Steve Sarkisian and Texas…

psu31trap

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Can UT bring him back next year after this utter dumpster fire? They’re now out $54 million between Hermann and Sark. Madness.

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If the Texas fans (and donors) remain patient Steve Sarkisian will turn things around. He’s a very good HC and a fantastic recruiter. His recruiting class is ranked 6th in the country and next year he’s projected to bring in another top 10 class. He needs at least 3 seasons to turn things around, expecting him to work miracles in 1 years is unrealistic.
 

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If the Texas fans (and donors) remain patient Steve Sarkisian will turn things around. He’s a very good HC and a fantastic recruiter. His recruiting class is ranked 6th in the country and next year he’s projected to bring in another top 10 class. He needs at least 3 seasons to turn things around, expecting him to work miracles in 1 years is unrealistic.
Just my .02. expecting him to go 7-5 in a very bad Big 12 conference is not asking too much and is certainly not asking for a miracle. Hermann also recruited well IIRC.
 

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Ugh…..my son should have went to UGA, he was pissed they wait listed him..Clemson, UF and Texas all crap seasons…SMH
 
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Texas is a victim of their own hubris, much like Nebraska. They got impatient with Herman and now it's costing them. I don't think Sark is really all that much better a coach.

As for the buyouts, any school in their right mind would do themselves a favor by not having such a monster buyout for firing coaches. It happens everywhere and yet they insist on putting tens of millions of dollars into buyouts. Is Charlie Weis still getting paid by Kansas or ND?
 
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If the Texas fans (and donors) remain patient Steve Sarkisian will turn things around. He’s a very good HC and a fantastic recruiter. His recruiting class is ranked 6th in the country and next year he’s projected to bring in another top 10 class. He needs at least 3 seasons to turn things around, expecting him to work miracles in 1 years is unrealistic.

Can't judge a guy by one year, but his history at USC and Wash don't show that he was a very good HC.
 

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If the Texas fans (and donors) remain patient Steve Sarkisian will turn things around. He’s a very good HC and a fantastic recruiter. His recruiting class is ranked 6th in the country and next year he’s projected to bring in another top 10 class. He needs at least 3 seasons to turn things around, expecting him to work miracles in 1 years is unrealistic.
Will he? I’m not confident about that. Texas wasn’t utopia, but should a competent coach have done better than 7 losses?

I have no skin in the game, but the situation is fascinating. You have a damaged goods head coach with a so-so track record who was brought into a powder keg program that expects superb results.

If this isn’t the poster child of what’s wrong with college football, I don’t know what is.
 

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Will he? I’m not confident about that. Texas wasn’t utopia, but should a competent coach have done better than 7 losses?

I have no skin in the game, but the situation is fascinating. You have a damaged goods head coach with a so-so track record who was brought into a powder keg program that expects superb results.

If this isn’t the poster child of what’s wrong with college football, I don’t know what is.
I would certainly have thought he would have done better. Did not expect 10-11 wins but playing in the B12 you would have thought 8-4 is very achievable. There is a ton of talent on the team. It seems like after they choked the game away against Okie they basically folded in the tent. Not a good sign for Sark that he lost the team. I doubt they sh__ can him after this season just because of the $ involved and negative PR onslaught (although I thought the same thing with Mullen) but he will be on a very short leash next season.
 

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I would certainly have thought he would have done better. Did not expect 10-11 wins but playing in the B12 you would have thought 8-4 is very achievable. There is a ton of talent on the team. It seems like after they choked the game away against Okie they basically folded in the tent. Not a good sign for Sark that he lost the team. I doubt they sh__ can him after this season just because of the $ involved and negative PR onslaught (although I thought the same thing with Mullen) but he will be on a very short leash next season.
Is the B12 that weak or are the teams tougher than we think. I mean Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and West Virginia are no walk in the park. Right? Three of these teams are ranked in the top 10 and OSU just might make the playoffs.
 

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Is the B12 that weak or are the teams tougher than we think. I mean Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and West Virginia are no walk in the park. Right? Three of these teams are ranked in the top 10 and OSU just might make the playoffs.
Good point. I think the competition is good (Baylor, Okie State, Iowa St., Okie) but he did not inherit a rebuild. He definitely should have won more games. Losing to Kansas and WVU is weak. Getting blown out by Iowa State and not competitive against Arkansas is not good. Like I said, he will get at least another year but he may need to win 10 games next year or at least win 9 and beat Okie or it could be bye bye.
 

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Texas is a victim of their own hubris, much like Nebraska. They got impatient with Herman and now it's costing them. I don't think Sark is really all that much better a coach.

As for the buyouts, any school in their right mind would do themselves a favor by not having such a monster buyout for firing coaches. It happens everywhere and yet they insist on putting tens of millions of dollars into buyouts. Is Charlie Weis still getting paid by Kansas or ND?

Schools don't have much choice on the buyout amounts. Want the hot coach, pay the big bucks. If a school is okay with hiring Bob Numbnuts, it can proabbly get away with a small buyout.

As for Jolly Chollie, believe he stopped collecting about 4-5 years ago.
 

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Texas is a victim of their own hubris, much like Nebraska. They got impatient with Herman and now it's costing them. I don't think Sark is really all that much better a coach.

As for the buyouts, any school in their right mind would do themselves a favor by not having such a monster buyout for firing coaches. It happens everywhere and yet they insist on putting tens of millions of dollars into buyouts. Is Charlie Weis still getting paid by Kansas or ND?
Texas hubris>>> Nebraska
 

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I would certainly have thought he would have done better. Did not expect 10-11 wins but playing in the B12 you would have thought 8-4 is very achievable. There is a ton of talent on the team. It seems like after they choked the game away against Okie they basically folded in the tent. Not a good sign for Sark that he lost the team. I doubt they sh__ can him after this season just because of the $ involved and negative PR onslaught (although I thought the same thing with Mullen) but he will be on a very short leash next season.
I think that the collapses of both Texas and Florida are indications of problems with the players - not much leadership, not much commitment to each other. Sark's in his first year, so most of the roster isn't his; it's not entirely his fault that the older guys who should have been leaders didn't buy in. Mullen was in his 4th year, so he was playing with a roster of his creation. They played well against Alabama, but seemed to just quit in October, particularly on the defensive side. That's on Mullen for either losing the team or building a roster short on leadership. If it's the later, the next guy has a fair bit of housecleaning to do.
 
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I think that the collapses of both Texas and Florida are indications of problems with the players - not much leadership, not much commitment to each other. Sark's in his first year, so most of the roster isn't his; it's not entirely his fault that the older guys who should have been leaders didn't buy in. Mullen was in his 4th year, so he was playing with a roster of his creation. They played well against Alabama, but seemed to just quit in October, particularly on the defensive side. That's on Mullen for either losing the team or building a roster short on leadership. If it's the later, the next guy has a fair bit of housecleaning to do.
Athletes today have no alliance to the school that draft them out of HS. A couple of years ago Florida played in a bowl game and I believe four or five key athletes did not play because they entered the draft, no commitment or alliance to the program. I sometimes believe building a team with 3* and 4* athletes who will stay all four years give the best chance at a playoff game.
 
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Athletes today have no alliance to the school that draft them out of HS. A couple of years ago Florida played in a bowl game and I believe four or five key athletes did not play because they entered the draft, no commitment or alliance to the program. I sometimes believe building a team with 3* and 4* athletes who will stay all four years give the best chance at a playoff game.
I heard one of the TV talking heads talk about teams having kids who are focused on personal goals to the point of being all but indifferent to their college team's success and used this year's Florida as an example. I don't think that mindset is true of all elite prospects or even most of them, but there are enough of them that it's another risk and challenge that coaches have to overcome when trying to build a team.
I have mixed feelings about the players who sit out bowl games. One one hand, if you're a 1st or 2nd round pick, do you risk major injury playing in an extra game that results only in winning a trophy most fans don't care about? On the other, if you're that same player how much different is sitting out the rest of season once your team is eliminated from any chance at winning even a conference title from sitting out a "meaningless" bowl game. One seems like propecting oneself and the other seems like abandoning your team, although I don't think I can explain exactly why.
 
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Athletes today have no alliance to the school that draft them out of HS. A couple of years ago Florida played in a bowl game and I believe four or five key athletes did not play because they entered the draft, no commitment or alliance to the program. I sometimes believe building a team with 3* and 4* athletes who will stay all four years give the best chance at a playoff game.

Its a good point, its how some of these mid-major basketball teams have big upsets and go deep in the NCAA basketball tournament. Damn good players, been developed and seasoned for 4 years, been playing together and in that system for some time, mature/experienced. Not quite good enough to have the NBA calling, but good solid players. Run into a Kentucky who is jump out of the gym athletic, big, but super young and inexperienced, new guys every year. Its a model that certainly works in college football and exists, but it's harder over the course of an entire season in a sport that is so slanted to size/speed being the big determinants. I've sort of mentioned that for Penn State to ever beat OSU, they are going to have to hit the transfer portal hard, and we are going to have to find a magical way to get high end starters to come back. Catch OSU in a year when they are particularly inexperienced and we are the other way around. Problem(not really a problem per se) is that we recruit the same types of high end recruits that project to the NFL and will go at first sniff as they do.
 
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It’s funny because the same year Texas hired Charlie Strong was the same year PSU hired James Franklin. 3 coaches later for UT and people complain about Franklin but what program would you rather root for now? Like many have said when it comes to running coaches off…be careful what you wish for.
 

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Texas has enough money to do anything they want to- even if it's stupid. Their fans are still living in the era when Texas was actually good, so expect more stupid.
 

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It’s funny because the same year Texas hired Charlie Strong was the same year PSU hired James Franklin. 3 coaches later for UT and people complain about Franklin but what program would you rather root for now? Like many have said when it comes to running coaches off…be careful what you wish for.
I gave you a like not only because I agree, but you are part of the "ro" family of posters. ;)
 
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Athletes today have no alliance to the school that draft them out of HS. A couple of years ago Florida played in a bowl game and I believe four or five key athletes did not play because they entered the draft, no commitment or alliance to the program. I sometimes believe building a team with 3* and 4* athletes who will stay all four years give the best chance at a playoff game.
Bama, O$U, UO, and Clemson beg to differ.