Stansbury has no more excuses....what a great day
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i don't care about basketball because it's the dirtiest of the big 3...
/bruiser (still doesn't follow recruiting)
/bruiser (still doesn't follow recruiting)
not because it's the dirtiest (really? He REALLY thinks it's the dirtiest? - The dirtiest is football. Follow the money and that's where the most cheating will be. Not to mention smaller schools have success in basketball all the time. Few small schools have success in football.) It's PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that Bruiser says he doesn't like basketball because we have pwned them the last decade or so. That's it plain and simple. If Ole Miss were to ever get good and we aren't, you will see Bruiser talk about how he cares about basketball. That or he will just change usernames.
Stansbury got us in this position.. as long as he does that.. especially with the MS guys coming up.. he can have every excuse in the world.. he's put the talent in place..
the rafters should be full of MSU fans in the hump next season! ya gotta love the noise level that will be elevated next season.
and.... Kentucky comes to Starkvegas next season!
and.... Kentucky comes to Starkvegas next season!
Thank you patdog. The entire basketball system is set up to be dirty. You don't see teams go on probation though because it's become such a good system that the NCAA can't do anything about it. Football is a lot more primitive in its cheating. Basketball has it mastered as an art form.
Basketball is set up so that you have to play "the game" to have a chance. When an AAU system sprouts up in football, then and only then will it have a chance of reaching the level of basketball. It's also the reason basketball players have so many hangers-on. You don't see football players that come with their own entourage of leeches in the same way you see from basketball players. There is no Worldwide Wes of football. There aren't nearly as many "advisers" for football players as for basketball players. Football is definitely corrupt, but it doesn't have an organized, NCAA-proof system in place like basketball does.
Basketball is set up so that you have to play "the game" to have a chance. When an AAU system sprouts up in football, then and only then will it have a chance of reaching the level of basketball. It's also the reason basketball players have so many hangers-on. You don't see football players that come with their own entourage of leeches in the same way you see from basketball players. There is no Worldwide Wes of football. There aren't nearly as many "advisers" for football players as for basketball players. Football is definitely corrupt, but it doesn't have an organized, NCAA-proof system in place like basketball does.
Even if he doesn't make the tourney, I wouldn't fire him after next year. I would be severely disappointed but fire him because he didn't make the Sweet 16 - that's ridiculous.
No doubt it's an expectation that should be achieved though.
No doubt it's an expectation that should be achieved though.
But if we don't make the NCAA next year if SWAT comes back then we better take a long look at Stan's coaching ability, or lack there of.
if he doesn't make it next year, he would have to make it the following year or he would be fired.
especially for the schools that really place major emphasis on the sport. I say that because its the only sport of the 3 primary sports (and I know college baseball is not primary in most places but it is in Mississippi) where ONE player can be the difference between being good or being great. Or for that matter, just between being bad or being good. For pure value in a sport, one top-notch basketball player, given you only play 5 at a time, is worth much more than one upper echelon player in football or baseball. One great basketball player can totally dominate the whole game.
then explain how come USC is being investigated for OJ Mayo if the system is "that good"? Also, explain how come people like USC and ND don't get probation if the football system is so primitive?
Todd4State said:
Well, for one thing, the issues with Mayo are for things he received AFTER coming to USC. They aren't investigating the recruiting process, and the issues with Mayo have nothing to do with the organized AAU system and how he landed at USC in the first place.
For another example, there were a lot of experts that knew Derek Rose was going to Memphis the minute he ended up with a certain AAU team. It had nothing to do with Calipari or what was going on in the recruiting process. Once Rose joined a certain group and became affiliated with certain people, he was going to Memphis. There isn't an organized system like that for football. It's all piecemeal with football. It's boosters here and there giving benefits, or the occasional player being bought by giving a coach a job, or the occasional car magically appearing in a driveway. In football, there aren't people completely unaffiliated with a player's high school who snatch up players and feed them to whichever school takes care of them the best.
You remember Scotty Hopson last year I'm sure. He's a prime example of the organized corruption that is college basketball recruiting and the AAU system.
that Stansbury goes out and recruits top notch talent that no one in the history of MSU athletics has been able to land. Yet somehow, he's the one that has to pay for that because we have fans that want to fire him for not doing more with said talent. Rick would apparently be better off not signing good players because then he at least wouldn't have to live up to some of your absurd standards.
I will be the first to admit that Stansbury should have made a Sweet 16 by now with the teams that he's had and the seeding that was obtained with those teams, but to fire him for not doing so???
To put this into perspective, by this logic, I'm assuming that in 10 years after Dan Mullen leads our football team to numerous SEC West titles, 3 trips to Atlanta, and 2 SEC championships, you'll be wanting to fire him as well for not winning a BCS bowl.
I will be the first to admit that Stansbury should have made a Sweet 16 by now with the teams that he's had and the seeding that was obtained with those teams, but to fire him for not doing so???
To put this into perspective, by this logic, I'm assuming that in 10 years after Dan Mullen leads our football team to numerous SEC West titles, 3 trips to Atlanta, and 2 SEC championships, you'll be wanting to fire him as well for not winning a BCS bowl.
Seinfeld said:
All Stansbury has to do now is convince our fans that we can't win because of the NCAA and then recruit out of the basketball camp.
If I remember correctly, your end of the season comments were something along the lines of: "If Stans doesn't make the tourny next year, his *** should be fired." What? Now your expectations have changed? Something tells me if off season issues wipe out a few key players...it really won't make a damn to your expectations. But now that Stans "lucked" into a helluva player...there are no more excuses.
Nice.
Nice.
You are aware that Scotty Hopson played on the same AAU team as Richard and Reginald Delk and Jarvis Varnado, right? So from the sound of it, you are saying that Scotty Hopson should have come here. That or else the Delks and Varnado bucked the trend and they should have gone to UT. Please explain yourself, Bruiser.RebelBruiser said:
You have now harped for seemingly years that Stansbury has underachieved time and time again. For whatever reason, the magical milestone of success that you've chosen is the Sweet 16. It would only lead one to believe that you don't think he's the man for the job since he can't seem to get there.
A couple questions:
1. If you don't believe that he should be fired for not making the Sweet 16, then what exactly was the point of posting "Stansbury has no more excuses"?
2. In all honesty, what percentage of your Stansbury bashing posts would you say are true opinions and what percentage represents you just trying to get a rise out of the pissed off supporters?
A couple questions:
1. If you don't believe that he should be fired for not making the Sweet 16, then what exactly was the point of posting "Stansbury has no more excuses"?
2. In all honesty, what percentage of your Stansbury bashing posts would you say are true opinions and what percentage represents you just trying to get a rise out of the pissed off supporters?
...that football is dirtier than basketball. Ole Miss and MSU both play the game so there is no finger-pointing. It's just a dirty business.
He said that since Derek Rose wound up on a certain AAU team, everyone knew he was going to Memphis. Hopson was on the same AAU team as Varnado and the Delks. So by his logic, one would infer that either Hopson was ours or that somehow we stole Varnado and the Delks.
DeanMoriartyMan said:
Exactly. There is no way guys like Murphy Holloway and Terico White wouldn't be at Ole Miss if we didn't play the game. I'll buy that we were probably somewhat above board for a guy like Warren because he wasn't highly recruited, but we definitely play the game too.
Basketball recruiting is much dirtier than football recruiting. It's just an organized system.
On the Derek Rose thing, it was more that he became affiliated with Worldwide Wes. And yes, certain AAU programs tend to send certain players to certain programs, but the AAU teams don't guarantee recruits for certain teams, unless you're the highest bidder consistently. You have to pay a certain price just to get your foot in the door with a lot of these players, and you still may not even get them unless you offer the best deal, and it's not just money. A lot of it has to do with NBA contacts, guaranteeing minutes, etc., not just money, though money and gifts are definitely a big part of it.
If you don't believe basketball recruiting is the dirtiest, then you obviously haven't read much about it, or you just choose to keep your head buried in the sand over it.
Bruiser is right about William Wesley, aka Worldwide Wes. Here is an article about him.RebelBruiser said:
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_5735
Rivals.com shows Tennessee offering Varnado. Also, it shows both of the Delks being offered by Tennessee.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=40635&Sport=2
Jarvis was recruited by and offered by Tennessee.
http://mississippistate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=21373
Reggie was recruited and offered by Tennessee.
http://mississippistate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=27643
Richard was recruited and offered by Tennessee
Jarvis was recruited by and offered by Tennessee.
http://mississippistate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=21373
Reggie was recruited and offered by Tennessee.
http://mississippistate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=27643
Richard was recruited and offered by Tennessee
I thought when Varnado committed, no one had offered him but I guess TN came in and offered after.
And I for sure thought the Delks didn't get any big time offers.
And I for sure thought the Delks didn't get any big time offers.
dance around the fact that you were wrong already in this thread and it has been proven. You said that Rose was certain to go to Memphis because he was on a particular AAU team. You also mentioned Hopson, who was on the same AAU team as 3 of our players. Now you say it doesn't guarantee that the players will go to the school that has the deals with the AAU team. Which is it Bruiser?RebelBruiser said:
Look, you're obviously wrong on that. And I'm not saying basketball isn't dirty. It is. It's just football involves more money. And where there's money, there's cheating. You named Worldwide Wes. Congratulations. I can name some boosters that paid players in football too. How about Lynn Lang? He paid Albert Means over $200,000 to go to Alabama and Means wasn't even good enough to start.
1MSUDawgFan said:
All I'm saying about Rose is that I heard a guy on the radio say he was definitely going to Memphis based on who he was affiliated with. I couldn't remember if it was the AAU team or his hangers-on, but it outlines the way basketball recruiting works, and it happens that way with almost all of the top prospects.
I know football isn't clean, but it's not at the same level as basketball. That's just the way it is. If you don't want to hear it from me, take it from many of your fellow MSU fans in this thread that agree with me.
As far as Albert Means, Lynn Lang was his coach. Logan Young, dead now, was the booster that bought him. That happens, but as I said, it's individual cases, and it's not nearly as organized.
You have AAU coaches that put out recruiting magazines in basketball that are essentially just a list of names of players. If you're a coach and you want to land one of their players, you have to buy up that recruiting magazine, and you might want to buy multiple subscriptions to their magazine to have a realistic shot. That's just a small example of the type of things that go on, but it's widespread in basketball, and it goes on for almost all of the top prospects and even some middle of the road prospects.