Stans haters...
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It's only a matter of time.
The only coaches people have ever liked on this board are new ones, b/c they find reason to convince themselves that they are "building" and will eventually win big here. Then 3 years later, they realize that coach can't win here either and they turn on him and say he sucks even though they were all over him the first two years.
Maybe we should just fire every coach we have in every program after their first 3 years, that way we're always happy b/c of the newness and false hope
The only coaches people have ever liked on this board are new ones, b/c they find reason to convince themselves that they are "building" and will eventually win big here. Then 3 years later, they realize that coach can't win here either and they turn on him and say he sucks even though they were all over him the first two years.
Maybe we should just fire every coach we have in every program after their first 3 years, that way we're always happy b/c of the newness and false hope
"The only coaches people have ever liked on this board are new ones, b/c they find reason to convince themselves that they are "building" and will eventually win big here.
The only new coaches this board has ever seen are Crooms, Cohen, and Mullen. People were mixed on Crooms, and turns out with good reason. And Cohen and Mullen are in the actual building portion of their tenures. Only a moron would deny Mullen's progress, and Cohen is working to get there as well.
The only new coaches this board has ever seen are Crooms, Cohen, and Mullen. People were mixed on Crooms, and turns out with good reason. And Cohen and Mullen are in the actual building portion of their tenures. Only a moron would deny Mullen's progress, and Cohen is working to get there as well.
He didn't have them ready to play with a fire under their asses from the get-go. He's been here & coached long enough to be doing alot better job than he's doing. He's always lately had some kind of controversy going on & players leaving etc.etc. Next season doesn't look too promising either.
I am a MSU alumnus and fan. We should have slightly optimistic expectations. What would it take you to realize that Stans did not achieve what he should have this year? .647 winning percentage means Stans stays for now, even though I think we underachieved this year. It will take an very bad year for Stans to be fired. <div>
</div><div>Baseball: Cohen should have a competitive SEC team in 2011 and be in the NCAA regional. By year 4 we should be hosting a regional or more. If not we should start looking...there's no excuse for not winning in baseball at MSU. </div><div>
</div><div>Mullen's team needs to win 6 regular season games next year. If we are 5-7 next year w/many close losses I will be disappointed, but it will look like we are still moving in the right direction. By year 3 we should be competing for 7-8 wins. If that is too much to ask, then we have accepted less than mediocrity. Hopefully, we can start creating an easier schedule = 3 teams that are 80-90% sure wins, and one 60% chance win. USM should be the best team that we play non-conf. ever again. If we don't have a winning season by year 3, that's not good. I'd give him 5 years max to get something done. </div>
</div><div>Baseball: Cohen should have a competitive SEC team in 2011 and be in the NCAA regional. By year 4 we should be hosting a regional or more. If not we should start looking...there's no excuse for not winning in baseball at MSU. </div><div>
</div><div>Mullen's team needs to win 6 regular season games next year. If we are 5-7 next year w/many close losses I will be disappointed, but it will look like we are still moving in the right direction. By year 3 we should be competing for 7-8 wins. If that is too much to ask, then we have accepted less than mediocrity. Hopefully, we can start creating an easier schedule = 3 teams that are 80-90% sure wins, and one 60% chance win. USM should be the best team that we play non-conf. ever again. If we don't have a winning season by year 3, that's not good. I'd give him 5 years max to get something done. </div>
People were just excited about Croom as they were for Mullen and Cohen, if not moreso and you know it. So basically, those three coaches in their first 2-3 years are the only coaches we've been happy with although none ofthem have won here yet. So what other reason besides newness makes the majority think they are the best 2 coaches on campus? It sure isn't an opinion based on proven results here
And you are the epitome of dumb statements, you actually imply that Les Miles is a better coach than Nick Saban. </p>
And you are the epitome of dumb statements, you actually imply that Les Miles is a better coach than Nick Saban. </p>
chalk me up as a stans lover...it sure has been nice over the years to actually have the talent and be able to play with the so called big boys of the conference year in and year out...what other coach could bring in the players to starkville that stans has?...those players have been fun to watch and it's nice to know that we can have some of the top players in the conference every year...all i'm saying is that without stans, we definately have/had the potential to be the worst bastketball school in the sec.</p>
except the people who bought into his "character" image. The atmosphere at games was much better in Mullen's first year compared to Croom's first year.
personally that thought Crooms was a good choice. There were some people on the Board here that did for sure, but there was a large faction (including yours truly) that never got on the Crooms bandwagon. Alot of people met Crooms with cautious optimism. After Maine, alot of that optimism was gone.
"So what other reason besides newness makes the majority think they are the best 2 coaches on campus? It sure isn't an opinion based on proven results here"
Maybe that Cohen won at piss-ant NW State, helped Fla win as its hitting coach, and then went on to win an SEC title at the conference's worst baseball school perhaps? You know, <span style="text-decoration:underline">proven results</span>
Or maybe the fact that Mullen has had a hand in winning 2 National Titles and numerous BCS bowl appearances at 2 different schools? <span style="text-decoration:underline">You know, proven results</span>
People are unhappy with Stansbury because he is trending downward with his best days behind him, dumb coaching mistakes, revolving door transfers, strife between players as well as the coaching staff, and a stale program...
"So what other reason besides newness makes the majority think they are the best 2 coaches on campus? It sure isn't an opinion based on proven results here"
Maybe that Cohen won at piss-ant NW State, helped Fla win as its hitting coach, and then went on to win an SEC title at the conference's worst baseball school perhaps? You know, <span style="text-decoration:underline">proven results</span>
Or maybe the fact that Mullen has had a hand in winning 2 National Titles and numerous BCS bowl appearances at 2 different schools? <span style="text-decoration:underline">You know, proven results</span>
People are unhappy with Stansbury because he is trending downward with his best days behind him, dumb coaching mistakes, revolving door transfers, strife between players as well as the coaching staff, and a stale program...
Though i dont hate Stans...
--Mullen gets a couple more years to make a bowl game before i start to get pissed. Just a bowl game, not exactly high demands.</p>
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--Cohen...dont care.</p>
--Mullen gets a couple more years to make a bowl game before i start to get pissed. Just a bowl game, not exactly high demands.</p>
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--Cohen...dont care.</p>
You missed the HERE part, they don't have proven results HERE yet, so we don't have a reason to crown them yet, especially as the 2 best coaches on campus like it's not even a question. I'd predict that they'll never have the type success we've had in basketball, so I'll also predict that people will turn on them in a couple of years too if they hold baseball and football to the same standards as they do for the basketball program...like I said, it's only a matter of time.
Being "new" is the only way you can be ecstatic about your coach when you have two losing seasons in a row, which is what we'll have in baseball and football. I'm not saying I don't see some improvement in football or that I don't like Mullen, or that I don't think he can win, but it's not as likely as some of you make it out to be. We'll be lucky to be favored in 2SEC games next year and will have to overachieve to repeat the 3-5 SEC record. If we lose to Ole Miss or UK, it's very possible we go 1-7 in SEC play.</p>
Being "new" is the only way you can be ecstatic about your coach when you have two losing seasons in a row, which is what we'll have in baseball and football. I'm not saying I don't see some improvement in football or that I don't like Mullen, or that I don't think he can win, but it's not as likely as some of you make it out to be. We'll be lucky to be favored in 2SEC games next year and will have to overachieve to repeat the 3-5 SEC record. If we lose to Ole Miss or UK, it's very possible we go 1-7 in SEC play.</p>
& never making it past the first round in the NCAA.There are so many young coaches doing a better job than Stans in wayyy smaller programs. Losing SUCKS !!!!!
Apples and oranges. Our "success" in basketball is pretty dubious. Our "SEC West titles" in basketball mean exactly nothing. They don't get us into the dance. Our division is so bad that the SEC is considering a revamp of the seeding so that the division winner won't get an automatic one seed in the tourney. Aside from Kentucky and UT, the conference is bad. I mean, bad like C-USA-bad. Everyone touts the 20 win seasons, but sheesh, against the schedule we play, NEMCC could have 20 win seasons. It's generally disturbing when we schedule like ****, still end up losing to a couple of ****** teams early, then barely beat .500 in one of the worst conferences in the land, and then cry foul when we get left out of the big dance. And folks like you love to embrace this "success". And I haven't even brought up the player turnover.
Football and baseball are completely different. A .500 conference record in either would be successful. An SEC West title in football means a New Years Day bowl.
As far as the "HERE" part, that doesn't matter. The other two coaches have produced results in this conference. They deserve plenty of time to execute their plans. Stans hasn't produced **** except hollow 20 win seasons. This year should have everyone on this board pissed because he returned everyone from a team that won the SEC tourney and went to the dance last year. If you aren't pissed at Stans for this year, then you need to ask yourself some serious questions.
...this "3rd season" ******** is about the gayest thing I have ever seen on this very gay board.
This baseball team is going to suck hard this year, & the sixpack faithful will be bashing Cohen by the end of April.
The football team is not going to be much better this fall, & all I predict all the man crushes on Mullen are going to magically disappear after the first inexcusable loss.
"3rd season" my ***.
This baseball team is going to suck hard this year, & the sixpack faithful will be bashing Cohen by the end of April.
The football team is not going to be much better this fall, & all I predict all the man crushes on Mullen are going to magically disappear after the first inexcusable loss.
"3rd season" my ***.
I seriously have never understood why someone who seems to dislike this board so much continues to post here so often.RonnyAtmosphere said:
Why put yourself thru the pain of reading the board?
Masochist?
Im sorry but that couldnt be farther from the truth. Actually if I recall it was mostly "HUH?" It was not excitement I remember from thathire. There is not anyway possible that people were more excited about Crooms than Mullen. It was so bad underCrooms that anybody hired would have been more exciting. That was a dumb statement.whatever said:
but there were plenty of people excited about Croom. Listening to his first press conference and the summer leading up to our first game, excitement was there.
The standing ovations he was receiving during the alumni tour were I guess standing boycotts.
The standing ovations he was receiving during the alumni tour were I guess standing boycotts.
I don't know how you couldn't get excited about Croom as your head coach from his initial press conference. He said all the right things.
I hate to bring up the Kang in all of this but isnt there some similarity between what we went thru with football and this statement? And I know its not the same but I am meaning more of the staleness of the program....its the same **** every year, win 20 (which is good if we were actually beating any decent teams), scrawny string bean players, terrible coaching decisions,not winning any big games, transfers and players not getting better. Its just old and boring. Lets make a change before we start to nosedive back into mediocrity and cant get a good coachand have to make a Crooms hire just to get a warm body.Coach34 said:
dawgstudent said:
Exactly.
I guess there were 10,000+ people clapping in protest when he was introduced at the basketball game that winter.
it has to do with the fact that there was just a tad (meaning a shitload) more excitement for mullen. that fact is indisputable i would think. i dont consider myself a homer especially since i was replying to someone else with what i consider my own grown *** man opinion. the reply i made wasnt inspired by coach. it was inspired by my hatred of what the crooms era did to my school and the crooms apologists that really think it wasnt that bad.
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His opening press conference was pretty dang good.
Unfortunately for us, it went downhill from there.
Unfortunately for us, it went downhill from there.
Evidentally dpaul and C34 just weren't paying attention when we hired Croom, but those standing ovations, rousing press conferences, and glowingly positive media coverage will probably not be matched with any other hire we'll ever make. You may say you wondered personally about the hire, but how you can possibly say there was more buzz and excitement from the masses of MSU fans and especially from the media after the Mullen and Cohen hires is ridiculous. The reception that your coach gets at appearances and alumni functions is usually a good general barometer of how excited the fans are about him, and Croom >Mullen
Face it, most of this crowd that hates Stans is only happy w/ any coach during his "grace period." B/c if you judge a coach off of results here as to whether you support him or not, you're not going to support pretty much any of our coaches in the long run b/c they aren't going to match what we've done in basketball
Face it, most of this crowd that hates Stans is only happy w/ any coach during his "grace period." B/c if you judge a coach off of results here as to whether you support him or not, you're not going to support pretty much any of our coaches in the long run b/c they aren't going to match what we've done in basketball
I haven't laughed so hard at someone trying to prove they aren't a kid in my life! That whole reply of yours was spoken like a real grown *** man.dpaul798 said:
a guy most of us had never heard of was hired for the job. Myself, and many others, didnt buy all the discipline bs and West Coast crap he was spewing. Too bad Ronny didnt archive it because I questioned the hire on this very board from the 1st day. I fought with Meo and others about it repeatedly. And, as usual, turns out I was right.
But in my circle of friends, and people I knew, Mullen's hire was 3x> Croom's hire from an excitement standpoint
But in my circle of friends, and people I knew, Mullen's hire was 3x> Croom's hire from an excitement standpoint
It wasn't as funny as "I'm a man. I'm 40", but it was a humorous cry for help.SnakePlissken said:
do when y'all get in a circle.
Ok - you called the downfall of a MSU coach. Let me go ahead and predict that Mullen will be let go due to poor performance. History says I am correct.
And you and dpaul said there wasn't excitement when Croom was hired. I beg to differ.
Ok - you called the downfall of a MSU coach. Let me go ahead and predict that Mullen will be let go due to poor performance. History says I am correct.
And you and dpaul said there wasn't excitement when Croom was hired. I beg to differ.
he sucked. No denying that. But to say there wasn't excitement with his hire is crazy.
And let me tell you another reason you perceive there was more excitement: Greg Byrne vs Larry Templeton.
I can't help to imagine what Byrne could have done with Sly as our coach as far as positive press. We already had tons. Croom was/is a marketing gold mine. You see how much we had when Templeton did nothing. He was on ESPN constantly.
And let me tell you another reason you perceive there was more excitement: Greg Byrne vs Larry Templeton.
I can't help to imagine what Byrne could have done with Sly as our coach as far as positive press. We already had tons. Croom was/is a marketing gold mine. You see how much we had when Templeton did nothing. He was on ESPN constantly.
...stans luvers...
why isn't stan/ninja beating off offers for stans services with a stick? surely there are bigger fish somewhere that see him for the brilliant tactician.... right?
why isn't stan/ninja beating off offers for stans services with a stick? surely there are bigger fish somewhere that see him for the brilliant tactician.... right?
Im saying I don't feel there was as much excitement as when we hired Mullen. Croom's hire for alot of people was cautious optimism. I also knew alot of people from Grenada, Calhoun, and Tallahatchie county that hated the hire because he was black. To say his hire was a home run with the entire fanbase is a flat out lie. Even fans of other schools questioned the hire.
Mullen's hire on the other hand, was a home run. Much more excitement, much more hope that we could improve and do something positive under him. Nearly everybody I talked to that was a State fan and many other fans of other schools thought we made a good choice. Not once has anybody asked me "Where did you hire him from again?" like they did when we hired Croom.
Mullen's hire on the other hand, was a home run. Much more excitement, much more hope that we could improve and do something positive under him. Nearly everybody I talked to that was a State fan and many other fans of other schools thought we made a good choice. Not once has anybody asked me "Where did you hire him from again?" like they did when we hired Croom.