Has Steve lost his mind?
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Spurrier - "fire the columnist or I'll quit"
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Good for him, although I wouldn't have said anything publicly.....
Not sure why people take up for these so called objective columnists. The real objective fact writing reporters don't get jumped on. It's the actively seeking negative writers who use the newspapers to spread an agenda to get hits and such. The whole media is seemingly that way now.
I guess it's up to the school how much they will take and how much access they will give. Why anybody would want a negative beat writer is beyond me.
Not sure why people take up for these so called objective columnists. The real objective fact writing reporters don't get jumped on. It's the actively seeking negative writers who use the newspapers to spread an agenda to get hits and such. The whole media is seemingly that way now.
I guess it's up to the school how much they will take and how much access they will give. Why anybody would want a negative beat writer is beyond me.
He does come off as crazy, but the guy compared him to the rape incident at Penn State, and for no reason too.
If you're writing an article on coaches with too much power, why pick Spurrier? Just because you elevate a program and win doesn't mean you're an all powerful god. He should have referenced Saban if he was going to do that.
I don't see Spurrier as a dictator like the guy made him out to be. He's just a winner. One of the greatest winners of all time. He deserves a little more respect than a distasteful comparison to Joe Pa.
If you're writing an article on coaches with too much power, why pick Spurrier? Just because you elevate a program and win doesn't mean you're an all powerful god. He should have referenced Saban if he was going to do that.
I don't see Spurrier as a dictator like the guy made him out to be. He's just a winner. One of the greatest winners of all time. He deserves a little more respect than a distasteful comparison to Joe Pa.
The problem with what Spurrier has done is he's painted the newspaper in a corner. Now if they fire the guy, they look like they're just caving to him. He's handled this badly from the beginning. He should have just kept his mouth shut, banned that guy from his press conferences, and gone on with business as usual with the rest of the reporters.
the old ball coach might have vented too much, but
personally, i have some sympathy for spurrier. sportswriters think they are woodward and bernstein. they are not. they're mostly hacks writing about games. frankly if i were a coach i would deal with them like they deal with me. a guy who constantly looks to cricitize and tear down my program wouldn't get the time of day from me. there is room for legit criticizm of programs but when you get a guy who makes it his mission to always look for the dirt and tear down, it seems silly to me to expect the coach to put up with it. his only recourse is to shut the guy out. the only problem i have with what spurrier is doing is that he's dumb to talk about it. just shut the guy out. don't answer his questions, don't give him interviews or access. as far as this guy all concerned about newspaper integrity and the coach firing a guy...please. its the sports section and the paper is a lot more concerned with readership than integrity. if the guy gets fired its cause he's pissed off too many customers, not just spurrier.
personally, i have some sympathy for spurrier. sportswriters think they are woodward and bernstein. they are not. they're mostly hacks writing about games. frankly if i were a coach i would deal with them like they deal with me. a guy who constantly looks to cricitize and tear down my program wouldn't get the time of day from me. there is room for legit criticizm of programs but when you get a guy who makes it his mission to always look for the dirt and tear down, it seems silly to me to expect the coach to put up with it. his only recourse is to shut the guy out. the only problem i have with what spurrier is doing is that he's dumb to talk about it. just shut the guy out. don't answer his questions, don't give him interviews or access. as far as this guy all concerned about newspaper integrity and the coach firing a guy...please. its the sports section and the paper is a lot more concerned with readership than integrity. if the guy gets fired its cause he's pissed off too many customers, not just spurrier.
I think this statement from the article is hilarious:
"Before we go further, look, I've already addressed the Penn State analogy. Morris made a mistake, which he conceded and apologized for in a column in his newspaper. If the people who run the State decide such a poorly chosen analogy cannot be made without repercussions, fine. I'm not telling the newspaper how to run its business, as long as it's thinking for itself. But if the State lets Steve Spurrier think for it? That's a problem."
The same damn people who give a platform to special interest groups that get people fired for less derogatory or disgusting statements than this reporter are surprised when an individual suggests someone should be fired. I can think of a lot of figureheads or people in the spotlight who have lost their jobs from pressure from the outside. Those businesses didn't make the decisions on their own.
"Before we go further, look, I've already addressed the Penn State analogy. Morris made a mistake, which he conceded and apologized for in a column in his newspaper. If the people who run the State decide such a poorly chosen analogy cannot be made without repercussions, fine. I'm not telling the newspaper how to run its business, as long as it's thinking for itself. But if the State lets Steve Spurrier think for it? That's a problem."
The same damn people who give a platform to special interest groups that get people fired for less derogatory or disgusting statements than this reporter are surprised when an individual suggests someone should be fired. I can think of a lot of figureheads or people in the spotlight who have lost their jobs from pressure from the outside. Those businesses didn't make the decisions on their own.
Go to the beach Spurrier. I don't have a problem with Spurrier saying to South Carolina fans "cancel your subscriptions" or whatever but to actually go to the newspaper executives and get the guy fired - that's BS. He did make a horrible analogy and thus apologized but to try and get him fired - that's over the line.
So if a reporter compared you with Sandusky and Jo Pa in the paper you wouldn't want the guy fired? To me the reporter was the one who crossed the line and he should never work again, at least in the media.
The guy didn't make a Sandusky reference.
He made a JoePa analogy - which I agree was horrible but does not justify losing his job b/c Spurrier thinks so.
He made a JoePa analogy - which I agree was horrible but does not justify losing his job b/c Spurrier thinks so.
Can Spurrier have an opinion? Sure. However...
He has no right to demand someone be fired based on a journalistic opinion. What Spurrier did was 10x worse than what Saban did when he yelled at the press for being too nice to his players.
He has no right to demand someone be fired based on a journalistic opinion. What Spurrier did was 10x worse than what Saban did when he yelled at the press for being too nice to his players.
Journalists fan the flames all the time when it comes to coaches' job security. What's wrong with a coach turning the tables for a change?
So win Don Imus made his statement and the players, coaches, fans, outside....
....groups all called for him to be fired, were they over the line? Were just the coaches and players over the line?
edit: meant to say "when" in the subject line
....groups all called for him to be fired, were they over the line? Were just the coaches and players over the line?
edit: meant to say "when" in the subject line
Spurrier is using his power to get the guy fired. Like I said, if he wanted make a public outcry - that's fine. But to go directly to the newspaper execs which is what seems to have happened - that's where I find a problem.
There's a difference - and it's all about power
Writing letters, pleaing to the masses, etc., is all about using the power of the people to influence a decision. What Spurrier is doing is saying "I don't like what you wrote, and I personally have the power to take away your livelihood."
Writing letters, pleaing to the masses, etc., is all about using the power of the people to influence a decision. What Spurrier is doing is saying "I don't like what you wrote, and I personally have the power to take away your livelihood."
Sounds like somebody is worried about setting a precedent that would let
a coach go to the sixpackspeak execs and demanding his firing. If only Stansbury had realized this was an option to force you to shut down coach34, he'd still be coaching...
a coach go to the sixpackspeak execs and demanding his firing. If only Stansbury had realized this was an option to force you to shut down coach34, he'd still be coaching...
the Penn St reference opened the door................
for Spurrier. It was the guy questioning the decision to start Shaw vs UAB that pissed Spurrier off. That and other critical columns over the years.
The Penn St reference was in regards to powerful coaches, like Paterno (or Spurrier), controlling universities, and it was during a radio interview. It was stupid on the columnist part, but, like I've said before, being interviewed is hard. Sometimes you say things you immediately wish you could take back.
for Spurrier. It was the guy questioning the decision to start Shaw vs UAB that pissed Spurrier off. That and other critical columns over the years.
The Penn St reference was in regards to powerful coaches, like Paterno (or Spurrier), controlling universities, and it was during a radio interview. It was stupid on the columnist part, but, like I've said before, being interviewed is hard. Sometimes you say things you immediately wish you could take back.
I agree. Spurrier should have asked for an apology and left it at that. Once he starts threatening the guy's job and the school with a resignation, the JoePa analogy becomes more relevent.
The media more or less demands coaches be held accountable all the time. Why can't he turn the tables this time?
I don't see why the media guy automatically gets the high ground.
From the article:
"And it would be a monstrosity for Spurrier to have any say in the career of a sports writer who writes about his team."
To me, that's just as valid as this one:
"And it would be a monstrosity for Morris to have any say in the career of a football coach of the team he writes about."
You can't pick a fight and then holler foul when you get your @$$ whipped.
From the article:
"And it would be a monstrosity for Spurrier to have any say in the career of a sports writer who writes about his team."
To me, that's just as valid as this one:
"And it would be a monstrosity for Morris to have any say in the career of a football coach of the team he writes about."
You can't pick a fight and then holler foul when you get your @$$ whipped.
He's kinda proving the whole point of the analogy with "exercising too much power." However, I like Spurrier. Always have. I like that he says what he thinks. I see Mullen being just like him, hopefully with as much success, one day. If my enemy made a mistake, and I saw a legitimate way to get rid of him, I'd jump all over it.
Agree,
it was a poor analogy because 'fans' instantly think of Sandusky BUT if Spurrier does get this guy fired, he proves his point ... he has way too much power much like Joe Pa.
it was a poor analogy because 'fans' instantly think of Sandusky BUT if Spurrier does get this guy fired, he proves his point ... he has way too much power much like Joe Pa.
Even if the comparison to Paterno was acceptable, it still would not be accurate. Spurrier is nowhere near the icon at SC that Paterno was, and still is to many, at Penn State. Spurrier was a bit over the line, but he's known for doing that. I can understand his frustration.
I don't really think of Spurrier as the iconic coach of South Carolina anyway ... I still connect him to Florida, not the Redskins or SC. Lou Holtz, maybe. Heck, I even have trouble accepting SC as an SEC member. But I'm old and set in my ways.
I don't really think of Spurrier as the iconic coach of South Carolina anyway ... I still connect him to Florida, not the Redskins or SC. Lou Holtz, maybe. Heck, I even have trouble accepting SC as an SEC member. But I'm old and set in my ways.
Gregg Doyel is a Class A moron
No one should pay attention to what this schmuck says.
No one should pay attention to what this schmuck says.
I hate Spurrier, but if Spurrier can get the guy fired, then so be it...
Newspapers are owned by corporations who's goal is to make money. No one is getting thrown in jail for having an opinion, he is entitled to give Spurrier all the hell he wants to give him.
If Morris wants to dedicate his column to preaching about how Spurrier is the worst coach in the country and that he is an ******* and should be fired, I have no problem with him doing everything in his power to bring Spurrier down. Totally within his right if the newspaper gives him the green light.
If Spurrier wants to dedicate his life to getting Morris fired just because he can, well I think that is Spurrier's right. That is what is great about America. Both men are entitled to their opinions. The fact that Spurrier's opinion can cost Morris his job is irrelevant.
This is no different than a supplier pulling their business unless a sales exec is fired or a hospital pulling its sales order unless a sales rep is fired. Happens in every area in life.
For a reporter who is hired to cover the local sports team to be shocked that a coach who he is actively tried to get fired, might try and do the same thing to him? So a reporter can call for a coach's head, but a coach can't do the same thing? Why not? Doesn't mean the paper has to do it. If they do, the reporter simply overestimated his importance, which is something all reporters do at a time. Some reporters forget that they are covering sports in the south, not giving updates from the front in 1916 Europe.
Newspapers are owned by corporations who's goal is to make money. No one is getting thrown in jail for having an opinion, he is entitled to give Spurrier all the hell he wants to give him.
If Morris wants to dedicate his column to preaching about how Spurrier is the worst coach in the country and that he is an ******* and should be fired, I have no problem with him doing everything in his power to bring Spurrier down. Totally within his right if the newspaper gives him the green light.
If Spurrier wants to dedicate his life to getting Morris fired just because he can, well I think that is Spurrier's right. That is what is great about America. Both men are entitled to their opinions. The fact that Spurrier's opinion can cost Morris his job is irrelevant.
This is no different than a supplier pulling their business unless a sales exec is fired or a hospital pulling its sales order unless a sales rep is fired. Happens in every area in life.
For a reporter who is hired to cover the local sports team to be shocked that a coach who he is actively tried to get fired, might try and do the same thing to him? So a reporter can call for a coach's head, but a coach can't do the same thing? Why not? Doesn't mean the paper has to do it. If they do, the reporter simply overestimated his importance, which is something all reporters do at a time. Some reporters forget that they are covering sports in the south, not giving updates from the front in 1916 Europe.
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one terrible "journalist" talking about another terrible "journalist....
and both of them taking things out of context and trying to stir **** up when its not there. First of all, comparing Spurrier to Jopa is ridiculous and given what has gone on at PSU, its really suggestive and offensive. Secondly, Ray Tanner is the AD now. The guy that won back to back CWS's and went to a third. He has plenty of influence w/ the Gamecock community and Spurrier has a great deal of respect for him. Spurrier is not going to run roughshod over the school like Jopa did and he doesn't want to. He likes to coach football and play golf at Augusta. He just doesn't want his reputation to be dragged through the mud by a two bit hack and i don't blame him.
and both of them taking things out of context and trying to stir **** up when its not there. First of all, comparing Spurrier to Jopa is ridiculous and given what has gone on at PSU, its really suggestive and offensive. Secondly, Ray Tanner is the AD now. The guy that won back to back CWS's and went to a third. He has plenty of influence w/ the Gamecock community and Spurrier has a great deal of respect for him. Spurrier is not going to run roughshod over the school like Jopa did and he doesn't want to. He likes to coach football and play golf at Augusta. He just doesn't want his reputation to be dragged through the mud by a two bit hack and i don't blame him.
It always bothers me how much influence the media has over freethinking people.
I personally understand where Spurrier's coming from. I think he probably went overboard with it, but I get it. We give the media way too much leeway. They should be held more accountable for what they write. It does affect coaching jobs when one person can influence that many people.
Let someone put something like that in print about you and see if an apology washes it all away.
Fine to have a fair opinion, and an honest one, but the lengths many go to in order to sell papers is uncalled for.
I personally understand where Spurrier's coming from. I think he probably went overboard with it, but I get it. We give the media way too much leeway. They should be held more accountable for what they write. It does affect coaching jobs when one person can influence that many people.
Let someone put something like that in print about you and see if an apology washes it all away.
Fine to have a fair opinion, and an honest one, but the lengths many go to in order to sell papers is uncalled for.
Which is the same as comparing him to the two. The guy should be fired and so should the editor that let him print it unless he has evidence that Spurrier has looked the other way in similar circumstances to Joe Pa. It's time for some reporters to be held acountable for the absolute crap they spew.