Specifically how is Wisconsin better than FF last year?

point1zerorock

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I plan to watch my DVR recording of the FF game vs UK last year. Are they doing much different or are they just more experienced by another year? Are there new key contributors vs last season? I've watched them some this year, but not a whole game. Thanks.
 

STEVEGRO50

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They are pretty much the same as last year. Except they have a year more experience. But what they also have is the revenge factor. That could play a roll here also.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Revenge factor? That may work in evenly matched teams. Wisconsin, I pray, will get to chase their revenge against WCS this time. They are what they were. We are vastly improved. Even if they manage to stay close through 30 minutes, they will collapse in the end.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Do you guys honestly believe that great teams that play together for another full year don't improve in terms of experience, discipline, and congruence?


If so, that idea runs contrary to virtually every form of logic ever prescribed to human understanding.
 
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Not sure about them, but on our side we've essentially trade Alex, Randle and Young for Townes, Willie, Lyles, Booker and Ulis. Kaminski is the key to that team, and if Dakari and Marcus could contain him, I feel pretty good about those two plus Wiilie plus KAT.

Of course, all that is on paper. A similar analysis would've said that Ole Miss, as one example, had no shot against us....
 

UKWildcats#8

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Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Do you guys honestly believe that great teams that play together for another full year don't improve in terms of experience, discipline, and congruence?


If so, that idea runs contrary to virtually every form of logic ever prescribed to human understanding.
They havent though as Jackson has been out half the season now.

I'm curious to see how throwing another guy randomly back in the rotation affects them in the NCAA Tourney. Same with UVA, but not quite as bad time wise obviously.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Originally posted by UKWildcats#8:


They havent though as Jackson has been out half the season now.

I'm curious to see how throwing another guy randomly back in the rotation affects them in the NCAA Tourney. Same with UVA, but not quite as bad time wise obviously.
Depends on how they use him. I'd suspect Ryan starts by bringing him off the bench, instead of the Coach K strategy where he started Kyrie Irving almost immediately after his return in 2011.


That said, the overall point is that a potential 31-3 Wisconsin team should not be a #2 seed in Kentucky's region.
 

tmuck

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Because Nigel Hayes and Bronson Koenig are alot better this year as Sophomores. Plus they have

everybody back from last year.
 

fla.cat

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Let Kimenski get about 20 points...I'll,b surprised if he does, unless it's after the game is really decided. I can't see him blistering Towns, Willie, Lyles, lee, and Dakari.
Our guards can contain theirs...their other front court players are good...not great or aggressive...trey will light him up.
We are considerably better this year...with all sorts of options of scoring( which we really didn't have last year). and we play some very good defense too.
 

ukfan03

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UK is better at every position on the floor. The Cats also have a better bench and coach. I'm no more worried about Wisconsin than any other team when you get that deep in the tournament. Wisconsin can get hot from outside but a lot of teams can do that at this level of ball. One game at a time.
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tbone.ky

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Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Do you guys honestly believe that great teams that play together for another full year don't improve in terms of experience, discipline, and congruence?

Agree. I think some on here misinterpret "fear" rather than respect for an opponent. They are one of a handful of teams that we are likely going to have to face to win the title. I think the logical concern for fans (and many in the media) is that it's unfair to both teams to place them in the same region. Both are legit contenders for a national title. Both deserve the opportunity to advance to the Final Four before running into one another.

Villanova and Gonzaga pose that difficult dilemma of pairing the #1 and #2 seeds fairly and logically instead of geographical.

This post was edited on 3/8 6:57 PM by tbone.ky
 

mebeblue2

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Originally posted by tmuck:
Because Nigel Hayes and Bronson Koenig are alot better this year as Sophomores. Plus they have

everybody back from last year.
i think the only one they lost was their all time 3 point shooter
 

UKWildcats#8

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Originally posted by tmuck:
Because Nigel Hayes and Bronson Koenig are alot better this year as Sophomores. Plus they have

everybody back from last year.
That's not true. Their best perimeter player is gone. He canned 96 three's last year. They have no one even close to that this year. They do have your typical Wisconsin 3 point options, but nothing like that.

So to say everyone is back is 100% inaccurate. They also have had their key PG out for half the season and chemistry WILL be an issue when he gets back.

I'll take your Hayes and Koenig and raise you a Junior WCS, Soph Aaron Harrison and Andrew Harrison, as well as the two guys that owned Kaminsky in DJ and Lee. Plus, 4 stud frosh that we have.
 

qwesley

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They have the type of mobile bigs that can draw our shot blockers outside but they don't have the drivers to really take advantage of that.
 

jes95407

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Already tired of hearing about Wisconsin. According to some fans, you'd think they were the Lakers or something...last I checked, who was 31-0 again?? Only a couple teams have even challenged the Cats this year and Wisconsin is not "built" like any of those teams.
 

brianpoe

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Originally posted by tbone.ky:

Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Do you guys honestly believe that great teams that play together for another full year don't improve in terms of experience, discipline, and congruence?

Agree. I think some on here misinterpret "fear" rather than respect for an opponent. They are one of a handful of teams that we are likely going to have to face to win the title. I think the logical concern for fans (and many in the media) is that it's unfair to both teams to place them in the same region. Both are legit contenders for a national title. Both deserve the opportunity to advance to the Final Four before running into one another.

Villanova and Gonzaga pose that difficult dilemma of pairing the #1 and #2 seeds fairly and logically instead of geographical.

This post was edited on 3/8 6:57 PM by tbone.ky

I don't disagree with the general premise of your statement, but when some want to move to a further region to avoid one team that is a bit more than respect to me. Could be wrong though.
 

wild mandu

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Originally posted by brianpoe:

I don't disagree with the general premise of your statement, but when some want to move to a further region to avoid one team that is a bit more than respect to me. Could be wrong though.
Which would you prefer? Even forgetting how well our fans travel, would you rather play Wisconsin in Cleveland or Gonzaga in Houston?

You can call that "fear" if you like, I call it sanity.
 
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Originally posted by Huma1894:
They now have the #1 offense, according to Kenpom, and no one else is close.
Wisconsin is 123.2. Duke is 122.9. Notre Dame and Villanova are less than two points behind Wisconsin. Nice try though.
 

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Can you imagine how Wisconsin feels about being the 2 seed in our bracket? Go Cats!!
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Originally posted by wild mandu:

Which would you prefer? Even forgetting how well our fans travel, would you rather play Wisconsin in Cleveland or Gonzaga in Houston?

You can call that "fear" if you like, I call it sanity.
Your post exhibits the bottom line for me. I want the easiest opponent pre-Final Four.


The location is irrelevant given how Kentucky fans travel.
 

bvmcmanus

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Nigel Hayes is probably the most improved player in big 10. I think Jackson is big for them against us. He is best penetrator, and can hurt us on the dribble. Koening is a better player, but he settles for the jumper way more.
 

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Originally posted by Son_Of_Saul:

Do you guys honestly believe that great teams that play together for another full year don't improve in terms of experience, discipline, and congruence?


If so, that idea runs contrary to virtually every form of logic ever prescribed to human understanding.

Exactly, yet everyone on here acts like they are awful and no match for us. Love how we try and jinx ourselves. We act like no one stands a chance against us and what is that a recipe for? That team kicking our ***. Wiscy is damn good. They absolutely can beat us.
 

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They have not looked as good to me this year as they did last year , I did not think we had much of a chance against them last year.
 

pharm727

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No one is saying we can't beat Wisconsin, but if things are done fair and the S curve is used our 2 sead should be Kansas or Gonzaga.
For once I want to be treated fairly by the selection committee!

We are the overall #1 sead and should have the easiest path to the final four, not the hardest!
 

pharm727

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No one is saying we can't beat Wisconsin, but if things are done fair and the S curve is used our 2 sead should be Kansas or Gonzaga.
For once I want to be treated fairly by the selection committee!

We are the overall #1 sead and should have the easiest path to the final four, not the hardest!
 

hotelblue

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dekker and kaminsky are better overall players this year. but again no jackson. i think we're better across the board compared to what they saw last year. especially defensively which is the real thing here. they're not scoring 70 on this kentucky team.
 
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Originally posted by tmuck:
Because Nigel Hayes and Bronson Koenig are alot better this year as Sophomores. Plus they have

everybody back from last year.
Not their best 3 pt shooter last year. They are basically average from 3, as we are.
 

musrat59

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Our defense is head and shoulders better than it was last year and with the extra year of experience and having Willie available for the tournament, I like our chances if we play Wisconsin.
 

KYBallCoach

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A big loss for Wisconsin is guard Ben Brust (I think that is the spelling of his last name) from last year. He had 15 points in the game that we played against them last year and he was a starter
 

point1zerorock

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Watched the 2014 game again last night and first, wow what a great game. Second, we are sooo much better now than we were last year. Especially defensively. This everyone knows, but to really appreciate it, those that have the game should rewatch.
 

brianpoe

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In the last game we had both Polson and Hawkins in the game, while Dakari and Lee were both on the bench, for the last few minutes of the first half.


We basically trade the following this year:

Towns - Randle
WCS - Poythress
Booker - Young
Ulis - Polson