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Todd4State

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They put people in the police blotter section for not having an insurance card? Damn. Is that really warranted?

Anyway, I wonder what Phil did or didn't do in this case.
 

Maroon Eagle

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...I was wondering if there was a roadblock.

Maybe he was asked to show his drivers license and he initially refused??? I'm not saying that was the case, but it's something that makes some sense when seeing the other blotter reports.
 

Porkchop.sixpack

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instructions. Otherwise, there was absolutely no other infraction. Not speeding. Not anything.

That's ********. Hell, they ask you to step outside the car, and they have you for public drunkeness. If you don't step out of the car, they have you for failure to comply.

So, all of the sudden, it is illegal to ride around drunk the back seat of some sober driver's car. That's complete ********.
 

Shmuley

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which would explain some things, but your litany of facts regarding this 'incident' has some gaping holes in it. You've leaped to conclusions without laying the proper predicate. How did he get drunk in the back seat?
 

bonedaddy401

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some typical SPD bull ****. They operate like we live in 1960's Cuba. They get off on purposely harassing people. I am, however, happy that they are pretty strict on drunk drivers. The last thing any of us need is some drunk sum'***** plowing into us going 70 down University.
I wonder if KV will look into this for us. Phil you be so gangsta.
 

8dog

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to get points in the Fulmer Cup with "failure to comply" arrests. Let's think big guys--weed, burglary, pistol-whippings.
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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8Dog said:
to get points in the Fulmer Cup with "failure to comply" arrests. Let's think big guys--weed, burglary, pistol-whippings.

</p>I thought the Fulmer Cup only applied to football players. How about the "Huggins Cup"?
 

Porkchop.sixpack

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of a post. I don't know the circumstances of his arrest.

My point was -- at what point are you required to obey and officer and at what point are you not.

In the scenario I painted, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

What we do know is that the only thing listed there is a failure to comply with instructions and no other infraction. So, apparently, he wasn't doing a damn thing wrong, except that when an officer told him to do something, he didn't do it.
 

Maroon Eagle

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... so it's the "Huggins Burning Couch." So what is the college basketball equivalent of EDSBS?
 

Porkchop.sixpack

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he is not entirely off-base about cops in general. They tend to be very much about what offends their ego. If I had that job to do, I might would be the same - - which is one of the many things that lets me know I would be ill suited for that job.

However, smarting off to a cop is not a crime. I don't know that's what happened here. But, that is how ******** arrests, charges, etc. get started a lot of times. Someone having a smart mouth and directing it toward a cop. It's not a crime on the books, but it is a de facto crime.
 

Maroon Eagle

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...and it's not necessarily limited to obeying instructions from policemen.

For example, the college where I'm employed has in its student handbook a rule stating that students must follow instructions given by college employees who are performing their duties. Failure to follow instructions could mean fines at the very least, and, yes, I've fined students for not complying with my instructions in the past.</p>
 

Porkchop.sixpack

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congratulations. If that career in higher education ever fails, you probably can be a cop.

What sucks for Phil here is that apparently he wasn't doing anything else wrong. Or anything else illegal, I should say. It's a ******** charge.
 

cowbell9

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complied. What is the big deal? if you arent doing anything wrong, just follow instructions and you will be on your way. A little show of respect for our men in blue goes along way.
 

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Porkchop said:
So, apparently, he wasn't doing a damn thing wrong, except that when an officer told him to do something, he didn't do it.

so apparently he actually was doing something wrong...its just that you personally dont feel what he did wrong is a big deal. and thats cool to think, but in the end, he actually did do something wrong. hell, it was something illegal.

it may be a dumb thing in the end, a pretty minor offense, but its still illegal. ****, i stole a PapaJohn's sign off the top of a delivery car back in college and got busted for it. it was a pretty dumb thing to get busted for, but in the end, it is still illegal.

and if he was driving, he must comply with what they request...he kinda agreed to that when he got his DL. fine print and all.</p>
 

B The Toe

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Starkville is like anyother town, we have some great cops and some that need their ego stroked. Most of the time if you keep your mouth shut and do what they ask you want have any problems.
 

bonedaddy401

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the SPD. I think Starkville is very safe because of the work they do. All I am saying is that they can be overbearing at times. I guess when you look at it any police force will have officers that will abuse thier authority, but when the town/police force is as small as it is in Starkville things can and should be handled with a little more understanding.

A refusing to comply charge is a questionable charge if their was no other violation handed down. I am just speculating here, but it looks like the cop was wrong in whatever he assumed and Phil let him know about it. He then gave him the mentioned citation just to flex his ego a little bit. Again just speculation here. (Isn't that a staple of this site?)

I think the SPD is one of the better police forces in Mississippi considering all of the crap they have to put up with and I consider Starkville to be one of, if not the safest college town in the SEC because of it.

Hopefully all of this was an isolated incident that will not have any further repercussions down the line. If it comes out that Phil did something completely out of line I stand corrected but wouldn't that merit another charge?
 

patdog

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what happened that have fairly strong opinions on this. There are plenty of situations where a failure to comply arrest would be warranted, even if that was all the person did that was illegal. And there are plenty of situations where some cops will arrest someone on a ******** charge for no real reason. And until somebody can provide some details of what happend, none of us have a clue which it was.
 

Bulldog Backer

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When I was moving to Starkville, I had my truck loaded with stuff, and exited at the MS12 exit off of US82. I was tooling down 12 going past the Palmeiro Center, at the same speed as several other vehicles, when the blue bubblegum lights came on behind me. I pulled over just past the Comfort Suites, pulled out my registration, proof of insurance and driver's license. I had no idea why I was being stopped. I got out of my truck, and waited by the door, while the SPD officer did his license plate check. The officer came out of his car, and told me to get back in the truck, which I did. He then walked up to the window, and handed me a ticket. I asked him what I had done, and he said "you were clocked at 66 in a 45 zone." I then said, "but I was slowing to 45." He then said in a menacing voice, "are you arguing with me?" I said, "No, Sir, just explaining I wasn't familiar with the speed limit, because I am just moving here, and had slowed to the flow of the traffic." He then said, "I don't think you have the things in the back of your truck properly secured. Are you sure you want to argue with me? " I said, "No Sir." He then said, "I didn't think so. You have the choice to pay the ticket or go to court on the date at the bottom of the citation." He then walked back to his car #32.

In four decades of driving, I have never been treated so curtly or felt so threatened by police like I did that day. I later asked some local friends about this, and they said my experience was not unsual.
 

futaba.79

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is more than just "overbearing." Starkville ought to put "home of the roadblock" on its new signs. </p>
 

Shmuley

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search your truck. Those naked pictures of football recruits would have been difficult to explain.
 

heresjohny

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Don't know the details, but WJOX just said that Phil was served with court papers @ SEC Media Days.
 

bonedaddy401

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[b said:
patdog[/b]]There are plenty of situations where a failure to comply arrest would be warranted, even if that was all the person did that was illegal.

Such as?
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As far as your amazement over the speculation people are offering about this situation, I agree with you that its is just that.....speculation. But this is one of the only public forums that allows that kind of banter. Why not take advantage of it?
 

patdog

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where someone should be arrested for failure to comply with a police officer's order when they've committed no other offense? Just watch a few episodes of Cops. You'll see plenty.

One easy example. Cop is breaking up a fight. A friend of one of the participants tries to step in to "help" and is told repeatedly by the cop to step away. Friend keeps coming back to "help" and is eventually arrested for failure to comply. I'm not suggesting in any way that this is what happened in this case. Just that it (or something similar) is equally as plausible as the theory that the cop had an attidute and arrested him for no reason.
 

Eureka Dog

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with most of us today. We just don't want anyone telling us what to do. We want to bend the rules, and more often than not, break the rules, yet we get bent out of shape and indignant when someone calls us on it.

I may encounter Boss Hogg later today, but in 3 decades of driving all over the southeastern US, I've never found it necessary to sass a law enforcement officer when pulled over (even when I had done nothing wrong and I could tell that the policeman was "having a bad day").

I currently have 3 friends that are police officers and another that is the local county sheriff. After listening to their stories of how they are treated and what they have to put up with from the "law-abiding public", my respect for them continues to grow.

The law enforcement community has a number of people who get a kick out of wearing a badge and carrying a gun. Like most professions, there are jerks who work in law enforcement.

The best advice I've gotten in dealing with law enforcement: (1) Obey the officer (2) Tell the truth (3) Be very respectful (4) Be a MAN and take your medicine if you violated a traffic law, i.e. don't whine about it.

Oh, and on the "A Problem With Authority" theme... We all will have multiple levels of authority in our lives until the day we die, and then we have to answer to the ultimate authority. So, it benefits us all if we just get used to it. (Isn't it amazing how many guys with authority issues enlist in the military?)
 

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and I have no problems following rules. Its being treated like a 5 year old in the process of getting "reprimanded" that tends to infuriate me.

The best advice I've gotten in dealing with law enforcement: (1) Obey the officer (2) Tell the truth (3) Be very respectful (4) Be a MAN and take your medicine if you violated a traffic law, i.e. don't whine about it.
Couldn't agree more. Yet, it wouldn't kill officers that encounter citizens that clearly aren't belligerent to reciprocate these 4 suggestions.

Edit: Only suggestions 2 & 3.
 

bonedaddy401

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Patdog -
One easy example. Cop is breaking up a fight. A friend of one of the participants tries to step in to "help" and is told repeatedly by the cop to step away. Friend keeps coming back to "help" and is eventually arrested for failure to comply. I'm not suggesting in any way that this is what happened in this case. Just that it (or something similar) is equally as plausible as the theory that the cop had an attidute and arrested him for no reason.

If a friend was trying to step into a fight that would classify him to be charged with a multitude of other charges. Assault being the most obvious. He would also be helping his friend commit a crime which carries charges I'm sure. Try again.

I feel its a legitimate question. I am sure that there is a circumstance that it is applicable but your example is a terrible try at one. A buddy trying to engage in a fight carries its own charges. Period.

Maybe an officer asking a person to step out of the car and them refusing to do so during a traffic stop? It may apply in a situation like that but does that really warrant an arrest and criminal proceedings? Maybe. There are thousands of scenarios we could create but that wasn't my point. My point was that most of the time failure to comply is just the cops way of adding further insult to injury or justify his/her wasting of your time.

When someone is charged just with failure to comply and no other citations are issued most people would find that questionable. Hopefully Phil was a victim of this but he very well could have been totally in the wrong. For his sake I hope he wasn't.</p>
 
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