Stein say something controversial....?

[Im The Village Idiot]

Nothingburger. A coach wants a rowdy home crowd. I hear water can get pretty wet as well while we are at it.

Team Stein over Team Whine

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I was worried the flask comment would come back to him. Probably not the smartest thing to say.

In an age of feministic political correctness and policy, I get so tired of people saying, "probably not the smartest thing to say."

We need to bring back edgy, unsafe statements. This society has become one giant Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs, tucking the collective male ying yang out of view while wearing women's clothing and dancing to "Goodbye Horses" as we ink corporate and social policies.

It's tiring. Say more things that strike up conversation. I like it. Pope and Stoops are/were as lame as any coaches could ever hope to be. We desperately need some edginess in the bluegrass.

 

[CatsDomain]

Pretty sure people already sneak in alcohol to sporting events. Lol

Way too many binoculars. Lol!

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

In an age of feministic political correctness and policy, I get so tired of people saying, "probably not the smartest thing to say."

We need to bring back edgy, unsafe statements. This society has become one giant Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs, tucking the collective male ying yang out of view while wearing women's clothing and dancing to "Goodbye Horses" as we ink corporate and social policies.

It's tiring. Say more things that strike up conversation. I like it. Pope and Stoops are/were as lame as any coaches could ever hope to be. We desperately need some edginess in the bluegrass.

I’d argue that a measured approach is perfectly masculine, whereas reckless and wild emotional outbursts generally are not. As a huge fan of the debate sphere, I watch this play out every single day where I see many (who I am generally a fan of) give up the potential for more persuasive argumentation that matches the profile of the biblical masculinity that was advocated for men long past who were willing to die for their efforts, many times brutally with multitudes of stones or by death of crucifix. Sadly, I believe we have lost sight of the epistemological foundation of what masculinity is…. And believe me, as a very traditionally-oriented person in this regard, I’m very happy to see the excitement for young men to return to what made men “men” rather than open subjugation and societal castration that came about by the postmodern sexual revolution which his distorted the fabric of reality for many, leading to a swath of nihilism that was an obvious logical conclusion of secular humanism. And no — I’m definitely not the standard myself. I’m simply acknowledging we need to be more precise as men of this persuasion. If you disagree that’s fine…you’re always welcome to have such meta discussions with me if you so wish. You’re free to message me about them if you have questions about why I say this, as I know my posts would get taken down but I’m sure private messages are safe.

I hope we all remember to bring back the godly character of manhood. And that absolutely doesn’t look the limp wristed cowardice egalitarianism that’s been shoved down our throats by a godless curriculum. Nor is it the red-pilled godless distortion that we are now pumping into the bloodstreams our youth. We must ask WHO determines the correct disposition of manhood and the answer is not the thought leaders of movements that I may largely agree with.

Excuse all the grammatical errors. I can barely type on this tiny phone. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk lol

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I’d argue that a measured approach is perfectly masculine, whereas reckless and wild emotional outbursts generally are not. As a huge fan of the debate sphere, I watch this play out every single day where I see many (who I am generally a fan of) give up the potential for more persuasive argumentation that matches the profile of the biblical masculinity that was advocated for men long past who were willing to die for their efforts, many times brutally with multitudes of stones or by death of crucifix. Sadly, I believe we have lost sight of the epistemological foundation of what masculinity is…. And believe me, as a very traditionally-oriented person in this regard, I’m very happy to see the excitement for young men to return to what made men “men” rather than open subjugation and societal castration that came about by the postmodern sexual revolution which his distorted the fabric of reality for many, leading to a swath of nihilism that was an obvious logical conclusion of secular humanism. And no — I’m definitely not the standard myself. I’m simply acknowledging we need to be more precise as men of this persuasion. If you disagree that’s fine…you’re always welcome to have such meta discussions with me if you so wish. You’re free to message me about them if you have questions about why I say this, as I know my posts would get taken down but I’m sure private messages are safe.

I hope we all remember to bring back the godly character of manhood. And that absolutely doesn’t look the limp wristed cowardice egalitarianism that’s been shoved down our throats by a godless curriculum. Nor is it the red-pilled godless distortion that we are now pumping into the bloodstreams our youth. We must ask WHO determines the correct disposition of manhood and the answer is not the thought leaders of movements that I may largely agree with.

Excuse all the grammatical errors. I can barely type on this tiny phone. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk lol

Good thoughts. I wonder if the average person who is arguing for polite discourse in the modern age thought it particularly "masculine" when the prophets spoke on behalf of God and used explicit sexual analogy to get their points across such as comparing the Israelites to women spreading their legs, emitting their man seed like horses, or women wiping their mouths after sex, etc.? Was it masculine when Paul admitted to the Corinthian church that he considered coming to them with a "rod" but relented to Christ-honoring love instead? Was it masculine when Nehemiah smacked his naysayers in the face and pulled their beards out, or when Jesus called his opponents "sons of hell", "children of the devil", and a "brood of vipers" out in public, in front of the full community? Was it masculine when Elijah called out the false prophets and their gods who he said were too busy popping a squat in their toilets to intervene? Was David masculine when he routinely asked God to wipe out his enemies, mocked them both privately and publicly, and prayed for them to have their teeth broken in their mouths, while openly praying for their deaths? The list goes on and on and on. All of these moments were impolite. All of them were not politically correct. Yet, all of them were biblically masculine.

Biblical masculinity isn't always so measured by modern feminist standards. It's actually often clear and honest. Also, I fully understand that we are under the New Covenant. Yet, what does that mean? Does it mean that we adopt a PC tenor because our culture tells us to. Meanwhile the same people who insist on this often cheer on the deaths of Charlie Kirk, call for the "right" to exterminate the unborn, and find "empathy" for the likes of Lindsay Clancy? Seems the pendulum for requiring "politeness" often only tilts against Christians, and in particular, tilts against Christian men. I think the modern call for this type of one-sided politeness is used for nothing more than a mechanism to try to silence Godly men.

I do agree with you that hyper emotionalism is feminine, but who is making the case for that? Certainly not me. I would actually suggest that quiet emotionalism that self-censors a man against following the role of his masculinity is just as detrimental as outlandish public outbursts of emotionalism. Both are dictated by fear, and both inhibit a man from doing what God has called him to do.

So I guess when you write, "I'd argue," to whom and what are you actually arguing? Seems like a rabbit trail you created on your own, with absolutely nothing to do with what I actually suggested in my post.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Good thoughts. I wonder if the average person who is arguing for polite discourse in the modern age thought it particularly "masculine" when the prophets spoke on behalf of God and used explicit sexual analogy to get their points across such as comparing the Israelites to women spreading their legs, emitting their man seed like horses, or women wiping their mouths after sex, etc.? Was it masculine when Paul admitted to the Corinthian church that he considered coming to them with a "rod" but relented to Christ-honoring love instead? Was it masculine when Nehemiah smacked his naysayers in the face and pulled their beards out, or when Jesus called his opponents "sons of hell", "children of the devil", and a "brood of vipers" out in public, in front of the full community? Was it masculine when Elijah called out the false prophets and their gods who he said were too busy popping a squat in their toilets to intervene? Was David masculine when he routinely asked God to wipe out his enemies, mocked them both privately and publicly, and prayed for them to have their teeth broken in their mouths, while openly praying for their deaths? The list goes on and on and on. All of these moments were impolite. All of them were not politically correct. Yet, all of them were biblically masculine.

Biblical masculinity isn't always so measured by modern feminist standards. It's actually often brutally honest.

I do agree with you that emotionalism is feminine, but who is making the case for that? Certainly not me. I would actually suggest that quiet emotionalism that self-censors a man against following the role of his masculinity is just as detrimental as outlandish public outbursts of emotionalism. Both are dictated by fear, and both inhibit a man from doing what God has called him to do.

So I guess when you write, "I'd argue," to whom and what are you actually arguing? Seems like a rabbit trail you created on your own, with absolutely nothing to do with what I actually suggested in my post.

I don’t disagree that any of those things were anything other than masculine. They were also measured and steeped in a holy and righteous love for the will of God to be executed. In other words, they were not done to elevate man, but rather done to exalt Christ. There are somewhere between 100-900 references to humility in the Bible, depending on how narrowly you want to define that. It is a feature that receives much more attention in the Word than apparent masculine traits that we are talking about here. Do we view the frequent longings and weepings of the Psalmists, Paul, Jeremiah and Jesus himself as masculine? Do we view the overly affectionate behaviors of Christian brethren who’d greet one another with a holy kiss as masculine? Do we view the constant talks of longing desperately to see friends of the faith soon again as masculine? We’ve somewhat lost the full scope is my point and it wasn’t even necessarily a rebuke of your post. I actually quite liked your post as I agree with your view. I’m simply pointing out that there is poison being introduced in the same package with many of the calls for masculinity in our present day by thought leaders, where we would see something like this being largely avoided in the discussion:

Psalm 6:6-7

I am weary with my moaning;
every night I flood my bed with tears;
I drench my couch with my weeping.
7 My eye wastes away because of grief;
it grows weak because of all my foes.


Now, admittedly we see many forsaking passages like Psalm 3 also. Its all a part of the cake. I just hope we don’t overcorrect as a culture and forget that humility is the delight of God and that our boast is in Him, not in us.

If you’d like to continue the discussion, you’re welcome to do it privately. I was concerned this would become too specific and I know how these things work. My post will most certainly get taken down now.

 

[BBNinSCar]

Oh please. Harmless.

Guess what else? It’s been happening for years at Commonwealth. From 12-15 years old I schlepped trays of sodas to the furthest reaches of the stadium and do you know how many amateur mixologists asked for only “half filled cokes” or poured half out in front of me? Hollow stadium seats with pour spouts between the legs? Cmon… for as long as it was disallowed people found a way. Even after it’s been allowed and people were charged exorbitant fees for it people found a way. Long before Stein made a joke to fire up the fanbase.

There is a certain decorum expected of and even stipulated in Stein’s job description.
I don’t want to see our coach getting into those muddy areas.

 

[BBNinSCar]

In an age of feministic political correctness and policy, I get so tired of people saying, "probably not the smartest thing to say."

We need to bring back edgy, unsafe statements. This society has become one giant Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs, tucking the collective male ying yang out of view while wearing women's clothing and dancing to "Goodbye Horses" as we ink corporate and social policies.

It's tiring. Say more things that strike up conversation. I like it. Pope and Stoops are/were as lame as any coaches could ever hope to be. We desperately need some edginess in the bluegrass.

That is not the measure of a man. There is a certain grace and sensibility that goes with it.
It’s humility and respect for the rules. You look young and stupid trying to be “edgy”.

 

[Blu-ish]

I think it is relatively easy for a coach to request the crowd to be loud and proud without encouraging drunkenness and public profanity at a family oriented activity.

 

[flacat22]

There is a certain decorum expected of and even stipulated in Stein’s job description.
I don’t want to see our coach getting into those muddy areas.

How did Stoops’ decorum work out the past three years? Said all the “right” things, said nothing at times, pouted, told us fans to “pony up…” Was the fanbase enthused by his decorum? Did it put asses in the seats? The team reflects the attitude of the coach. Stoops’ Eeyore attitude filtered down and no one gave a crap anymore including the fans. I love that Stein is injecting a little juice into things and hopefully it translates to results on the field. The pearl clutchers need to get over it, Tom Landry and Hank Stram aren’t walking through that door anymore.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

That is not the measure of a man. There is a certain grace and sensibility that goes with it.
It’s humility and respect for the rules. You look young and stupid trying to be “edgy”.

Let's be safe and make sure everyone isn't offended, testing the winds before we say anything, even in jest, even in light-hearted humor? That's the measure of a man? Safe speech?

It's fascinating that you couldn't get your point across without throwing in an insult. You want everyone to be PC and follow your script, but the second someone breaks rank and questions your position, you jump to the ad hominems.

That shows incredible "decorum."

 

[phunterd]

I’m not offended by Stein’s comments but he could’ve worded that much better. Last week, we had all of kids with us and they’re 9 and younger. I don’t want some profane idiot(s) around us. It’s not enjoyable.

 

[CB3UK]

 

[Feral Manatee]

It's lame as hell that the PC police are after the guy over a somewhat sarcastic comment like that. Basically, "do what you've gotta do" to be fired up and rowdy for an afternoon game. Who hasn't brought a flask into a football game and asked for their soda to be light on the ice? Get real.

I don't even drink and I'm progressive politically but I hate the retiring of traditions like the Bourbon Barrel for the UK/UT game. It's silly. People drink. Just try not to throw up in my aisle like that woman did one year. I'm sober but I can handle drunks as long as they aren't completely out of control.

 

[FilsonCat]

Stein’s days in Commonwealth predated the sale of beer.

Beer is a hard way to get ready for an afternoon game.

Except for that one time in Massachusetts, but that's different.

 

[Grumpy Old Geezer]

The call for 'cursing and yelling obscenities ' to the opposing team is uncalled for and will no doubt come back to bite Stein in the butt for that comment.

 

[Hunting9]

He didn’t mean his comments ‘literally’. He’s the new coach trying to make UK football relevant for once. So far he’s done everything right .. just let him coach and fans be fans and stop preaching stupid stuff.

 

[Grumpy Old Geezer]

He didn’t mean his comments ‘literally’. He’s the new coach trying to make UK football relevant for once. So far he’s done everything right .. just let him coach and fans be fans and stop preaching stupid stuff.

Watch and learn my friend......