Spotify and Joe Rogan

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And sales of Carhartt and Yeti went through the roof as a counter protest. Kind of proves the point, doesn't it? Neil Young didn't do this because he thought Spotify was about to remove a dude they just paid 100 million for. I don't know him well enough to believe he's educated enough on this topic to even understand what he's complaining about.

Hell, if what I read before is correct, he was reluctant to go to Spotify to begin with. Looks like he was just looking for a bone to pick. Either way, his intention is to get bigger fish on board so it affects Spotify's bottom line (which it temporarily did) and forced them to come out with their advisory label ********. People know what to expect with Joe Rogan and his podcast. It's all over the place. Dude is clearly not what everyone thinks he is.

None of this is an issue unless actual big name artists start to remove their stuff from Spotify. And, given how they seem to pay less than nearly every other streaming service but are somehow the largest streaming service, it might be in the artists interest to do so anyway.
Young sold the rights to his music years ago. He doesn't have controlling interest in what is done with his music. He sold out.... again.
 

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If he sold out, how is he capable of managing who has access to his music?

Not defending the guy, just don't understand the take. If I bought something from you, I wouldn't just let you say what I can or can't do with it, unless the people he sold it to saw the profitability of such a move. Wouldn't surprise me with the way modern corporations work. Anything to rile up the masses.
 

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If he sold out, how is he capable of managing who has access to his music?

Not defending the guy, just don't understand the take. If I bought something from you, I wouldn't just let you say what I can or can't do with it, unless the people he sold it to saw the profitability of such a move. Wouldn't surprise me with the way modern corporations work. Anything to rile up the masses.
Because he's a burnt out hippie. He didn't remember he sold the rights. Spotify took it off out of kindness. The co that bought the rights could of pushed for it but Neil couldn't of done **** because this is actually the 2nd time he's wanted his music pulled from Spotify but they told him to tamp salt the first time.

You do know that if you sell the rights to your music you lose the rights to that music right?
 

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Because he's a burnt out hippie. He didn't remember he sold the rights. Spotify took it off out of kindness. The co that bought the rights could of pushed for it but Neil couldn't of done **** because this is actually the 2nd time he's wanted his music pulled from Spotify but they told him to tamp salt the first time.

You do know that if you sell the rights to your music you lose the rights to that music right?

That is not necessarily true. It depends on what exactly Young sold (masters? publishing? etc.) and also whether he contractually retained any rights or say in distribution.

BTW, Neil Young is not just some "burnt out hippie". He's one of the more significant rock/musical artists of the last half century. His culture importance is much higher than Rogan or any current opinion "influencer". As I said earlier in this thread, people will be listening to his music long after Rogan is forgotten.
 

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There are now 5 'artists' who want their music taken down: Neil Young, Indie Arie, Nils Lofgren, Graham Nash and Joni Mitchell.

First, my suspicion is that the royalties all of these 'artists' make from Spotify don't amount to much so they're not really giving up all that much. FWIW, Young sold his catalog so he has no say so over whether Spotify takes his music down or not.
Second, I have over 800 songs on my Liked Songs on Spotify and none of the above show up at all. Can't imagine any of the above are on heavy play with a majority of Spotify listeners who tend to be younger than I am.
Third, Nils Lofgren? Really? Besides playing in the E Street Band, would anyone be able to name one of HIS songs? If his royalties are more than $1000 per year I'd be surprised. They couldn't find more invisible artists to boycott Spotify? Hell, taking his music down might cost Spotify a nickel.

I don't follow Joe Rogan and I didn't listen to the podcast(s) in question but I have heard of the doctors he interviewed, both of whom have very impressive credentials. Are they right? Hell, who knows at this point? But, shouldn't intelligent, credentialed individuals be given the right to express their opinion, especially since it's being presented as just that - their opinion? I find it curious that 60s generation celebrities are okay with censorship.

If Young doesn't want his music on Spotify, then fine, take it down. But to try to strong arm some company into censorship just seems wrong on a lot of levels.

If I've learned anything in 58+ years (and that's debatable, of course), it's when an individual or entity will not even listen to opposing views that I suspect that individual is blatantly wrong and knows it or is just plain ignorant and doesn't want to admit it.
Decent points but the fact that none of the artists are in your playlist is blatantly irrelevant. What does that have to do with anything. That’s just musical taste and nothing else. Spotify probably has one of the widest ranges of subscribers out there.
 

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Follow the money...Spotify is partially owned by Blackrock. Blackrock controls 10% of the worlds wealth. I thinks it's something like 9 Trillion dollars with investments in tens of thousands of companies. They could twist any companies arm in a thousand different ways to make them squeal like a pig. Guess who has had guests on critical of Larry Fink and Blackrock....Joe Rogan.
I believe Blackrock also bought Neil Youngs music catalog.
 
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Neil Young built a career persona on opposing authoritarianism, then sold out at the end and became one himself. Joe Rogan simply questioned the government, which is always a good thing to do. ALWAYS! When you face censorship for doing it, something is seriously wrong.

The left doesn't want people thinking for themselves. Opposing views are increasingly being censored on social media and near non-existent in the 90+% of the MSM they control and use to control the narrative and spew leftist propaganda. Any information channel that questions their ideology is a threat and must be destroyed. The ideology can't stand on it's own merits.

NY is catering to modern leftists and following their playbook. Many of them have never heard of him and most of those who have are ignorant and still think he's some kind of liberal hero. I don't know how much he'll gain from this stunt, but if he's going to have any relevance with the modern left, it's exactly the thing to do.
 

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When a bunch of elitist lefties feel the need to shut down someone who encourages others on a large scale to think for themselves something ain’t right. Fear of dissent during the Omicron variant does not make much sense. Lefties like to belittle and shame dissent. It’s not clever, but is predictable.
 
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If they pull Joe Rogan, who I don't even listen to, I'll cancel my Spotify account out of principal and just go back to torrenting every piece of music I can think of.

Christ, to be this pissy about the ONE popular conservative independent opinion outlet, while our side has been force fed MSM ******** for years.. pathetic.

Who cares what Joe Rogan says? Talk about facism...
Fascism you say? You mean like the book bans and book burnings the right is currently doing in America? That was a popular tactic of Nazis in the 1930s and 40s
 
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I think it's absolutely amazing that the amount of media filtering out there is just generally accepted. This is a classic case of violation of the 1st amendment and it's terrifying that there are people in the US that feel like he should be censored for just simply trying to understand a subject, in this case COVID, the vaccines and potential alternatives.
Unless the media is government owned, then it's not a violation of the first amendment.
 

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Fascism you say? You mean like the book bans and book burnings the right is currently doing in America? That was a popular tactic of Nazis in the 1930s and 40s
The left is not “banning” books like the Nazis?
 
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The big thing for Spotify is that it's platform agnostic. Unlike Apple Music or Google Play, each of which can't be used by half of America right off the bat. And it can be had for free if you choose. There isn't another player in this space at the moment. Tidal is a bit more for the enthusiast, and also has no free tiers last I checked.

I think the other big thing for Spotify is it's sheer music catalog which dwarfs Apple and anyone else. So not only for the music enthusiasts do they have a better platform, but you can really go down a rabbit hole of a genre and find unique things. As a post-hardcore/mathrock fan, you have bands that formed last week putting their music on there.

I don't see Spotify going away from that.. but maybe they are just bolstering their podcast/talk show offerings. It does seem that's where the money can start rolling in.

As for the first part, I don't see the "big difference" just because one is a different type of "radio" media. It's still censoring. If you get rid of Joe Roagn, then get rid of Late Night TV, Trevor Noah, etc.
You literally could not be more wrong.

1) Apple Music is available on iOs, MacOS, Android, and Windows as well as on SOnos and Amazon Echo devices.

2) Google Play Music DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE AS OF DECEMBER 2020. Everything has been moved over to YouTube Music, which is available as an app for iOs and Android or thru a web browser.

3) Apple Music also has the biggest music library, 75 million to 70 million tracks.
 
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Follow the money...Spotify is partially owned by Blackrock. Blackrock controls 10% of the worlds wealth. I thinks it's something like 9 Trillion dollars with investments in tens of thousands of companies. They could twist any companies arm in a thousand different ways to make them squeal like a pig. Guess who has had guests on critical of Larry Fink and Blackrock....Joe Rogan.

People should really look into all the investments and holdings of blackrock. Their tendrils are in everything and that's just what's public. One can only guess at what they're investing or funding that isn't required to report it (ie non public companies)
 
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You literally could not be more wrong.

1) Apple Music is available on iOs, MacOS, Android, and Windows as well as on SOnos and Amazon Echo devices.

2) Google Play Music DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ANYMORE AS OF DECEMBER 2020. Everything has been moved over to YouTube Music, which is available as an app for iOs and Android or thru a web browser.

3) Apple Music also has the biggest music library, 75 million to 70 million tracks.

Yeah? How many android users are using Apple Music, do you think?

Also Spotify has 82 million..
 
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Yeah? How many android users are using Apple Music, do you think?

Also Spotify has 82 million..
Not according to my research it doesn't. The article I included was posted just 4 days ago.

This one from 5 days ago it's 90+ million to 70+ million in favor of Apple Music

This article posted today says it's 90 million to 75 million in favor of Apple Music
 
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Yeah? How many android users are using Apple Music, do you think?

Also Spotify has 82 million..
Apple Music has over 50 million installs according to the Play Store. I tried finding articles that discussed active users but that's all I could come up with.

But that's not what you said, you said Spotify was platform agnostic while Apple Music isn't. Most people play their music on computers or mobile devices. Apple Music is available on every major OS just like Spotify is. If Spotify is platform agnostic, then so is Apple Music.
 

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Apple Music has over 50 million installs according to the Play Store. I tried finding articles that discussed active users but that's all I could come up with.

But that's not what you said, you said Spotify was platform agnostic while Apple Music isn't. Most people play their music on computers or mobile devices. Apple Music is available on every major OS just like Spotify is. If Spotify is platform agnostic, then so is Apple Music.

I would be absolutely floored if 50 million Android users are using Apple Music lol.
 
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