State of the Teachers Union

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/state-of-the-teachers-union-1499297619?mod=e2tw&mod=e2tw&mod=e2tw&mod=e2tw&mod=e2tw

Good news from the NEA: It’s getting out of government.

The president of the National Education Association has had enough. On Sunday Lily Eskelsen Garcia told her delegates that though she knows “how to find common ground with people who will never agree with me,” she won’t make the effort with President Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

This is a sign the Trump Administration must be doing something right. The NEA is America’s largest union with some three million members, and it represents the adults in education, not the children. As if to underscore the point, on July 4 of all days the union approved a new and harsher statement on charter schools, calling privately run charters “a failed and damaging experiment.”

What the NEA really objects to is that charters are public schools that prove children written off as uneducable can be taught in the right environment. A telling sign of NEA priorities is that while it was denouncing charters the union said it is still happy to unionize them.


As for the Education Department, Jimmy Carter created it as payoff to the NEA for its support in the 1976 election. The department has neither the funds nor the authority to make much of a difference in schools, which are mostly a state and local matter. Where Mrs. DeVos can make an impact is by using her bully pulpit on behalf of parents who are desperate for more good schools for their children—whether they are traditional public schools, charter public schools, or private and religious schools.

Mrs. DeVos has apparently been effective enough to shock the NEA into disavowing federal control of education, which is like Fannie Mae rejecting taxpayer loan guarantees. We’ll know Mrs. DeVos has succeeded when Ms. Eskelsen Garcia calls for the Education Department to be abolished.
 

MountaineerWV

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Wow, what a piece of **** job on this article. I especially love this statement: What the NEA really objects to is that charters are public schools that prove children written off as uneducable can be taught in the right environment.

Talk about "fake" news, and biased reporting........too bad the statistics don't support such a claim (although I'm sure you will find more "fake" statistics).
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Wow, what a piece of **** job on this article. I especially love this statement: What the NEA really objects to is that charters are public schools that prove children written off as uneducable can be taught in the right environment.

Talk about "fake" news, and biased reporting........too bad the statistics don't support such a claim (although I'm sure you will find more "fake" statistics).
I think you're right. Our public school system is great. We shouldn't change a thing. Just reminded me that I need to order the uniforms for my kid's Private school.
 

EEResistable

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Teacher unions have destroyed education in America. Public employee unions in general should be outlawed.
 

MountaineerWV

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Teacher unions have destroyed education in America. Public employee unions in general should be outlawed.

So, teacher's should not have representation from errors that result in potential scrutiny, or legal actions? Regardless of what you think, teachers are not the enemy....and neither is public education.
 

MountaineerWV

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I think you're right. Our public school system is great. We shouldn't change a thing. Just reminded me that I need to order the uniforms for my kid's Private school.

My children have done rather well in a rural PUBLIC educational environment.........high ACT, college ready.........and FREE! [thumbsup]

You ever bought a new car? And it starts to rattle a few weeks after buying it? Or has to have a mechanic shortly after buying it? Or has a recall from something faulty? Yeah, well what if everyone began saying that auto manufacturers "aren't getting the job done" because SOME of the new cars that are flops?
 

PriddyBoy

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[QUOTE="MountaineerWV, post: 1591671, member: 3244"]My children have done rather well in a rural PUBLIC educational environment.........high ACT, college ready.........and FREE! [thumbsup]

You ever bought a new car? And it starts to rattle a few weeks after buying it? Or has to have a mechanic shortly after buying it? Or has a recall from something faulty? Yeah, well what if everyone began saying that auto manufacturers "aren't getting the job done" because SOME of the new cars that are flops?[/QUOTE]

I see this a lot on this forum (most notably with healthcare.) You take the ME ME ME and transpose it to a norm that isn't reality. A new car? Darn that pesky car! We're what, ranked about 26th in education among the civilized world. Time for some American Exceptionalism. Don't be such an Exceptionalphobe.
 

MountaineerWV

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[QUOTE="MountaineerWV, post: 1591671, member: 3244"]My children have done rather well in a rural PUBLIC educational environment.........high ACT, college ready.........and FREE! [thumbsup]

You ever bought a new car? And it starts to rattle a few weeks after buying it? Or has to have a mechanic shortly after buying it? Or has a recall from something faulty? Yeah, well what if everyone began saying that auto manufacturers "aren't getting the job done" because SOME of the new cars that are flops?

I see this a lot on this forum (most notably with healthcare.) You take the ME ME ME and transpose it to a norm that isn't reality. A new car? Darn that pesky car! We're what, ranked about 26th in education among the civilized world. Time for some American Exceptionalism. Don't be such an Exceptionalphobe.[/QUOTE]

Well, many of the nations in front of the U.S. don't test "everyone" like we do......that's a FACT. Also, a Scandinavian nation (Finland) was ranked #1 and they have some weird things........

1. They treat their teachers like "professionals" and let them teach......go figure.
2. They have a shortened school day, with more hours at home for the kids........go figure.
3. They do not believe in "homework".......go figure.
4. They don't believe in the test, test, test mentality of American bureaucratic red tape....not "teaching to the test"........go figure.

http://www.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=3749880
 

PriddyBoy

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Well, many of the nations in front of the U.S. don't test "everyone" like we do......that's a FACT. Also, a Scandinavian nation (Finland) was ranked #1 and they have some weird things........

1. They treat their teachers like "professionals" and let them teach......go figure.
2. They have a shortened school day, with more hours at home for the kids........go figure.
3. They do not believe in "homework".......go figure.
4. They don't believe in the test, test, test mentality of American bureaucratic red tape....not "teaching to the test"........go figure.
Sounds like you're suggesting OUR system is F'd up. That's the second time today that a liberal has agreed with me.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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My children have done rather well in a rural PUBLIC educational environment.........high ACT, college ready.........and FREE! [thumbsup]

You ever bought a new car? And it starts to rattle a few weeks after buying it? Or has to have a mechanic shortly after buying it? Or has a recall from something faulty? Yeah, well what if everyone began saying that auto manufacturers "aren't getting the job done" because SOME of the new cars that are flops?
Absurd analogy is absurd.
 

MountaineerWV

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Sounds like you're suggesting OUR system is F'd up. That's the second time today that a liberal has agreed with me.

Is it the Teacher's Union that want those things I listed? Nope. It started with the Republican NCLB.......and with the Democrats continuing it.........so don't blame the Union for attempting to protect the teachers from these absurd restrictions......
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Is it the Teacher's Union that want those things I listed? Nope. It started with the Republican NCLB.......and with the Democrats continuing it.........so don't blame the Union for attempting to protect the teachers from these absurd restrictions......
Correct, Republicans want metrics that can be used to determine the successes and failures of a tax payer funded organization. Yes, we want teachers held accountable for not getting the job done. Yes, we want to be able to fire teachers for poor performance regardless of tenure. You know, like any other non-government job.