Spurs win the series in 6
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That's how i used to be towards Kobe
LeBron doesn't bother me. He is unreal at bb and I enjoy watching him mostly because he plays hard, fast and unselfish ball. He gets 6 rings and he'll be the best ever. Till then that title is MJ's.
LeBron doesn't bother me. He is unreal at bb and I enjoy watching him mostly because he plays hard, fast and unselfish ball. He gets 6 rings and he'll be the best ever. Till then that title is MJ's.
This is Parker's series to take. Its a very tough match-up for the Heat. Yea James will get his but he does not score and dish like Parker.
Kawhi Leonard will be gaurding James. This may get physical.
I dont see Chalmers or Cole containing Parker. Will Jarvis Swat Varnado play??
Spurs win tonight
Kawhi Leonard will be gaurding James. This may get physical.
I dont see Chalmers or Cole containing Parker. Will Jarvis Swat Varnado play??
Spurs win tonight
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The Spurs are one of your 2 least favorite teams? Really?
You like the Bobcats more than them?
You like the Suns more than them?
You like the TWolves better than them?
Wow, what a deep seeded dislike for one of the best run franchises in all of pro sports over the last 20+ years.
Their players and staff dont create drama. They play fantastic team ball. They are high court IQ players. They draft incredibly well for being so low in the 1st round year after year. They consistently develop players.
They are about the most consistent team in the NBA in the last 20 years.
I just don't get what's not to like, unless you hate consistency and execution. That would then explain how you could like the Bobcats more than the Spurs, I suppose...
Lebron is the best ever regardless of how many titles
It's not fair to judge a player by how many teams he was on that won a title. Is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino? Is Yogi Berra the best baseball player ever? Some people argue that Bill Russell is the best basketball player. He won 11 championships -- does that mean they're right? If Lebron James played his whole career for the Kings and Bobcats, would he not be good anymore?
Is it Lebron's fault that he played well enough to beat the Mavericks 2 years ago and the rest of his team didn't?
You could measure by how many titles the player's teams won vs. how many they should have won, if you can use that to show that statistically, the player provided an intangible benefit. But it would be difficult to prove. Otherwise, the best basketball player should be determined by the basketball equivalent of sabermetrics.
It's not fair to judge a player by how many teams he was on that won a title. Is Trent Dilfer better than Dan Marino? Is Yogi Berra the best baseball player ever? Some people argue that Bill Russell is the best basketball player. He won 11 championships -- does that mean they're right? If Lebron James played his whole career for the Kings and Bobcats, would he not be good anymore?
Is it Lebron's fault that he played well enough to beat the Mavericks 2 years ago and the rest of his team didn't?
You could measure by how many titles the player's teams won vs. how many they should have won, if you can use that to show that statistically, the player provided an intangible benefit. But it would be difficult to prove. Otherwise, the best basketball player should be determined by the basketball equivalent of sabermetrics.
Wait, 18 rebounds and 10 assists, along with great defense... doesn't make
others better? That's just absurd. Lebron is by far the best player in the NBA now, and top 10 ever. And he's a fantastic passer, and basically runs the floor for the team.
others better? That's just absurd. Lebron is by far the best player in the NBA now, and top 10 ever. And he's a fantastic passer, and basically runs the floor for the team.
They lost the game, buddy. I never said that Lebron doesn't make players around him better, just not as much as Michael.
LBJ isn't the best ever. MJ & Magic are slightly better. But he is right next to them. I used to didn't think so but I can see his game evolving to a level in which he COULD be the best. It depends on the evolution of his post game. At the end of the day that is what separated MJ from Magic was his ability to control the tempo from the post. I don't think Spo knows what he's doing coaching LBJ. If Spo let LBJ's post game dictate the flow of the offense, spot up the shooters and even Bosh, they're offensive production wouldn't have to rely so much on turnovers for fastbreaks. But in it's current form they are going to run LBJ to death. Besides hitting the boards like he did last night, hitting critical shots deep in the shot clock, finding open shooters off of doubling him on the high screen and roll now they ask him to defend Parker too? You have got to be kidding me! I actually think besides Bill Russell he may be the best defender in the NBA history he's definitely the most versatile NO DOUBT. But the greatest ever RIGHT NOW? UM....NO! Could he be, yes. He has amazing potential physically. And my claim for MJ being the best is not soley on titles. MJ did what he did when there were REAL big men! Shaq may be the freakiest athlete for his size ever. In his prime (BTW during Jordan's dominance) he could fly as a 7ft 300lbs monster, that had great basketball IQ, strong as an ox, and jump out of the gym. Not to mention NBA defenses can now use the zone but oh my goodness the stuff the pistons used against the Bulls back then are now flagrant ejection type fouls. The knicks with Ewing did the same thing. Teams that are bigger and more physical than the heat often LBJ struggles against. MJ faced those types of teams in the playoffs 2 or 3 times and yet still PRODUCED! That is a transcendant player! That's why he's the greatest!
Interesting...
You're and idiot if you don't think lebron makes the players around him better. There's hardly a player in the league who wouldn't be made better by having lebron to dish to them, draw the extra defender, or play help defense. Pretty much the only category left where you can really claim Jordan over Lebron is titles. Of course, that's a pretty big one.
I wouldn't put the Spurs as one of two least favorite teams, but I can understand the other poster's view. As a fan of a team in the West, I don't really have any strong feelings about the Bobcats, the Suns, or the TWolves, who have all been relatively irrelevant recently (or ever in at least one case). The Spurs, on the other hand, are consistently a threat to win the West, so I dislike them more.
Also, although the Spurs are obviously a very well-run organization, it's not uncommon for people to dislike Pops. And, I really do dislike all the flopping the Spurs seem to do. Plus, Duncan's a great player, but has he ever committed a foul without looking amazed at the call?
Also, although the Spurs are obviously a very well-run organization, it's not uncommon for people to dislike Pops. And, I really do dislike all the flopping the Spurs seem to do. Plus, Duncan's a great player, but has he ever committed a foul without looking amazed at the call?
Whoooooa, hold on buddy. That team was stacked. I think in 2013 where especially my generation (born 1991) doesn't necessarily remember watching MJ, a lot of people don't realize that team had an NBA championship roster without him. Scottie won MVP after he "retired". Remove MJ from any of his championship teams and then remove LBJ from this year's team and last year's team and the Bulls would win 9 of 10 times and it would never even be close.
MJ was also a guard and only played guard. LeBron has reinvented basketball because not only can he play MJ's position, he can play Parker's position, Duncan's position... positions 1-5... and by play it I mean do it at an All-Star level. What's scary is that he's become a better individual player just in the past 3 years. Imagine if he was playing at the level he is playing now on his old Cleveland team where his only teammate was Mo Williams. He'd be averaging 30+/8/10+ and ~2 blocks a game.
My biggest thing is ESPECIALLY my age group has been taught since we were little kids that MJ is the best of all time. He was in a cartoon targeted towards me (I loved that movie growing up, and I didn't know who MJ was as a basketball player nor did give a crap about the NBA... but MJ was awesome) and Nike still plays just as many ads for MJ in 2013 as they do for any current NBA star. Nike has an agenda to make MJ the greatest player of all time in our eyes because years later his shoe brand is still the most successful athletic shoe brand EVER. Just in case I didn't catch Space Jam and find out that MJ was the best ever from a cartoon they came out with Like Mike years later to yet again remind kids who never got to see MJ that he is indeed, the great. Why do you think no one ever mentions Wilt? Rings are the only thing that make MJ the best ever compared to him.
Rings are the dumbest measuring stick for players in team sports. If Heyward goes on to win 2 or 3 World Series with the Braves is he the greatest Braves product of all time, assuming he retires as a Brave without ever leaving the same way Chipper did? Hell no. Heeeeeeell no.
Is LeBron any worse of a player because he left Cleveland? If MJ would have come back in '96 instead with the Lakers would we not be comparing MJ with potential "greatest of all time"s? Why do people hate LeBron because "I'm sick of hearing about him" but LOVE Jordan despite him being the most over exposed athlete EVER? LeBron conducts himself a lot better than MJ ever did. He's not out betting on NBA games or marrying 18 year olds. He hasn't been accused of fathering multiple women's children. I just don't get it...
ETA: What ESPN has just now figured out with this "Is the Big 3 really just the Big 1?" BS is that Bosh was never a "big" player... he was a "big" FA. There's a difference, but somehow lost in everything Bosh got so much exposure to the regular Joe that he never had playing for the most irrelevant team in the NBA to Americans that people lumped him into "best center/PF in the NBA". In fact, he wasn't even the biggest FA at his own position the same year. Stoudamire was. Then there's Wade..... the reason Riley went after both of them was his franchise player was getting close to done. Wade isn't the 2006 Wade. Wade is an "All-Star" in 2013 because of his former self. People need to get smart about how good the Heat roster really is. It's not that great. LBJ makes it great. That roster had no business winning 27 straight.
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In comparison to the greats... here is Lebron's problem:
He's playing right now.
We see him night in and night out. So not only do we see when he does something like score 20 something in a row in the 4th quarter (with Cleveland in the playoffs a few years back and is still one of the most incredible things I've ever seen done on a basketball court), we are seeing his missed game winners, his bad passes, etc. And all that gets run through the sports ENTERTAINMENT media cycle because people crave it. What we don't see anymore is highlights of every Jordan missed 4th quarter shot, every 4th quarter turnover from Magic, or highlights from games when Bird was cold. When Lebron's career is finally over and done, and all we start seeing is highlights of all the awesome stuff he did being compared to the next superstar that has come along, people are going say to themselves... "Holy 17, I wish I would have sat back and watched that guy play more often."
He's playing right now.
We see him night in and night out. So not only do we see when he does something like score 20 something in a row in the 4th quarter (with Cleveland in the playoffs a few years back and is still one of the most incredible things I've ever seen done on a basketball court), we are seeing his missed game winners, his bad passes, etc. And all that gets run through the sports ENTERTAINMENT media cycle because people crave it. What we don't see anymore is highlights of every Jordan missed 4th quarter shot, every 4th quarter turnover from Magic, or highlights from games when Bird was cold. When Lebron's career is finally over and done, and all we start seeing is highlights of all the awesome stuff he did being compared to the next superstar that has come along, people are going say to themselves... "Holy 17, I wish I would have sat back and watched that guy play more often."
All this talk of LJ better than MJ is worthless. Unless they ever played against each other there is no way to tell.
LJ is going to lose this series.
Parker is unstoppable....360 spinning shots from off his knees are going in.
And its amazing no-one ever mentions Pistol Pete as one of the greatest ever. I used to play against his son years ago and I couldl feel Pistol around him.
LJ is going to lose this series.
Parker is unstoppable....360 spinning shots from off his knees are going in.
And its amazing no-one ever mentions Pistol Pete as one of the greatest ever. I used to play against his son years ago and I couldl feel Pistol around him.
Exactly..
People need to get over "The Decision". It wasn't his idea and he admitted it probably wasn't a good idea. If you like basketball I don't see how you can't like watching him play. He plays the game the way it was meant to be played. He plays hard, he plays defense, he's unselfish and his basketball IQ is off the charts. I don't see what's not to like, if you REALLY like basketball.
People need to get over "The Decision". It wasn't his idea and he admitted it probably wasn't a good idea. If you like basketball I don't see how you can't like watching him play. He plays the game the way it was meant to be played. He plays hard, he plays defense, he's unselfish and his basketball IQ is off the charts. I don't see what's not to like, if you REALLY like basketball.
Admittedly, I didn't read your post because of all the words. I did now though, and I agree with some points disagree with others. My only reason for getting involved in this thread though was Gooddawg saying/not saying Lebron doesn't make those around him better. That's ridiculous.
They lost a game, and therefore LeBron's fantastic stats that show team play are worthless?
The guy had a triple double. 10 assists. He attracted double and triple teams, which frees up spot shooters like Miller and Allen. 10 assists and he doesnt make his team better?
What did he do in the first few plays of game 7 of the Pacers series? He initiated the offense and specifically to help Wade and Bosh find grooves.
I agree LBJ absolutely makes teammates better. It's ridiculous to think differently. I have said this before and will say it again....he is more Magic than MJ. Similar size better distributer of the ball and is versatile like Magic was. MJ was a stone cold killer on the basketball court with a mean streak that rivaled anybody in the history of the NBA. Kobe is more like MJ than LeBron.