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Step 1: Cruz takes Iowa, complete

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As I said, Trump is all paper support. He has a loudmouth low information voter crowd who don't really turn out to vote.

Next step, Bernie takes NH and the wheels start coming off for Hillary.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
As I said, Trump is all paper support. He has a loudmouth low information voter crowd who don't really turn out to vote.

Next step, Bernie takes NH and the wheels start coming off for Hillary.
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Bernie should win nh but that doesn't equate to wheels coming off for Hillary.

Personally, I think Iowa was a win for Marco more than Cruz. The GOP is still up in the air.
 
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Trump actually did pretty good considering the lack of a real ground game suited for Iowa. Glad Marco kept it close like he did, but I hate seeing Cruz win.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
As I said, Trump is all paper support. He has a loudmouth low information voter crowd who don't really turn out to vote.

Next step, Bernie takes NH and the wheels start coming off for Hillary.
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I hope Step 3 is Cruz loses every primary.
 
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Guys, you have to get in the head of the early Hillary and Trump supporter. There is a sizable percentage on both sides who support those candidates simply because they are perceived to be winners. They are the popular choice and people who don't follow politics or care about politics are going to cast their vote for who they think everyone else is going to vote for. I mean how can everyone else be wrong? That must be the right choice. Voting for Hillary or Trump is for the most part the lazy and uninformed vote, it's the easy vote. By bloodying their noses, the story changes from Trump the unstoppable and Hillary the coronated to "Trump being out of his element and needing to stick to business" and Hillary, "it's happening again just like in 08".

You have to show they can be beat and that's what these early races are going to show.

And I'm by no means a fan of Cruz. Here are a couple of things I did not know.

More people voted for a 2nd place Trump than a 1st place Huckabee in previous elections. Sounds like the GOP is coming out in droves.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Guys, you have to get in the head of the early Hillary and Trump supporter. There is a sizable percentage on both sides who support those candidates simply because they are perceived to be winners. They are the popular choice and people who don't follow politics or care about politics are going to cast their vote for who they think everyone else is going to vote for. I mean how can everyone else be wrong? That must be the right choice. Voting for Hillary or Trump is for the most part the lazy and uninformed vote, it's the easy vote. By bloodying their noses, the story changes from Trump the unstoppable and Hillary the coronated to "Trump being out of his element and needing to stick to business" and Hillary, "it's happening again just like in 08".

You have to show they can be beat and that's what these early races are going to show.

And I'm by no means a fan of Cruz. Here are a couple of things I did not know.

More people voted for a 2nd place Trump than a 1st place Huckabee in previous elections. Sounds like the GOP is coming out in droves.
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If the narrative is what you are talking about, networks have been saying Cruz may take Iowa due to the high concentration holy rollers but Trump should dominate everywhere else.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Guys, you have to get in the head of the early Hillary and Trump supporter. There is a sizable percentage on both sides who support those candidates simply because they are perceived to be winners. They are the popular choice and people who don't follow politics or care about politics are going to cast their vote for who they think everyone else is going to vote for. I mean how can everyone else be wrong? That must be the right choice. Voting for Hillary or Trump is for the most part the lazy and uninformed vote, it's the easy vote. By bloodying their noses, the story changes from Trump the unstoppable and Hillary the coronated to "Trump being out of his element and needing to stick to business" and Hillary, "it's happening again just like in 08".

You have to show they can be beat and that's what these early races are going to show.

And I'm by no means a fan of Cruz. Here are a couple of things I did not know.

More people voted for a 2nd place Trump than a 1st place Huckabee in previous elections. Sounds like the GOP is coming out in droves.
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Turnout apparently set records, especially for Reps. That bodes well for them if that enthusiasm continues into other states.

Hillary should be a little worried however. It basically took coin flips for her to win.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
As I said, Trump is all paper support. He has a loudmouth low information voter crowd who don't really turn out to vote.

Next step, Bernie takes NH and the wheels start coming off for Hillary.
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Imo it's a little early to be declaring winners and losers, small sample size.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Guys, you have to get in the head of the early Hillary and Trump supporter. There is a sizable percentage on both sides who support those candidates simply because they are perceived to be winners. They are the popular choice and people who don't follow politics or care about politics are going to cast their vote for who they think everyone else is going to vote for. I mean how can everyone else be wrong? That must be the right choice. Voting for Hillary or Trump is for the most part the lazy and uninformed vote, it's the easy vote. By bloodying their noses, the story changes from Trump the unstoppable and Hillary the coronated to "Trump being out of his element and needing to stick to business" and Hillary, "it's happening again just like in 08".

You have to show they can be beat and that's what these early races are going to show.

And I'm by no means a fan of Cruz. Here are a couple of things I did not know.

More people voted for a 2nd place Trump than a 1st place Huckabee in previous elections. Sounds like the GOP is coming out in droves.
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Are you out of your mind? Trump has never been in politics before. He didn't have a big political ground game in Iowa. He owes nothing to anybody. Cruz , Rubio, Clinton and Sanders are party machine candidates. If people really want to change things they need to vote Trump.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
As I said, Trump is all paper support. He has a loudmouth low information voter crowd who don't really turn out to vote.

Next step, Bernie takes NH and the wheels start coming off for Hillary.
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I didn't think Trump would make it this far...I don't think he'll lose support over a 2nd place finish. I am not enamored with any of the GOP leaders.

As for the Peoples Socialist Party of America (aka Dems) - very much not enamored with any of their leaders either. Had Joe Biden entered the contest I might listen - the one thing I liked about him was his willingness (as it appears to me) to work with people.
 
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ThatNehlenFeelin said:
If the narrative is what you are talking about, networks have been saying Cruz may take Iowa due to the high concentration holy rollers but Trump should dominate everywhere else.
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Cruz taking Iowa is basically due to the religious right. He won't take NH. We'll see how well Trump does in NH. I think coming in 2nd (almost 3rd) is telling in that while his supporters are very loud they don't actually show up to vote. Which is good.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Cruz taking Iowa is basically due to the religious right. He won't take NH. We'll see how well Trump does in NH. I think coming in 2nd (almost 3rd) is telling in that while his supporters are very loud they don't actually show up to vote. Which is good.
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I must not be religious right. I would never consider voting for Cruz. I could almost swallow Rubio, except for his stance on H-1B's
 
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TarHeelEer said:
I must not be religious right. I would never consider voting for Cruz. I could almost swallow Rubio, except for his stance on H-1B's
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You also don't live in Iowa. Huckabee won the damn thing previously.
 
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Santorum, Huckabee and now Cruz shows that Iowa will always lean towards the most religious acting candidate. In the big picture the top 3 are essentially tied as Cruz has 7 and Trump/Rubio have 6.
 
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The Iowa Caucuses are like the Heisman's. Winners typically don't go on to great glory.
 
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Like it or not (and I don't for the record), Iowa has correctly picked the President 5 out of the last 6 elections, and 4 of those 5 were Democrats.
 
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countryroads89 said:
Like it or not (and I don't for the record), Iowa has correctly picked the President 5 out of the last 6 elections, and 4 of those 5 were Democrats.
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Well they have not accurately represented the GOP field as the winner in Iowa in not necessarily who ends up being the candidate.
 
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countryroads89 said:
Like it or not (and I don't for the record), Iowa has correctly picked the President 5 out of the last 6 elections, and 4 of those 5 were Democrats.
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Huh...a winner of the Iowa caucus has won the general election 3 times since 1976 > 76 - Carter, 00 - Bush, and 08 - Obama
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Guys, you have to get in the head of the early Hillary and Trump supporter. There is a sizable percentage on both sides who support those candidates simply because they are perceived to be winners. They are the popular choice and people who don't follow politics or care about politics are going to cast their vote for who they think everyone else is going to vote for. I mean how can everyone else be wrong? That must be the right choice. Voting for Hillary or Trump is for the most part the lazy and uninformed vote, it's the easy vote. By bloodying their noses, the story changes from Trump the unstoppable and Hillary the coronated to "Trump being out of his element and needing to stick to business" and Hillary, "it's happening again just like in 08".

You have to show they can be beat and that's what these early races are going to show.

And I'm by no means a fan of Cruz. Here are a couple of things I did not know.

More people voted for a 2nd place Trump than a 1st place Huckabee in previous elections. Sounds like the GOP is coming out in droves.
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Dog, I believe you are taking too much from Iowa. It has been, and probably still is, a production with them in the lime light. Iowa is normally not indicative of what is to follow. Uneducated voters? Dems are not going to vote for a Socialist to run the country. All of the rich 1% are not totally
Repubs, There are a few rich Dems - probably about equal. Socialist policies of taxation and others are a little excessive. The average Dem is super liberal for give away, but when they are expected to pay at 90% rate, they become a bit conservative at that point.

Hillary also has not felt the benefit of the black vote yet. She will kick *** in SC and the SEC primaries. Cruz will probably carry Tx, but other states are suspect. Republican is still up in the air. The Donald is going to get his share, IMO. Wouldn't be surprised if JEB gets some movement the rest of the month. SEC is going to tell a hell of a story, and then you start looking at the "have to" states.
 
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countryroads89 said:
http://www.270towin.com/states/Iowa
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Thought you were talking about the caucus not the general election

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exam...ecord-predicting-presidents/story?id=36598193



 
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