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I took women's literature at UK. Horrible class. Thought I was gonna score some tail. Failed. I didn't realize that most of them were Cuntists.
State Universities and the governors proposed budget cuts...
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I took women's literature at UK. Horrible class. Thought I was gonna score some tail. Failed. I didn't realize that most of them were Cuntists.
The student recreation budget is paid with full-time student fees. The new dorms and eateries at UK are 3rd party, not state funded.
Could afford to cut the salaries of administrators making above 200K, would make almost everyone on campus very happy.
The state government is ending the year with a surplus, don't understand whacking 10% off of higher ed.
4H is tied to the land grant thingy. It is a pretty big deal in this state anyways.
Could afford to cut the salaries of administrators making above 200K, would make almost everyone on campus very happy.
The state government is ending the year with a surplus, don't understand whacking 10% off of higher ed.
4H is tied to the land grant thingy. It is a pretty big deal in this state anyways.
Just FTR I'm not saying the state needs to cut all funding. The fact that the campus rec budget and dorms are paid by the students is my point. Students are demanding things that aren't strictly necessary but also don't want to pay the price.
My point is that there is plenty of money currently to fund the university. I'm not saying the state *needs* to slash the budget. I'm just saying they *could* and there is certainly no need to spend more money when most of the cost of tuition hikes are directly and indirectly caused by the students and administrators. Stop building dorms with roof top patios, etc. and all of a sudden you don't need as much money from the state to balance your budget
My point is that there is plenty of money currently to fund the university. I'm not saying the state *needs* to slash the budget. I'm just saying they *could* and there is certainly no need to spend more money when most of the cost of tuition hikes are directly and indirectly caused by the students and administrators. Stop building dorms with roof top patios, etc. and all of a sudden you don't need as much money from the state to balance your budget
Pretty simple. You want your retirement $$ or not. State is going bankrupt because of the stupidity in the pension system that is being abused.
I have no idea if Bevin is doing the cuts properly but I do know there needs to be cuts if you want the pensions not to dry up.
I have no idea if Bevin is doing the cuts properly but I do know there needs to be cuts if you want the pensions not to dry up.
Extension department is actually useful.
I say cut the Law department, producing lawyers is not a benefit to society.
Go to your local board of education and see how many assistant superintendents there are.
We used to bring cocktails into Human Sexuality...smoke show in that mofo:fire::fire::fire:.
BTW: I too am a Cuntist...An aficionado of fine, silky pussoire.
The extension offices serve a purpose. That's not to say there couldn't be some consolidation of offices done in some areas as every single county in the state has an office, but nonetheless, they serve a pretty big purpose and are largely taxpayer funded.
What would help all of these universities is if they would just learn to operate on 90% of the funding and put the remaining 10% in a rainy day fund for eventualities just like this.
What would help all of these universities is if they would just learn to operate on 90% of the funding and put the remaining 10% in a rainy day fund for eventualities just like this.
Put a construction freeze on all state funded universities for 1 year and the state would save more than Bevin is even wanting. There are 100's of millions in state appropriated funds and grants that go toward building new infrastructures at state colleges every 10 years.
When it comes to federal or state departmental budgets most try to us all the money allotted.
Say if the State gives $100 million and you are able to be thrifty and save $10 million this year.
Next year they will only appropriate $90 million and maybe less since you have that sum saved back.
It's a matter of "Use it or Lose it"
I had recently had to visit a family member at the UK hospital.
They have this nice pavilion to show off to the public but the emergency room looks like total crap and was nasty.
All the art work and Starbucks seems like a waste or resources.
Freezing construction would be a fiasco. Money for building new buildings is generally appropriated separately by the legislature and funds are raised through donations. It is a separate pot of money from what is used for the operational costs (mostly salaries).
Not to mention that there are contracts in place once construction starts.
Now if you said no new projects for a few years, I could agree that you might save some money, but in a year, the cost of your building has probably increased and the bonds for it are more expensive.
As to the idea of saving 10% for a rainy day, it's a great idea, but the budgets don't work that way. If you don't use all of your budget money, then next year it is decreased by the amount you saved. In many cases, any savings is reverted back to where it originated. Spend it or lose it.
That is maddening about govt budget processes. This stuff does not work like your budget at home.
Not to mention that there are contracts in place once construction starts.
Now if you said no new projects for a few years, I could agree that you might save some money, but in a year, the cost of your building has probably increased and the bonds for it are more expensive.
As to the idea of saving 10% for a rainy day, it's a great idea, but the budgets don't work that way. If you don't use all of your budget money, then next year it is decreased by the amount you saved. In many cases, any savings is reverted back to where it originated. Spend it or lose it.
That is maddening about govt budget processes. This stuff does not work like your budget at home.
Would it be such a crazy idea that if you can operate on 90% of what the state appropriates you then maybe you should only spend that much and not waste the extra 10 million on nonsense? Use it or lose it IS the issue. University's should be rewarded for using less than their budgets
It would be great IF it worked that way. It would likely require politicians to set a multi year budget. It would also require a Lot of trust in a bunch of politicians
Iowa schools were able to make a deal with the legislature that they would not raise tuition if they got X amount of funding. I think they have 3 years with no tuition increase.
There is waste in building/ architecture design, student rec centers, etc... I see it and I see it in hospitals too. It's an arms race, because no one wants to just have the basics.
As many have mentioned, funding at Universities is a very complex thing. For example, I would bet that the Violence Intervention program is 1) some sort of policy/training component built as a response to the public shootings that have happened over the last few years and 2) part of a community outreach program. If that is the case then its funding is probably coming from a mix of university funds, outside funds committed by partners, and grants. So, not only would be difficult to just eliminate those salaries, it might actually cost the university in the long run because of the terms of the agreements.
I wouldn't bet that at all. Much more likely to be a program to stop fraternity brah's from raping everyone.
Remember, per Joe Biden 1 in 5 women are raped per Joe Biden per not really.
Why would a college have to have separate programs/rules for violence? Remember, we do have such programs as "jail" at our disposal...
My two cents on a lot of the topics in this thread:
First, there is administrative bloat, it is ridiculous at every university. Went to my daughter's college graduation at the school of music, theatre and dance at University of Michigan, and was amazed how many professors and administrators were on the podium. How many of them actually teach something? What do they get paid? About 20 years ago, I represented my fraternity in a disciplinary proceeding at UK, and filed an open records request. At that time, in the mid 1990s, the assistant deans of Fraternities and asst dean of sororities were making like $125K a year!!! And don't get me started on what universities waste on athletics, UK being an exception of course, because the UKAA is one of the very few that actually make money, as opposed to Western Ky, for example, which loses 20 to 30 million per year on sports. EKU has to lose a bundle on sports.
Second, the construction costs mentioned are a red herring to some degree at UK. The gazillions spent at the UK hospital probably generate a ton of revenue as well, it is a full scale hospital, not just a teaching academy for UK med students. The gazillions spent on dorms are being underwritten by an out of state REIT who is long term leasing the ground from UK and the students paying the rent are paying for the construction, it is a PPP which is a win-win for everybody
Now for the bigger picture, when Lee Todd was president, he used to say in every speech that per capita income and education have almost a perfect one to one correlation, and maintained that you simply cannot find a population of really well educated poor people, it just doesn't exist. I would say it is a really bad decision for state governments to slash spending on higher education year after year. And I also believe that liberal arts, the humanities, classic literature, psychology (my major), history (my minor) are valuable fields of study. The world doesn't need everyone in college to be a doctor, CPA, finance major, or engineer or architect. Sure, we need some of those, but much more important is that we really need a large population of educated people who can think critically. A couple of years ago, an attorney at Vorys Sater, largest law firm in Ohio, told me their no. 1 summer associate had been a music major at UC, played cello. Decided to go to law school instead of pursuing a career in music, and was brilliant. So is the CCM program at UC a big waste of money?
What about a career in sales? Is a degree in Japanese or Spanish useful, or any other language? Well in this day and age, I would certainly say absolutely. Besides, in a larger sense, UK is not supposed to be a Vo Tech school, universities are there primarily to train your mind, to teach you to think, not just train you to do one particular job the rest of your life. After you get that education, you can use it to take you wherever your will leads you.
Just my two cents.
First, there is administrative bloat, it is ridiculous at every university. Went to my daughter's college graduation at the school of music, theatre and dance at University of Michigan, and was amazed how many professors and administrators were on the podium. How many of them actually teach something? What do they get paid? About 20 years ago, I represented my fraternity in a disciplinary proceeding at UK, and filed an open records request. At that time, in the mid 1990s, the assistant deans of Fraternities and asst dean of sororities were making like $125K a year!!! And don't get me started on what universities waste on athletics, UK being an exception of course, because the UKAA is one of the very few that actually make money, as opposed to Western Ky, for example, which loses 20 to 30 million per year on sports. EKU has to lose a bundle on sports.
Second, the construction costs mentioned are a red herring to some degree at UK. The gazillions spent at the UK hospital probably generate a ton of revenue as well, it is a full scale hospital, not just a teaching academy for UK med students. The gazillions spent on dorms are being underwritten by an out of state REIT who is long term leasing the ground from UK and the students paying the rent are paying for the construction, it is a PPP which is a win-win for everybody
Now for the bigger picture, when Lee Todd was president, he used to say in every speech that per capita income and education have almost a perfect one to one correlation, and maintained that you simply cannot find a population of really well educated poor people, it just doesn't exist. I would say it is a really bad decision for state governments to slash spending on higher education year after year. And I also believe that liberal arts, the humanities, classic literature, psychology (my major), history (my minor) are valuable fields of study. The world doesn't need everyone in college to be a doctor, CPA, finance major, or engineer or architect. Sure, we need some of those, but much more important is that we really need a large population of educated people who can think critically. A couple of years ago, an attorney at Vorys Sater, largest law firm in Ohio, told me their no. 1 summer associate had been a music major at UC, played cello. Decided to go to law school instead of pursuing a career in music, and was brilliant. So is the CCM program at UC a big waste of money?
What about a career in sales? Is a degree in Japanese or Spanish useful, or any other language? Well in this day and age, I would certainly say absolutely. Besides, in a larger sense, UK is not supposed to be a Vo Tech school, universities are there primarily to train your mind, to teach you to think, not just train you to do one particular job the rest of your life. After you get that education, you can use it to take you wherever your will leads you.
Just my two cents.
I like the fact we have a full-on convo about ***** amongst the continuous stream of 2¢ opinions on the failed education system.
Lighten up dickheads, you don't know anything.
The audit of the Jefferson County Board was nothing short of shocking.
Yep. All style over substance.
As someone who is the Director of one of the department's (on a different campus) you initially listed, I thought I would chime in. I do agree that college has become an arms race and there are a number of areas that could be cut back or eliminated. It's so similar to college athletics in that you add these facilities and programs for athletes that have gotten out of hand. It's all about the universities trying to offer out of classroom experiences to draw students. It is amazing that a "public" university gets less than 10% of their funding from the state but has to follow 100% of it's rules. My previous public university succeeded in moving out of the control of the state board of higher education to create their own governing body, own internal ban, etc. to be able to survive since state funding is so low now (it was 6% of their revenue)....an interesting twis on things.
Part of the issue is also supply and demand. No matter how much tuition goes up, parents keep sending their kids or people feel like they must go back and get a degree. Not everyone needs or is ready for a college degree. The way our economy is shifting, there's a lot more stability in being a plumber, mechanic, etc., than there is in a lot of back office roles. Technology is simplifying and reducing the need for a lot of back office positions, allowing them to be sent offshore. However, if the ******* is full, you still need someone to come to the house to fix that.
True and this goes back to large amounts of student loans being WAY too accessible. Need some form of underwriting like any other loan. Cant just hand out money like candy, because its killing the financial futures of most students.
I literally have no idea what you're talking about, ziuscrowa. Maybe post a list of concurring scientific organizations next time, bud
Your post partially illustrates what I'm talking about. We are talking about (this year) 4.5% of less than 10% of the schools funding, yet it's a "draconian" cut. Actually if you do the math, it amounts to .0045% of their overall funding. Next year it will be .009% seems like if they would just step up their fundraising efforts, they could skate by. I know a lot of the hand wringing is just political posturing and trying to protect their own, but I'm not buying it.
Well, at least we have the money to sue Planned Parenthood and make two marriage licenses.
Be grateful you ingrates.
Be grateful you ingrates.
Kentucky is supporting eight public universities in addition to the community college system. They need to find a way to cut some of these. The state just can't support that many campuses. Time for K-state and at least 2 others to go. Focus efforts on a few and develop more online programs.
You forgot that we also have the money to kill Kynect.
Problem is who do you cut. You only have Murray and WKU over in the western part of the state and they are far enough apart to serve different populations. Morehead is far enough east that it serves an area of the state that otherwise wouldn't have a university. You're not going to kill UofL. When you get to the center, you have UK, EKU, NKU, and KSU. You're not going to cut UK, so which of the 3 that are left are you going to cut.
The state funded universities need to do like I do...I budget. They need to quit squirreling every penny they can in endowments. I wonder how many billions they have in endowments?
Legalize and tax cannabis. We can then have free education with the billions that legalization will bring in.
When you look at university salaries, the state is only paying about half the bill. Most professors support half or more of their salaries with research grants. The grants usually pay for a lot of staff too. Endowment money is usually set aside for some specific purpose (professors, scholarships, buildings).
I used to play music with a guy that was a professor at UL. He told us that his salary paid for his taxes on the books that he authored to gain tenure.
I understand how the endowments work. I only said they don't need invest every penny that they take in to the endowments.
Cut them all the same percentage, at least. Really its not equitable at all to have tax dollars go towards higher education, although its worked in the favor of anyone whos attended college (including me).
But if one MUST choose, out of that group it would probably be EKU. Theyre a few minutes from UK. Whereas NKU serves the ever growing NKY area, and KSU is mostly minorities.
Noones saying professors are being paid too much. Administrators are who we're talking about. Those people who really have no definable reason to be employed, yet make 100k-200k per year. There are TONS of those people on the payroll of any public university/public school system. They need to go.