State vs Ole Miss Defense
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How's their depth? Our DL seems to get more pressure in the fourth, I'm guessing due to depth/fresh legs.
I'll take our front seven and their secondary. Don't get me wrong, they have some bright spots up front too, but as a whole and production-wise, our front 7 is better.
I think this is fairly accurate, although, I think our secondary is very very underrated. They aren't a weak link, they just aren't elite, and Ole Miss' secondary appears to be elite at the moment.
MSU having better linebackers and an equal d-line means that MSU does have the better front 7 and can more easily stop the run.
With Ole Miss having a better secondary, I feel like their defense is a little more explosive in terms of pick 6s and big hits. MSU's defense is more of a, get a lot of 3 and outs, or quietly get off the field after the offense gets two first downs, and allow Prescott and crew to get back on the field
Also, I think you need to add: Team Speed = Ole Miss
Our guys are good and I love em but you have to admit while watching an Ole Miss game that they fly around the ball better than anyone else in the nation. The number of tackles involving 4 or 5 guys is pretty amazing. I think we can beat them but mainly I feel that way because I don't see Bo moving the ball on us and I think Dak is going to get his chances. I think it's going to be a tough/physical game and both teams will be below their scoring averages.
Om's defense has been great. Their defense has been under much more pressure to play well than ours though. Think boise st up by 1 in 4th, memphis up by 4 in the 4th, and bama tight thru out. When they had a big lead against aTm, their defense gave up yards and points late much like ours. The difference in these defenses is no where near as big as people make it out to be
I'd disagree and say our d-line is better. We have depth and size that they don't have. They can spin it however they want, but we were able to be physical all 4 quarters up front, and that's due to depth. We systematically broke down Auburns offensive front WITHOUT BLITZING and by the end of the game, we had all the leverage.
OM front has not been able to play as physical as ours and they have gotten worn down in the second half. They have a good pass rush, but we have that and can play physically against the run.
OM front has not been able to play as physical as ours and they have gotten worn down in the second half. They have a good pass rush, but we have that and can play physically against the run.
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I heard a comment this week on a nationally syndicated radio program that might have some legitimacy. The host was interviewing a former NFL defensive player who was asked to compare the MSU and Ole Miss defenses. He said he thought that both teams had elite defensive players and that OM's secondary was not more talented than MSU as many think. Rather he attributed OM's greater success in the secondary to the defensive scheme they are running which, according to him, is similar to the scheme the Seattle Seahawks run. He said it put OM's secondary in a better position to make plays.
Not a complete analysis, but since someone said on here yesterday that Kimdechee should be a heisman contender I decided to look up his and Chris Jones stats.
RK - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 QBH
CJ - 15 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 3 QBH
Its probably safe to say CJ has played nearly half the amount of snaps Kimdechee has also
RK - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 1 QBH
CJ - 15 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 3 QBH
Its probably safe to say CJ has played nearly half the amount of snaps Kimdechee has also
We rotate 3 complete lines (Johnson, Nkemdiche, Hamilton, Brown, then Haynes, Gross, Bennett, Ward, then Youngblood, Hooks, Martin, and Thompson, though the rotations may vary.) Our LB spots are 2 deep with the 3rd guy playing 3rd for both spots. (Bryant, Nkemdiche at Stinger, Shackleford, Russell at MLB, and SR Keith Lewis plays both) Our secondary is missing 3 players (1 starter) already and is still considered by some to be the best in the conference.
It's by far the deepest defense Ole Miss has had since the '60's and it is showing. The defense has given up just 6 touchdowns through 6 games, and two of those were garbage time against A&M. Opponents tend to drive occasionally but their drives just seem to die outside of field goal range and throwing into the end zone has just been a no-no. We don't get a lot of sacks so some perceive us as having a weak pass rush, but that's inaccurate I think. We have gotten away with rushing 3 or 4 most of the year and get just enough pressure to force errant decisions, resulting in low completion percentages and high interception volume.
I think Ole Miss has a better overall defense right now. MSU probably has the 2nd best in the conference right now though. Both are probably top 10 nationally.
It's by far the deepest defense Ole Miss has had since the '60's and it is showing. The defense has given up just 6 touchdowns through 6 games, and two of those were garbage time against A&M. Opponents tend to drive occasionally but their drives just seem to die outside of field goal range and throwing into the end zone has just been a no-no. We don't get a lot of sacks so some perceive us as having a weak pass rush, but that's inaccurate I think. We have gotten away with rushing 3 or 4 most of the year and get just enough pressure to force errant decisions, resulting in low completion percentages and high interception volume.
I think Ole Miss has a better overall defense right now. MSU probably has the 2nd best in the conference right now though. Both are probably top 10 nationally.
Someone said Mississippi's defense was more explosive? Wow.
Sacks:
Mississippi - 11 - T80th
MSU - 21 - T9th
Tackles for loss:
Mississippi - 42 - T33rd
MSU - 48 - T8th
These are the stats our staff have placed an emphasis on that's why I looked at those.
Mississippi is #2 in scoring defense while MSU is #2 in redzone defense.
The difference in our defense & theirs is the big plays we gave up against UAB & the garbage time passing yardage to LSU & A&M. They gave up some to A&M as well but not near as much.
Offenses faced are ranked very similar too.
Sacks:
Mississippi - 11 - T80th
MSU - 21 - T9th
Tackles for loss:
Mississippi - 42 - T33rd
MSU - 48 - T8th
These are the stats our staff have placed an emphasis on that's why I looked at those.
Mississippi is #2 in scoring defense while MSU is #2 in redzone defense.
The difference in our defense & theirs is the big plays we gave up against UAB & the garbage time passing yardage to LSU & A&M. They gave up some to A&M as well but not near as much.
Offenses faced are ranked very similar too.
The biggest thing our defense has done is no long touchdowns. No big busted plays for the most part
Stats say we are the best in the SEC in limiting red zone opportunities - I think OP has it correct in that to score on us, it will more likely be a big hitter (e.g. UAB, LSU) and they have done a better job of limiting the big pass plays.
It's apparent that you haven't looked at stats. MSU likely has the best redzone defense in college football, because our defensive front 7 is the best in college football and teams can't run on us.
#1 Ole Miss has given up less points because they have been in closer games and needed to play their best late in the game, while MSU has been blowing people out. #2. MSU's secondary gave up some big plays to UAB and some garbage time scores.
I think both defenses are elite, with there no being much difference.
The biggest difference between OM and MSU is on offense.
I post our redzone D is #2 in all the land, & 13 minutes later there's a post saying their redzone D is better than ours. No I'm sorry they are not the 1 (ONE) team in front of us.
Actually
opponents are scoring 58% of the time (in the red zone) against MSU. Opponents are scoring 78% of the time vs OM, in the red zone.
opponents are scoring 58% of the time (in the red zone) against MSU. Opponents are scoring 78% of the time vs OM, in the red zone.
here are a few rankings from NCAA.com
Total d- us 87 them 13
pass d- us 120 them 21*
rush d- us 29 them 21
red zone d- us 2 them 42
scoring d- us 25 them 2
On the offensive side
total O- us 11 them 45
pass O- us 42 them 26
rush O- us 13 them 85
*- pass yds allowed. NCAA doesn't rank passing defense
If you want to compare strength of opponents, it's pretty much a push.
avg opponent total O- us 42 them 48
avg opponent total D- us 62 them 55
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22
Total d- us 87 them 13
pass d- us 120 them 21*
rush d- us 29 them 21
red zone d- us 2 them 42
scoring d- us 25 them 2
On the offensive side
total O- us 11 them 45
pass O- us 42 them 26
rush O- us 13 them 85
*- pass yds allowed. NCAA doesn't rank passing defense
If you want to compare strength of opponents, it's pretty much a push.
avg opponent total O- us 42 them 48
avg opponent total D- us 62 them 55
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22
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I don't know about that, but the schemes the two run are very different and I would think I tend to agree with him
to me Ole Miss is a lot more aggresive at the line of scrimmage than we are
I don't have the numbers but after reading the aTm article breaking our defense down ...I don't remember seeing a play where we sent more than 4 against Auburn
We also have very different offenses to which may dictate to the way the defense are ran.
We have been able to move the ball every game, ole miss has struggled some moving the ball against bama and others.
We may be more conservative, because our o goes fast and can create their own success
to me Ole Miss is a lot more aggresive at the line of scrimmage than we are
I don't have the numbers but after reading the aTm article breaking our defense down ...I don't remember seeing a play where we sent more than 4 against Auburn
We also have very different offenses to which may dictate to the way the defense are ran.
We have been able to move the ball every game, ole miss has struggled some moving the ball against bama and others.
We may be more conservative, because our o goes fast and can create their own success
According to the participation report against A&M:
Fadol Brown
Robert Nkemdiche
Bryon Bennett
CJ Johnson
Channing Ward
Marquis Haynes
Lavon Hooks
John Youngblood
Carlton Martin
Carlos Thompson
Woodrow Hamilton
Isaac Gross
He is listed as TE but he has played DL before. Not sure how he got in this game. Either way that's 11 or 12 guys.
I just wanted to look at the stats of them without having to actually look thru the roster.
Martin is part of the heavy package that includes Liggins at QB. I think Martin comes in as a TE or maybe even an H-back.
ETA: That doesn't mean he hasn't gotten some snaps as a DL. But I'm sure he is part of that heavy package, so he would show in the participation chart if Liggins comes in at QB.
ETA: That doesn't mean he hasn't gotten some snaps as a DL. But I'm sure he is part of that heavy package, so he would show in the participation chart if Liggins comes in at QB.
The key thing in those 3 close games in the 4th quarter is that the OM defense played their best at the end of the game. They gave up 0 points in each of those 3 games during the 4th quarter. So depth definitely doesn't seem to be an issue for them late in a game.