That would have been Chris Brooks show on Friday I believe. Everyone who keeps calling him such a homer must not listen to his show. His sidekick Jackson Slams on OM all the time.
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That would have been Chris Brooks show on Friday I believe. Everyone who keeps calling him such a homer must not listen to his show. His sidekick Jackson Slams on OM all the time.
I definitely wouldn't want to bring in too many players with questionable attitudes, but this isn't basketball where you have 13 guys in the locker room and bringing in one Renardo Sidney type guy can fracture the team. If you have a good, disciplined culture established within a football program, guys either get on board or they get sent packing.....so if you have a chance to bring in an elite talent at a position of need then you do it because the potential reward far outweighs the risk.
Roy McClain was a poster on one of the State boards that used to post about Ole Miss having a Letter of Inquiry and an investigation coming all the time. Looks like he is finally right.
Kind of reminds me of that old TV show Wings where they were playing Trivial Pursuit and Lowell kept answering Anne Margaret on every question.
Don't jinx me, man. It was difficult to defend round 1 of Ole Miss' NCAA issues, but round 2 is different if it comes out like I think it will. I can't see the SEC ever letting another investigation like this happen, but it's gonna hit Ole Miss hard.
I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist here -- but the names being whispered as involved this noa -- could have probably made a loi disappear back in 2002.
Please explain what you mean by this statement. The SEC had no control over the fact that OM continued to cheat AFTER being on investigation, and had such a deep seeded system and culture of cheating in place that it took 4 years to sort it all out.
Chris, can you do a little investigative reporting and let us know whether the
amended NOA was always in play like most State people believe or was it caused by the Tunsil incident? I was told when the first letter came out that
there was more on the way. Yancy and his folks don't believe this.
amended NOA was always in play like most State people believe or was it caused by the Tunsil incident? I was told when the first letter came out that
there was more on the way. Yancy and his folks don't believe this.
Exactly...and that's a slippery slope for the SEC. Do you turn in your brother to the law for grand theft auto, or do you help him hide it in the barn, until evidence ends up getting YOU in trouble, as well
No need to get into a long thread without the official NOA out, and wouldn't be smart on my part. It might be different than I expect. I'll come back on here.
I like the investigative stuff so I don't look like an idiot but not the reporting part. Honestly, there's a lot of truth on both sides but that's hard to see when you're trying to be the only one right. Ole Miss could end up on the guilty end and victim end of this at the same time. I do believe there was still digging after the letter, and Ole Miss people would probably phrase it as still mud being slung around. But no doubt the Tunsil draft night greatly upped the intensity, and led to some investigative tools used that makes a lot of coaches around the league nervous.
the investigation is where it is because the sec didn't step in or om didnt listen. the sec cant stop an investigation, merely attempt to mitigate it once its happened. om made their bed. in the braggadocios and brazen manner they executed their plans to outright cheat at levels rarely seen, they deserve everything they get. its all hilarious and fun talking about the network until they take a steaming **** over your future...and that is what we now have. the sec could have and maybe tried to inadvertently tell om to pump the breaks, but it was so institutionalized that there was no turning back. you and i have no idea of the sec's input over this, but i doubt with all the smoke, they didnt try to intervene before it became a bridge too far. om made themselves the sacrificial lamb and there was nothing the sec office can do about that once you cross a line....and in this case, cross it repeatedly. once the stink is exposed, there is little the sec office can do especially when multiple members are plaintiffs in the ordeal. its not about letting it happen or not letting it happen. the office's duty is to step in where it can and try to curb behavior before its too late. once it becomes too late, om cant crawl to the office and beg for shelter when the other members are pushing them out the door.
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Where your theory loses traction is appreciating that the conference elites WANTED the shitheads to get anal 17d. The conference office doesn't take a **** without Saban knowing about it. The conference office didn't step in because the conference office was told not to.
I think the draft night fiasco just shined a spot-light on the continuing investigation much like the depositions from the Reggie Bush trial in the lawsuit from his "agent" forced the hand of the NCAA in the USC case. The NCAA cannot appear to give an offender a light punishment when their transgressions have been aired so loudly.
Yea, not sure much the SEC can do to stop the NCAA on something like this. I'm pretty sure this OM investigation all started while Slive was still around. And nobody had a tighter noose around SEC teams keeping things from going up to the NCAA level than he did (note the handling of the Cam Newton pay for play ordeal).
Agree with that. A lot of the NCAA investigations are partially to maintain the appearance that this is still amateur athletics while most everyone involved knows it's not. When something becomes as high profile as a Reggie Bush or the Tunsil draft thing, no way they can let it go. I'm still not sure anything new on Tunsil is even in there, but the NCAA can nail most any school on something if they want to badly enough.
I know that's an easy narrative considering the circumstances, and I realize I'm not gonna change anyone's mind on here but anyone who tells you that either doesn't know what they are talking about or is lying to you. That shouldn't make Ole Miss a victim or get them off the hook, but "levels rarely seen" isn't why they're in trouble.
Investigative tools used that make a lot of coaches around the league nervous??? Lol, the NCAA has been using immunity interviews for years. It's not something new that they pulled out to pick on poor little Ole Miss. They were used against Jackie Sherrill, Bruce Pearl, and many others.
News flash- UM is not getting any super tough, "special treatment" from the NCAA. This investigation is being handled just like many others. The only difference is that the culture of cheating and corruption at UM is so deep that it has taken years for them to uncover. That and you guys wouldn't even slow it down after knowing that an investigation was going on. It's your own damn fault.
News flash- UM is not getting any super tough, "special treatment" from the NCAA. This investigation is being handled just like many others. The only difference is that the culture of cheating and corruption at UM is so deep that it has taken years for them to uncover. That and you guys wouldn't even slow it down after knowing that an investigation was going on. It's your own damn fault.
its not an opinion that was told to me. its one i have witnessed. fyi, i am a former om student (under freeze's tenure nonetheless) as well as a former state student. i know how things went down and my opinion was my own. its not a narrative, its a reality. its really not that difficult to see why om is in the position they are in. its brought on by their own action, not lack of action from somewhere else. that is the divide.
David Saunders was the recruiting director 1998 to 2002.
There probably should have been an LOI. But doubtful one was sent.
There probably should have been an LOI. But doubtful one was sent.
your problem is that you think everyone else is adopting these tactics. that is not the case. sure, everyone cheats, but when you are a tier 3/4 program and you adopt tactics that tier 1/2 programs have used to get ahead on a much smaller scale, you are going to be slapped down with ferocity if that leads to winning. not only did om adopt new tactics, they did it on an extensive level and apparently across multiple sports. not only that, they bragged about it...combined, that was the rarely seen part i was talking about. surely you see that....they rubbed the whole conference's face in it...and now you expect the conference office to step in and help all while the members are the ones that turned you in. that is why there has been such limited response from the conference and why the om admin was found seeking other legal protection in ridgeland. little protection was found in birmingham for a reason.
Chris, appreciate you being here. My thoughts are you can't go from being a top
30 recruiting school to a top 5 recruiting school without getting very creative. Ole Miss got too creative and thought they could work their way through the investigation and
sanctions and just keep on keeping on. We will see.
30 recruiting school to a top 5 recruiting school without getting very creative. Ole Miss got too creative and thought they could work their way through the investigation and
sanctions and just keep on keeping on. We will see.
Fair enough. If we're talking reckless or foolish, I could go there with you. But unprecedented has not been my experience or what I hear from most others. There's a hierarchy that can generally be pieced together from rankings and who signs where.
We just brought in a ton of JUCO players that we are counting on to play significant minutes. Not saying we shouldn't take a risk on a player like AJ that fills a particular need for us (ignoring the fact that there's no way AJ ends up at State), but we are already bringing in enough upper classmen to risk changing our locker room culture.
I would agree if it was a 30 to 5 deal. But the 7 years before Freeze, Ole Miss averaged about 21 including an O to Nutt transition, and got as high as 15. The best 4 year run under Freeze averaged to 11 with a high of 5. Are 10 spots really a sign of unprecedented cheating? That's just not been what I've seen relative to what else is going on with college athletics.
You don't find the two best classes(rankings) by a nontraditional power in the history of recruiting rankings -- in a 4 year period -- unprecedented? Not just one absolutely elite class -- the two best. Ever. By anyone that would not be considered a college football blue blood. Two of Freeze's 4 classes were pretty close to what OM really is -- two were something else entirely.
That's the part that I don't understand by your on-air defense of them with the "if they were cheating at unprecedented levels, they would basically never miss on a player". They've hit on more of those players than any similar program has in the history of college football or at least the history of recruiting rankings in 2 of the past 4 years.
Now -- the whole "actually changing your place in the college football pecking order" idea is a different thing entirely. OM, as a fanbase, think they deserve to be in that conversation -- and they think they deserve it immediately. The 60s have been passed down in regards to that. That's where the bigger overall mistakes were made -- they can not perceive what they actually are to everyone else. ACTUAL perception/placement is changed so gradually that by the time it actually happens -- no one remembers when it was otherwise true for your program. Clemson was a 17 year constant-success build -- and I think they are one of the hardest cheaters in college football with regards to recruiting. But general perception doesn't bat an eye at it -- because they've been consistently on the stage for so long.
That's the part that I don't understand by your on-air defense of them with the "if they were cheating at unprecedented levels, they would basically never miss on a player". They've hit on more of those players than any similar program has in the history of college football or at least the history of recruiting rankings in 2 of the past 4 years.
Now -- the whole "actually changing your place in the college football pecking order" idea is a different thing entirely. OM, as a fanbase, think they deserve to be in that conversation -- and they think they deserve it immediately. The 60s have been passed down in regards to that. That's where the bigger overall mistakes were made -- they can not perceive what they actually are to everyone else. ACTUAL perception/placement is changed so gradually that by the time it actually happens -- no one remembers when it was otherwise true for your program. Clemson was a 17 year constant-success build -- and I think they are one of the hardest cheaters in college football with regards to recruiting. But general perception doesn't bat an eye at it -- because they've been consistently on the stage for so long.
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You just said "ole miss" and "victim" in the same post. Get the **** out of here with that ********.
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