Spoiler question

[Bulldog from Birth]

Can we make a gentle men's agreement to tie Germany? We both advance with a tie right?? And risk missing out if we lose. What am I missing?

 

[121Josey]

Germans**

 

[Shamoan]

Germany are tacticians and will shred us. playing for a draw is not their style and they are fully capable of drubbing us and will need to make sure their machine is finely tuned going into the knockout stage. think the same or similar result when germany played england in the 2010 world cup.....Final: deutschland 4 england 1....with the famous disallowed goal that would have equalized the game at 2-2. i expect them to do what germany does in world cups....roll.

 

[121Josey]

They aren't worried about being finely tuned. They're worried about keeping their players fresh for the knockout stage 4 days later. They have the tie breakers.

 

[Shamoan]

germans not worried about being finely tuned? you havent met many germans have you? now, they may in fact play for a draw and a big part of what they want to do is keep healthy but that is what everyone wants to do. either way, we will find out soon enough.

 

[121Josey]

And how many Germans do you know?

germans not worried about being finely tuned? you havent met many germans have you? now, they may in fact play for a draw and a big part of what they want to do is keep healthy but that is what everyone wants to do. either way, we will find out soon enough.

I've only studied in Germany for 8 months. So, I probably don't know as many of you.** Germans are also efficient. So, they want to do just as much as it takes to win the group.

Since you reference 2010, their group stage scores were 4-0, 0-1, 1-0. 2014: 4-0, 2-2, (finely tuned**)

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Klinsman and Low are very good friends. I would not be surprised at all to see a non competitive tie, and the US play Belgium in the next round, The European media will claim controversy, but we will move on while those limey bastards will be sitting at home, again....

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

The Germans like to dance:

 

[MSUDC11]

Jones and Beckerman have been solid for us, but we have no chance to even draw unless Bradley is much better.

Khedira, Kroos, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Ozil. They have so many midfielders that can just destroy us, and we need Bradley to step up big time if we want this to be a close game.

The good news is that I doubt we see any kind of all-out attack like we've seen the last two games. They don't need a win, so I expect them to sit back and let us try to make mistakes.

We could be in store for a very boring 0-0 draw. And I would absolutely love that.

 

[Shamoan]

i know a quite a few and have visited germany and the rest of europe several times for varying lengths of time most recently munich, heidelburg, frankfurt, nurnberg, cologne, and stuttgart among others. i agree that they are efficient. so what does one do in studying in germany for a whole 8 months other than immersing oneself in their culture as you have clearly done.**

in that 2010, that looks like an improvement, as this team is finely tuned, so thanks for proving my point.

 

[Shamoan]

also, i have spent 9 months in germany studying german soccer strategy in a course taught by joachim low (btw, the class was called "how to be finely tuned as america sleeps"), speak fluent german, regularly attend octoberfest, wear lederhosen while i brush my teeth, and my great grandfather was a fellow by the name of adolf hitler....you might have heard of him...my great grandmother never got over the fact that he was austrian filth**

 

[121Josey]

in that 2010, that looks like an improvement, as this team is finely tuned, so thanks for proving my point.

Are you drunk? I can't understand this sentence or your affection for Hitler references.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

^name dropper

 

[aTotal360]

Germans brush their teeth?

 

[patdog]

I think it would have more to do with both teams only needing a draw than the coaches being good friends. This is the World Cup. All Klinsmann cares about is getting the USA to the next round and all Low cares about is getting Germany through.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I agree. I was just saying that the coaches being friends may kind of help that result become a reality. Also, if Portugal beats Ghana by less then 5 then it really wont matter anyway. Go Portugal

 

[Shamoan]

THIS team is tactical. the 2010 team lost game 2 and took a draw game 2 this year. that is an improvement, not something that is evidence how they are not finely tuned or declining. as for the hitler reference, if you cant detect the obvious attempt at humor, i cant help you there....or maybe its all true. ill let you decide.

 

[121Josey]

You're the one that brought up the 2010 German team. You said that the US game will be a replay of 2010 Germany-England.
I argued that the Germans are just looking to get out of group stage. You said that it's a tune-up.
I bring back the 2010 German team to say that they play to advance not to tune up. You say that "THIS team is tactical", which doesn't mean **** because they haven't done anything the 2010 hasn't done. "THIS team" may surprise me but the 2010 team destroyed England (4-1) and then embarassed Argentina (4-0). Then they lost a tough game to the eventual champs. We'll see on Thursday.

I knew you were joking about knowing anything about Germany when you couldn't even correctly spell Oktoberfest.

 

[Shamoan]

i brought up a single GAME as a representation of how i beleive the us game will play out. it is primarily a comparison of talent and what i think will take place. these are two totally different situations, this team has played two and not lost...the 2010 team cant say that.

as i said from the beginning, we will find out soon who is right. i think germany can win easily and will put some pressure on for an early goal. i also believe they will play conservatively after an early goal, but they have the ability to make it ugly. i have been to germany as stated, but spelling in a foreign tongue has never been my strong suit....hell, i cant even spell in my native tongue, but i will award you that point. im kinda disappointed a germanophile like yourself didnt pick up on it the first time.

clearly, you have argued that the germans just want to get by. jurgen klinsmann said that germany will be playing to win tomorrow as the whole goal is winning group stage. im sure you are far more soccer knowledgeable and germany knowledgeable than he.

 

[121Josey]

clearly, you have argued that the germans just want to get by. jurgen klinsmann said that germany will be playing to win tomorrow as the whole goal is winning group stage. im sure you are far more soccer knowledgeable and germany knowledgeable than he.

You mean that same soccer coach who said that there's preferential treatment for the Germans because they don't have to travel as far. Yeah, I'm not as smart as the coach with the conspiracy theory about the bracket that was designed before the draw.

I sure didn't expect the coach to say that he expects Germany to play to lose on Thursday.

I also don't believe everything a coach says to the public. You shouldn't either.

I had hoped that you would be more knowledgable about this form of football than the American form of football. I was wrong again.

 

[Shamoan]

Jurgen Klinsmann was a fiery competitor in his playing days and there's no indication that has changed in transitioning to his role as manager of the U.S. Men's National team. Minutes after a disappointing tie with Portugal, the 49-year-old bristled at the idea his team would agree to a tie with Germany in advance of their game on Thursday.

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The idea of a prearranged tie dominated much discussion on social media Sunday night, likely spawned from the Klinsmann's connection to Germany. He quickly put the idea to rest:
"Klinsmann said US would not agree to tie Germany even if it was offered, would go against teams personality/legacy."

dont shoot the messenger, but i think yall are barking up the wrong tree in this discussion of a draw business. it may very well end up as a draw, but i think both are playing for the win. we are at the mercy of germany, but i dont think that is their style. i think klinsmann agrees, but that could be coach speak.

http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2014/6/22/5833264/jurgen-klinsmann-usa-germany-arranged-tie

 

[FlotownDawg]

It's not like both teams are going to shake hands before the game

and say, "OK, we'll just kick the ball around aimlessly for 90 minutes and draw 0-0." Germany and Austria basically did that in the 1982 World Cup to ensure both of them would go through and they were crucified for it. However, I expect both teams to play a very defensive game. Germany knows it will win the group with a draw and we'll be happy going through in second place with a draw. Neither team needs to score a goal, they just don't need to give up a goal. I don't think either team will attack much to avoid leaving themselves vulnerable to a counter attack goal. Unless there is a major defensive error (hello Geoff Cameron) this game has a pretty decent chance of ending up 0-0.

 

[Philly Dawg]

Khedira and Ozil are not in good form, and Lahm had a bad giveaway against Ghana. They have the advantage in the midfield, but its not as pronounced as it might be. Bradley does need to play a little better; I'm not sure he's really used to playing as an AM rather than a pure CM.

I've always felt that Beckerman could cut it, even in the face of so many negative opinions of him. But Jones has been a relevation to me. I'd always thought he had a horrible first touch and fouled too much. But he's been excellent.

 

[patdog]

The bracket was designed before the draw, but Team G1 was designated as the seeded team from the group and they have gotten a little more favorable schedule. So Klinsmann's point about the schedule being designed to protect the favorites isn't as off base as you make it sound.

 

[Shamoan]

so, your position is that this is nothing more than coach speak and that the draw is a foregone conclusion? well, we will soon find out.

resorting to character assassination is an iffy tactic in a debate, but pulling off two in the same post is quite impressive.