It seems like some officers are in training to be dentists... "If you don't floss, do you realize, blah, blah, blah"</p>
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as you make appropriate points. If I may add an additional layer in the same vein as you describe:
When you encounter a law enforcement officer in relationship to a potential citeable offense, you find yourself engaged with someone who has 2 things that they are able to dispense: (1) Justice (Judgment); or (2) Mercy. I have found that most of the time you have some control over which of these 2 outcomes you get based upon YOUR behavior and attitude. Most modern day Americans prefer to justify their behavior; "I wasn't doing anything wrong!" "I'm not a bad person!" "Why aren't you doing anything about all these other people who are violating the law?!?!" "You've got the wrong person!" "Hey, I know my rights!"
It is difficult for the modern day American and his/her refusal to acknowledge that they are actually accountable for their behavior to simply admit, "I was wrong. I have no excuse. Please forgive me." That's especially hard to do when you are completely helpless as to the response that you're going to get. And sometimes you still get justice instead of mercy. So, you got what you deserved. But many times, you get mercy that you don't deserve.
This is a great lesson in so many important situations in life.
When you encounter a law enforcement officer in relationship to a potential citeable offense, you find yourself engaged with someone who has 2 things that they are able to dispense: (1) Justice (Judgment); or (2) Mercy. I have found that most of the time you have some control over which of these 2 outcomes you get based upon YOUR behavior and attitude. Most modern day Americans prefer to justify their behavior; "I wasn't doing anything wrong!" "I'm not a bad person!" "Why aren't you doing anything about all these other people who are violating the law?!?!" "You've got the wrong person!" "Hey, I know my rights!"
It is difficult for the modern day American and his/her refusal to acknowledge that they are actually accountable for their behavior to simply admit, "I was wrong. I have no excuse. Please forgive me." That's especially hard to do when you are completely helpless as to the response that you're going to get. And sometimes you still get justice instead of mercy. So, you got what you deserved. But many times, you get mercy that you don't deserve.
This is a great lesson in so many important situations in life.
We should change our mascot to the MSU Road Blocks. The last 2 times I was in Starkville (the last month or so), I went thru a road block on Artesia Rd. For those not familiar, Artesia Rd. connects Oktoc Rd and Hwy 45. During the middle of the summer, late at night, SPD feels it necessary to set up a road block on a back road. And not once, but twice. Stupid and annoying as ****!</p>
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A more true point has never been posted. There has to be accountability from both parties involved in my opinion. Accountability is a noble trait that few posses these days.</p>
Laws are made by legislative bodies. They get public debate, etc. I am not supposed to drive drunk. That is a law passed by a leglislative body elected by the people. Now, the "obey the officer" law is also passed by a legilative body.
But, with the "obey the officer" law, you might as well tack on "or whatever the officer says" to the set of laws. It's like there is now a whole new set of laws, which are not defined in advance or debated by people I elect. They are decided at the moment by the particular cop issuing the rule. Get out of the car. Stand on your head. Bark like a dog. Say "sir" to me. Get your black *** out of my town. You get the picture. Whatever he says to do becomes law.
I'm sure there is some threshold of reasonableness that has to be reached here for the arrest to be made. But, damn.
I don't have a problem with authority created by people. I just don't like some non elected person out there -- a cop, a JUDGE, or anyone else essentially creating de facto law. That's supposed to be the difference in America. We don't have a militia roaming the streets enforcing their view of justice. We have laws created by the people, through their proxies -- elected officials.
You know, if I am speeding, and a cop pulls me over, fine. But, if I am not doing anything wrong and a cop pulls me over and asks me to step out of the car, I don't think I should have to worry about a charge or offending his fragile ego just to ask "why?"
But, with the "obey the officer" law, you might as well tack on "or whatever the officer says" to the set of laws. It's like there is now a whole new set of laws, which are not defined in advance or debated by people I elect. They are decided at the moment by the particular cop issuing the rule. Get out of the car. Stand on your head. Bark like a dog. Say "sir" to me. Get your black *** out of my town. You get the picture. Whatever he says to do becomes law.
I'm sure there is some threshold of reasonableness that has to be reached here for the arrest to be made. But, damn.
I don't have a problem with authority created by people. I just don't like some non elected person out there -- a cop, a JUDGE, or anyone else essentially creating de facto law. That's supposed to be the difference in America. We don't have a militia roaming the streets enforcing their view of justice. We have laws created by the people, through their proxies -- elected officials.
You know, if I am speeding, and a cop pulls me over, fine. But, if I am not doing anything wrong and a cop pulls me over and asks me to step out of the car, I don't think I should have to worry about a charge or offending his fragile ego just to ask "why?"
To be honest, if I am caught speeding, I am just going to admit I was speeding, and pay the ticket. I am not going to grovel. I am not going to get mad. I will probably even shoot the **** with the cop giving me the ticket. Bottom line is that if I do get stopped, I am interested in getting the ticket as quickly as possible and speeding on my way again.
I guess if he let me off, I would be pretty happy about that. But, I dont ask for it. And I don't expect it, either.</p>
I guess if he let me off, I would be pretty happy about that. But, I dont ask for it. And I don't expect it, either.</p>
sitting on a bench.? Or cops yelling and asking for ID's as guys walk out of a restaurant.? Then getting mad when they said no.? They have no authority to do that if you are doing nothing wrong.? Or when I saw one tell a guy they would tow his car if he didn't move it, tell him he didn't care that he'd been drinking, then give him a DUI when he got behind the wheel.
or this cop who I have met before
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or this cop who I have met before
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when I was at MSU, the ole "step out of the car" trick was a common play by the local cops.
You have 3 drunk guys riding in a car with one sober designated driver. The cop gives the sober driver a field sobriety test, body cavity search, and just about everything else he can think of and gets pissed that he is twarted in his pursuit of DUI citations. So, he then tries to get the drunks out of the car. If they step out of the car like the cop told them to then he issues a ticket for public drunkeness. In all fairness, I never heard of them pulling the "failure to comply" citation out of their bag if they didn't step out.
The cops would actually get ticked off about the driver and not being able to issue a DUI. I mean, hell, it seemed to me that the cop should say "Smart thinking guys. You guys have fun tonight, and make sure nobody drinks and drives." or something like that.
That one constant play on the part of the area cops made a very lasting impression on me about cops.
You have 3 drunk guys riding in a car with one sober designated driver. The cop gives the sober driver a field sobriety test, body cavity search, and just about everything else he can think of and gets pissed that he is twarted in his pursuit of DUI citations. So, he then tries to get the drunks out of the car. If they step out of the car like the cop told them to then he issues a ticket for public drunkeness. In all fairness, I never heard of them pulling the "failure to comply" citation out of their bag if they didn't step out.
The cops would actually get ticked off about the driver and not being able to issue a DUI. I mean, hell, it seemed to me that the cop should say "Smart thinking guys. You guys have fun tonight, and make sure nobody drinks and drives." or something like that.
That one constant play on the part of the area cops made a very lasting impression on me about cops.
I've lived in Starkville most of my life and I've had run-ins with the SPD, both good and bad. There's a fine line between the law itself and the power of being in a position of the law.
I've been pulled out of a parked car "into public" tater salad style after passing out in my back seat because I didn't want to drive home drunk. I had been asleep for nearly an hour and they took me to jail in my socks because they had busted up the house party I was at, that happened to be in my honor. My keys were inside the house, and no alcohol was in the car. I spent the night in jail looking like Don Johnson without shoes (Miami Vice-themed party) for choosing to do the right thing. That was a few years ago, and at that particular time, the SPD had just increased in numbers and a lot of new cops were out on the force. It was a typical case of rookie cops abusing their newly acquired privileges, and one of the cops later apologized, saying it was the others who pushed for taking as many people from the party to jail, including myself. The city made up for it though, as I got a full refund for the fine/bail and did not have to appear in court.
That was just one incident and one example of how cops in this town abuse their position of power. As I said before, I grew up in this town, and I know lots of good cops who are great men and do a fine job of upholding the law and protecting the citizens of this town. But there are cops who are complete pieces of ****. Granted, college kids are going to smart off, they're going to act out of line, and they're going to deserve to go to jail at times. But not all of the time. And that's where things get skewed. Too often I see cops around here looking to make arrests and provoke people into retaliation, not keep the peace. There are plenty of level-headed, respectful college kids who have no intentions of being indecent towards cops, but their perception of law enforcement in Starkville gets damaged by the few cops that make bad names for themselves, which basically gives the entire force a bad reputation as well.
I've been pulled out of a parked car "into public" tater salad style after passing out in my back seat because I didn't want to drive home drunk. I had been asleep for nearly an hour and they took me to jail in my socks because they had busted up the house party I was at, that happened to be in my honor. My keys were inside the house, and no alcohol was in the car. I spent the night in jail looking like Don Johnson without shoes (Miami Vice-themed party) for choosing to do the right thing. That was a few years ago, and at that particular time, the SPD had just increased in numbers and a lot of new cops were out on the force. It was a typical case of rookie cops abusing their newly acquired privileges, and one of the cops later apologized, saying it was the others who pushed for taking as many people from the party to jail, including myself. The city made up for it though, as I got a full refund for the fine/bail and did not have to appear in court.
That was just one incident and one example of how cops in this town abuse their position of power. As I said before, I grew up in this town, and I know lots of good cops who are great men and do a fine job of upholding the law and protecting the citizens of this town. But there are cops who are complete pieces of ****. Granted, college kids are going to smart off, they're going to act out of line, and they're going to deserve to go to jail at times. But not all of the time. And that's where things get skewed. Too often I see cops around here looking to make arrests and provoke people into retaliation, not keep the peace. There are plenty of level-headed, respectful college kids who have no intentions of being indecent towards cops, but their perception of law enforcement in Starkville gets damaged by the few cops that make bad names for themselves, which basically gives the entire force a bad reputation as well.
instead of being in a car. Not taken to jail, assuming of course you are on the sidewalk, etc. It got to the point where I really had a better chance of getting arrested walking to my hotel than driving. Which is the opposite of how it should be.
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who would have rolled over and took it in the *** from the British. The point isn't whether or not you were doing anything wrong. The point is that the police are not gods and they don't have the right to make people dance like puppets for their amusement. You have to give them your license and registration and if they think you are drinking you are supposed to submit to a breathalyzer test. Other than that you don't have to do **** a cop tells you to do unless not doing so interferes with them doing their duty in the act of helping a citizen.</p>
I'll show respect for the men in blue when they earn it by showing respect for the average citizen. So far in my life I haven't seen much that deserves my respect.
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is just arrogant jerks who just happen to be cops, who can use their position as a cop to be even a bigger arrogant jerk. I know several guys that work for the sherrif's department here. Most I went to high school with. Several of them were the biggest thugs and bullies back in school. Steroids, power trips ignorance all come into play a lot of times.</p>
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Dietric had the nerve to drive at night. Kids these days...
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Dietric had the nerve to drive at night. Kids these days...
http://media.www.reflector-online.com/media/storage/paper938/news/2007/03/23/News/Basketball.Player.Out.On.Bond.After.Arrest-2788719.shtml</p>
My point exactly. The feelings expressed here are wide spread throughout the student body and I assume Starkville residents.
By the way, sounds like a hell of a Miami Vice party. You needed Tubbs there to have your back.</p>
By the way, sounds like a hell of a Miami Vice party. You needed Tubbs there to have your back.</p>
.. in control of the situation. Too many have been shot by someone inside the car. If I were a cop and a passenger in a car was acting agitated, I would put said person under control. For MY safety. they have every right to do so. You ought to go on a ride along one Fri/Sat night and see the ********/scum these guys have to deal with. I dont blame them one bit for protecting themselves. If it means I have to get my lazy *** out of a car for a few minutes....so be it. I need the excersise.
...a bunch of us had gone out to Oktibbeha Lake on a Thursday night, and left an extra car parked at that gas station across from the Bulldog Deli. On the way back, the driver and I were both in the front seat, and neither of us had anything to drink that night. When we pulled back into the gas station to get the other car, which I was going to drive back to our apartment, this Starkville PD guy blue-lighted us, and started this exact schtick.Porkchop said:
He asked the driver how many he'd had. The driver said "None." The cop snickered and said "Yeah, right." The driver stood his ground, refused to get out of the car, and nobody else would get out of the car either until the cop left. It was definitely a sour taste in everyone's mouth. Nobody had broken any laws, everyone was of age, and the cop was just hassling us to hassle us. It was pretty ******.
And it was actually a pretty funny scene going on in the booking room while we took our mug shots. I did the whole tater salad bit, which the cops actually laughed at. But they proceeded with the arrests and took us down to the county jail, where we traded our Vice costumes for orange jumpsuits, one of which that had a tear in the back and "I heart Blue" written on the pants leg. All I remember after that was a cop asking us if we wanted corn flakes at 9 in the morning, but I had too much of a headache to even reply. I guess there was some decency after all. It's a nice story, but still a prime example of poor law enforcement.
be safe and cautious without being a cock. I know, I've seen some Police officers do it and I respect that. Our current system for recruiting and training cops looks for people with a deep propensity to be a prick and then trains them on how to bring that personality to the surface. I'm not saying the job isn't dangerous and there aren't reasons to be cautious. But, far too often cops are the ones breaking the laws or ignoring them because they feel above it. That's just wrong, they should set the example not be the ******* screaming down the road at 100 MPH weaving between cars with no lights on.
You can play the protection card all you want but it's not going to stick here. I have never once done anything illegal (aside from stupid kid stuff and speeding) and yet my gut feeling whenever a police officer is around is , "oh ****, wtf now?" Police are supposed to protect and serve, instead they are ego maniacal dickheads who think their job is to treat everyone like ****. There are some good cops, and I applaud them greatly, but unfortunately they are few and far between.
You can play the protection card all you want but it's not going to stick here. I have never once done anything illegal (aside from stupid kid stuff and speeding) and yet my gut feeling whenever a police officer is around is , "oh ****, wtf now?" Police are supposed to protect and serve, instead they are ego maniacal dickheads who think their job is to treat everyone like ****. There are some good cops, and I applaud them greatly, but unfortunately they are few and far between.
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=136&f=1570&t=2713402
i stole this and tossed it up on Scout last night.
there is a pretty funny response that is an even better rant than most of the ones in this thread.
i stole this and tossed it up on Scout last night.
there is a pretty funny response that is an even better rant than most of the ones in this thread.
...because what I've noticed about some college students is that they have a tendency to believe that since they're not in high school anymore, they're allowed to have not only more freedom and, as a consequence, be more disruptive; however, they do not have the right to be disruptive elements in classes, libraries, computer labs, or dorms-- just to give a few examples. That doesn't mean, of course, that I'd fine the students if they didn't follow my instructions the first time. I would make them aware that I can fine them if they don't follow my instructions, and if they choose to test me, well, they get fined. </p>
...because you act like a 5 y. o. Police officers don't know when they leave the house that they'll be coming back. We just had an officer shot down here in Jackson by a couple of guys who probably "were treated like 5 year olds". They have one of the toughest jobs in the world...they have to know when to use violence and when to step back and try to reason with someone. Even with the Rules of engagement and the anti-war peace pansies who loathe them, the military gets to kill people and break things whent he occasional arises. The Police officer has to justify EVERY bullet that comes out of his barrel.
the only time I ever got close to being mistreated was by a police officer in Golden Meadow, LA after I was going 64 in a 45 m.p.h. zone (a new 4-lane Hwy. of all things). He got all mad at me after I asked if I could pay the ticket in traveler's checks. Aside from that, police officers have always been polite and helpful if you don't cop an attitude like some little *****.</p>
At least Bulldog Backer isn't being hypocritical about his police experiences...he's a left-wing, flag-burning, limp-wristed, bedwetting, twinkletoed, rubber-backed, bulldyke-fearing Leftie whether the police arrest one of the players or not.</p>
the only time I ever got close to being mistreated was by a police officer in Golden Meadow, LA after I was going 64 in a 45 m.p.h. zone (a new 4-lane Hwy. of all things). He got all mad at me after I asked if I could pay the ticket in traveler's checks. Aside from that, police officers have always been polite and helpful if you don't cop an attitude like some little *****.</p>
At least Bulldog Backer isn't being hypocritical about his police experiences...he's a left-wing, flag-burning, limp-wristed, bedwetting, twinkletoed, rubber-backed, bulldyke-fearing Leftie whether the police arrest one of the players or not.</p>
it was in STARKVILLE and it was in the middle of %*#$%+% NOWHERE in the middle of night. How smart is that, Einstein?
you and I get from the SPD is a helluva lot different from what the 18-21 yr old with a Madison Co or, God forbid, out of state tag gets. Heaven help the frat boy with the really nice car.
I get along fine with Starkville's police officers, especially those that have been here a while. On the few occassions I've called upon them or had encounters with them, it's usually gone well (I do hate the roadblocks though). Unfortunately, it's a different story for the students and you know that's the truth. </p>
I get along fine with Starkville's police officers, especially those that have been here a while. On the few occassions I've called upon them or had encounters with them, it's usually gone well (I do hate the roadblocks though). Unfortunately, it's a different story for the students and you know that's the truth. </p>
I don't call policemen "cops" because I saw an episode of "Law and Order" where the detectives got all pissed after a college student called them "cops".
As to all the poor college students getting "hassled" by the police, they should be lucky they don't skulls cracked with a billy-club after what happened last year in Oxford, when some punk-assed kid killed a policeman by dragging him some 500 yards. After that, I wouldn't be surprised if they maced anyone who even looked at them cross-eyed in Oxford, or Starkville for that matter.</p>
As to all the poor college students getting "hassled" by the police, they should be lucky they don't skulls cracked with a billy-club after what happened last year in Oxford, when some punk-assed kid killed a policeman by dragging him some 500 yards. After that, I wouldn't be surprised if they maced anyone who even looked at them cross-eyed in Oxford, or Starkville for that matter.</p>
All college students should be harassed by police officers because this idiot did something tragic? By your logic all home owners should be subjected to random searches because "some" meth producers do it in houses (and who knows, everyone could be making meth because a few people are doing it).
Thats a good rule of thumb. Was it Ice-T that was upset?
<a>...I wouldn't blame the Oxford City Police and the Campus Law Enforcement wading through the Grove and the Frathouses swinging billyclubs, shooting rubber bullets, and chunking teargas.</a>
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