.
We bring back 3 starters in our secondary who were true freshmen last year (and had the 28th best pass defense in the country, and closed out the season with the 3rd best pass defense in the nation in the final month). The secondary will have 6'4 Chris Westry, who is our other Freshman All-American. Then there's 6'3 Derrick Baity, our field corner and the technician of the group, and at safety is the best player on either side of the ball for UK, Mike Edwards.

We have a pretty young but talented linebacking corps, led by Courtney Love (not the one who killed Cobain). Reports are that they're coming along, and can generate a good pass rush (something that we lacked last season) for our 3-4 defense. Your team will likely see 6'3, 255# Denzil Ware (WDE/OLB), 6'3, 230# Eli Brown (weakside linebacker) 6'2, 245# Courtney Love (MLB), 6'5, 240# Josh Allen (strongside linebacker). The backups that you'll likely see are 6'3, 220# Kobie Walker (OLB, safety, nickel) 6'4, 240# De'Niro Laster (OLB, WDE), 6'2, 230# Jordan Jones (weakside linebacker), and 6'2, 242# Nico Firios (MLB).

On the defensive line, we don't have a ton of depth. Definitely our biggest concern, but it's not a small group, and there's some good athleticism along the front 3. Our starters will be 6'5, 300# Courtney Miggins (SDE). He's the pass rusher of those 3, really athletic guy, and according to the staff, he's absolutely our best lineman this year. Our nose-tackle is 6'7 350# Matt Elam. He actually played at 380 last season, but lost 30 pounds of fat (and the potbelly that he had) since spring, and has apparently lost another 10 pounds or so since the start of fall camp, so he may line up across from your center at a pretty lean 335 pounds. Finally is 6'3, 303# Adrian Middleton (DT). He's the new starter for our d-line. He and Matt Elam are run stoppers, but you shouldn't see much in the way of a pass rush from them, which I can live with in a 3-4 defense. The backups that you'll see for those guys are 6'5, 320# Tymere Dubose (NT, DT), who is a freak athlete and has a very athletic frame, especially for that size. 6'5, 260# Alvonte Bell (SDE, DT), and 6'5, 270# Kengera Daniel (SDE). There's no experience among the back-ups, only the starters have actual game experience, which is the primary concern for our defensive line.

In short, Southern Miss is probably going to struggle mightily against the Kentucky offense, which has a lot of elite playmakers in it, and a very strong, very deep interior offensive line. You all should score some points, but I think your passing game isn't going to be very effective considering your offensive coordinator, and our pass defense, which is likely going to be a strength. Ito Smith is going to need to have a huge game against a lot of bigger, faster athletes for Southern Miss to win this game, imo.

Would guess 38-17 Kentucky.
 

RV

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Ha. Shannon Dawson was the scapegoat for the frustrations of last season. We'll see how things go this season, but that's still the truth. Kentucky is a school constantly looking for the next scapegoat to explain their problems, until eventually it comes back to the head coach. Stoops may be able to recruit and has a football pedigree, but Ed Orgeron could also recruit like nobody's business and he was a failure as a HC at Ole Miss. So keep piling up blame on your scapegoats like Dawson. You know who we blamed for our bad stretch? A guy who took our program from 12-2 to 0-12 in a one year turnaround (Ellis Johnson). That has merit. The "Dawson situation" is just history repeating itself.

I bear no ill will for Southern Miss but I would invite you back at the end of the season to present your views on your shiny new OC.
 
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Crootin

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lol Bryo with maybe the most sane and welcoming post in the thread. Nice work bud.

We're not all full of hate and arrogance in here. :popcorn:
 

RV

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In all fairness Dawson didn't have a qb, offensive line or receivers. On the other hand he should have recognized that. What could he or any other OC do about that? Not very much...

If you actually think that then I'll be interested to hear your thoughts after pretty much those same kids you dissed light the scoreboard up like a pinball machine this year.
 

LordEgg_rivals16573

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Secondary is only as good as the Dline lets them be. No pressure on qb then the qb can wait for a receiver to get open.
 

RV

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...The backups that you'll see for those guys are 6'5, 320# Tymere Dubose (NT, DT), who is a freak athlete and has a very athletic frame, especially for that size. 6'5, 260# Alvonte Bell (SDE, DT), and 6'5, 270# Kengera Daniel (SDE). There's no experience among the back-ups, only the starters have actual game experience, which is the primary concern for our defensive line...

Good post but a slight correction. Both Dubose and Daniel have both seen game action. Daniel played in three games last year as a true Frosh and Dubose is a 3rd year Junior who played in four games last year until he was injured. Bell is a 4th year Junior that played Juco and sat out last year.
 

MusicEagle

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I welcome fans from other teams to come over and smack talk back and forth or just chat about the game. That said, I personally don't have a world of concerns for this game. It's the first game of the year, the players are excited to get onto the field and hit some guys in different uniforms, so I'm sure Southern Miss will absolutely get the respect that they're gunning for after last season.

All that said, the reasons I'm not concerned:

I know who your offensive coordinator is, a lot more than I'd like to know. He's as bad of a playcaller as I can remember. We got worse in many offensive categories, and he made our QB regress enormously with his whole "stand in the pocket, don't leave the pocket, hold the ball for 5 seconds and launch it downfield" offensive philosophy.

Maybe that offensive philosophy will work alright with Nick Mullens, and in C-USA, but it can't work in the SEC. Don't care if you have the Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas offensive line in front of you, when your QB is told that he shouldn't leave the pocket under any circumstances, and to hold the ball long enough for your receivers to go long on every play, you're going to get smashed by the pass rush.

Probably important to note that as it pertains to the game because Kentucky is going to be the 2nd most athletic and physical team that your team will see this season (behind LSU). To my understanding, the Southern Miss defense will struggle against the run in C-USA. That doesn't fare well against UK, who legitimately has one of the best backfields in the SEC overall. Think the problem that your team will face is mostly attributed to being undersized, and not quite as athletic as UK. Our receivers have an average height of nearly 4 inches above your CB's, our offensive linemen roughly outsize your defensive line by about an average of 50 pounds, and your linebackers are only between 215-230 pounds (230ish being the heaviest that I've seen). The physical comparison between the linebackers and the tight ends is pretty stark as well. From what I gather, your linebackers are about an average of 5'11-6'1, weighing between 215-230 as I've said. One of them will line up against CJ Conrad (One of our two Freshman All-Americans from last season), who is about 6'5, 250. Really versatile tight end.

On the flip side, Southern Miss has a pretty balanced offense in terms of weapons, but it lost its share of big contributors. Southern Miss isn't going to be able to run offense like Dawson did at UK last year and expect success though. Aside from the fact that the whole "Sit in the pocket for 5 seconds and launch it downfield" offensive scheme is just asinine, your team will probably struggle to get it downfield against our secondary (which is also supposed to be one of the best secondaries in the SEC), and this is all assuming that Dawson doesn't force Mullens to sit in the pocket long enough to get sacked.
We bring back 3 starters in our secondary who were true freshmen last year (and had the 28th best pass defense in the country, and closed out the season with the 3rd best pass defense in the nation in the final month). The secondary will have 6'4 Chris Westry, who is our other Freshman All-American. Then there's 6'3 Derrick Baity, our field corner and the technician of the group, and at safety is the best player on either side of the ball for UK, Mike Edwards.

We have a pretty young but talented linebacking corps, led by Courtney Love (not the one who killed Cobain). Reports are that they're coming along, and can generate a good pass rush (something that we lacked last season) for our 3-4 defense. Your team will likely see 6'3, 255# Denzil Ware (WDE/OLB), 6'3, 230# Eli Brown (weakside linebacker) 6'2, 245# Courtney Love (MLB), 6'5, 240# Josh Allen (strongside linebacker). The backups that you'll likely see are 6'3, 220# Kobie Walker (OLB, safety, nickel) 6'4, 240# De'Niro Laster (OLB, WDE), 6'2, 230# Jordan Jones (weakside linebacker), and 6'2, 242# Nico Firios (MLB).

On the defensive line, we don't have a ton of depth. Definitely our biggest concern, but it's not a small group, and there's some good athleticism along the front 3. Our starters will be 6'5, 300# Courtney Miggins (SDE). He's the pass rusher of those 3, really athletic guy, and according to the staff, he's absolutely our best lineman this year. Our nose-tackle is 6'7 350# Matt Elam. He actually played at 380 last season, but lost 30 pounds of fat (and the potbelly that he had) since spring, and has apparently lost another 10 pounds or so since the start of fall camp, so he may line up across from your center at a pretty lean 335 pounds. Finally is 6'3, 303# Adrian Middleton (DT). He's the new starter for our d-line. He and Matt Elam are run stoppers, but you shouldn't see much in the way of a pass rush from them, which I can live with in a 3-4 defense. The backups that you'll see for those guys are 6'5, 320# Tymere Dubose (NT, DT), who is a freak athlete and has a very athletic frame, especially for that size. 6'5, 260# Alvonte Bell (SDE, DT), and 6'5, 270# Kengera Daniel (SDE). There's no experience among the back-ups, only the starters have actual game experience, which is the primary concern for our defensive line.

In short, Southern Miss is probably going to struggle mightily against the Kentucky offense, which has a lot of elite playmakers in it, and a very strong, very deep interior offensive line. You all should score some points, but I think your passing game isn't going to be very effective considering your offensive coordinator, and our pass defense, which is likely going to be a strength. Ito Smith is going to need to have a huge game against a lot of bigger, faster athletes for Southern Miss to win this game, imo.

Would guess 38-17 Kentucky.
I think you have a near fair assessment and the comments on size are going to be true. I think like any fan, you are honing in on Kentucky's strengths while inflating USM's weaknesses. Although I think that Kentucky is due for a great year, USM is in position to have a great one as well. We have competed well and won games against teams much bigger than us in a similar way as Kentucky. The biggest thing is, is Kentucky conditioned to take advantage of that size to wear you down over the course of the game. I didn't see evidence of that when I've looked at Kentucky against Group of 5 teams the past few years, at least not to the extent that brings about winning by big margins. If you go back and watch the USM vs. Mississippi State game last year, we were outmatched physically but size isn't what won the battle. It was size AND depth/experience. MSU had both on their side. I'm not sure I would say the same this year against Kentucky. Size, definitely an advantage for Kentucky. But is the depth there? Last year, MS State could sub their entire D-Line and not miss a beat talent-wise. That shut Mullens (QB) and the run game down. Is that going to happen? It definitely could. But a whole lot more goes into it than SEC size. Teams that had depth caused us trouble last year for the most part. So I look forward to seeing how things pan out. I know it's considered an "upset" anytime a non-P5 beats an SEC team, but I really think this is poised to be a competitive and entertaining game.
 
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Ha. Shannon Dawson was the scapegoat for the frustrations of last season. We'll see how things go this season, but that's still the truth. Kentucky is a school constantly looking for the next scapegoat to explain their problems, until eventually it comes back to the head coach. Stoops may be able to recruit and has a football pedigree, but Ed Orgeron could also recruit like nobody's business and he was a failure as a HC at Ole Miss. So keep piling up blame on your scapegoats like Dawson. You know who we blamed for our bad stretch? A guy who took our program from 12-2 to 0-12 in a one year turnaround (Ellis Johnson). That has merit. The "Dawson situation" is just history repeating itself.
Shannon Dawson was the scapegoat for our garbage offense with playmakers across the board? Riiigghhhhhtttttt. No man. You didn't watch our games last year so you have no clue. The guy is pure trash. I was ready to cancel my season tickets had he returned. Day in and day out until the day he was fired I was here begging for him to be let go. Every single day on this board right here I was screaming that if he returns, that my season tickets of the last 10+ years will be cancelled. There wasn't a happier person on this board about his firing than I. The university didn't use him as a scapegoat. Fans like me knew how terrible he was. I really disliked the guy wayyy before his firing. Many on here would talk to me like I was an idiot for thinking he needed to be let go and many here still had faith in him for the sole fact stoops brought him in and nothing else. Not me though. I knew he was trash even though most on here wouldn't accept that cold truth because of the faith they have in stoops and every decision stoops makes.

Once he was let go then everyone here was like yea he sucks. But nope. Most of them still had faith in dawson. Id venture to say 98% of this board had faith in Dawson as I was here day in day out clamoring for his job. It was like me and one other person clamoring for his job while everyone else was saying we were idiots because they refused to believe stoops made a garbage decision. And once he was fired people started agreeing with me. Acting as if they knew the whole time he needed to be let go. It was hilarious quite honestly. But they obviously just had faith because stoops brought him in and they didn't lose faith in Dawson til he was fired. That's 98% of this board too. Just abunch of stoops apologists that think every decision he makes is golden til the truth comes out.

Many can recall that I was here day in and day out after every single game saying he was trash and needed to go. And I was listening to people talk about how dumb I was for thinking he needed to be let go. Now those same people who called me dumb for thinking he needed to be let go. All act as if they knew he needed to be let go the whole time even though those same people were saying I had no idea what I was talking about for thinking Dawson needed to go. But once he was fired everyone was like 'oh yea great decision stoops' even though those same people were saying I was an idiot for thinking Dawson needed to go. It
took til stoops fired him to actually believe me. Don't listen to those people. They have zero football IQ. They're just hardcore stoops apologists and nothing more.

You know his first D-1 play calling gig was at UK in the SEC? No coaches first play calling gig should ever be an SEC school. I had zero faith in the hire ever since he was hired. He had never called plays at the D-1 level before and now he's calling plays in the SEC? It was a trash idea to begin with. And I'm telling you brother. After every game Dawson was asked why he ran the ball on 3rd and long when we needed a first down or something along those line as far as trash play calling goes. I'm telling you plays that had absolutely no chance for success, and his response every time was 'had the play worked I'd look like a genius'. Those sound like the remarks of a pure loser. The guy was terrible. Day in and day out was waiting on his firing. And had Dawson returned I was canceling my season tickets purely based on the fact he's the worst OC I've ever seen call a play in the SEC. The guy is trash man. You don't know that yet. But you will. He's the most predictable OC at the D-1 level.
 
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Poetax

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The first paragraph is in response to post on this website. Sarcasm

Hopefully you are intelligent enough to know that you are on a University of Kentucky sports site? Where else would we talk about our opponents except if you are an idiot and go on the opponent's site to bash? I never understand why whiny opponent fans come on here with their diaper wet to complain about our posts when they are saying the same thing about us on their site. Do us a favor, grow up and go back to your daycare center.
 

Rhavic

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I think you have a near fair assessment and the comments on size are going to be true. I think like any fan, you are honing in on Kentucky's strengths while inflating USM's weaknesses. Although I think that Kentucky is due for a great year, USM is in position to have a great one as well. We have competed well and won games against teams much bigger than us in a similar way as Kentucky. The biggest thing is, is Kentucky conditioned to take advantage of that size to wear you down over the course of the game. I didn't see evidence of that when I've looked at Kentucky against Group of 5 teams the past few years, at least not to the extent that brings about winning by big margins. If you go back and watch the USM vs. Mississippi State game last year, we were outmatched physically but size isn't what won the battle. It was size AND depth/experience. MSU had both on their side. I'm not sure I would say the same this year against Kentucky. Size, definitely an advantage for Kentucky. But is the depth there? Last year, MS State could sub their entire D-Line and not miss a beat talent-wise. That shut Mullens (QB) and the run game down. Is that going to happen? It definitely could. But a whole lot more goes into it than SEC size. Teams that had depth caused us trouble last year for the most part. So I look forward to seeing how things pan out. I know it's considered an "upset" anytime a non-P5 beats an SEC team, but I really think this is poised to be a competitive and entertaining game.

Well, you'll get a fair share of size, depth, and experience. Our offense returns (literally) 99.1% of its receptions from last season, and we return all of our running backs, including Boom Williams, who is arguably a top 3-4 RB in the SEC (Leonard Fournette, Nick Chubb, and then either Boom Williams and Jalen Hurd, or vice versa). We're about 3 deep at the center and guard positions on the o-line, led by our center Jon Toth (best center in the SEC, arguably a top 3 center nationally).

Admittedly, Kentucky will not have the defensive line depth that Mississippi State had, but conversely, you'll see what should be a significantly more talented secondary than the one you seen from Mississippi State last season, which probably means that Kentucky will take its chances, load the box up, and apply a good amount of pressure on Mullens while slowing (or stopping) Ito Smith. In the first game of the season, depth should not be an issue. I would probably wager that Mississippi State won (in a game that was not very close to be honest) mostly due to having superior players and superior athletes. Physical attrition wares onto the smaller players who are inferior athletes much more than the other way around.

Conversely, does Southern Miss have the depth to physically hang against Kentucky on both sides of the ball? It does work both ways, and Kentucky does have the bigger, better athletes.

Finally, I feel that some of you Southern Miss fans overestimate Shannon Dawson's abilities. Believe me when I say this. I've seen him coach. I've seen him call plays. He's much better at the press conference than he is on the field. There have been numerous times that Stoops had to call him out post-game for some truly awful play-calls. Dawson genuinely made our offense, which was mostly true freshmen the year before, worse, and this is despite gaining a lot of SEC experience. The year before Dawson, we hung 36 on Florida. Last year? 9 points. 2014, we hung 36 points on what was then #1 nationally Mississippi State. Last year? 16 against an unranked Mississippi State.
His offensive focus is throwing it deep, and that's just not a realistic offensive philosophy to have. Your receivers aren't going to be able to line up against UK's DB's, and beat them one on one enough to put up big numbers. Your offensive line is not going to be able to consistently block for 4 or 5 seconds so Mullens can get the ball out to receivers. That's far too long, and it's not just against UK in that case. Anybody you play, it's far too long. When he tells your QB to not scramble, and just sit in the pocket, he's essentially making it that much harder for his offense to work out.
Be ready to have a long season of being behind the chains consistently. We've been there, we know how it is. Some of you may be skeptical because of the Kentucky brand in football, but we had a lot of elite playmakers with a lot of SEC experience last season, and he effectively made the entire offense worse despite that.
 

BigBlueCatNation

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We will beat Southern Miss the way many teams have. Southern Miss hay day was when they were getting pounder in a weak CUSA that actually had some mediocre teams. The current CUSA is no better than the Kentucky School for the Blind. Your facilities are trash as is your football team. The 15,000 fans you average is the reason no one has ever mentoned Southern Miss with expansion.

Hey now, Marshall is the class of that conference and they're a lot better than the Kentucky School for the Blind. They'll more than likely win their conference, beat Louisville and win their bowl game.