Steve says..

[Shamoan]

the rankings are only potential veiled evidence. the truth is om is being investigated for rampant infractions and apparently, the more the ncaa digs, the more they find. in the end, the wrong toes were stepped on and the conference is allowing the loved sons to teach one of the runts a lesson. same would be true for state. no quarter will be given by the conference for that reason alone.

 

[Col. Forbin]

But weren't most of the violations pre Freeze?** That would mean he would really have to amp up the cheating to keep climbing in the crootin rankings.

 

[patdog]

But the 7 years before Freeze was hired are included in the time period of the violations UM is getting nailed for by the NCAA. What was their average recruiting ranking in the 7 years before the violations in the 1st letter began?

 

[TBone.sixpack]

He is selling to the wrong group.

 

[Shamoan]

chris, i enjoy your show and truly enjoy the self deprecating shtick the show has, that said, ole miss isnt the victim here. that is some twisted logic. the only thing they are victims of is their own sloppiness, greed, and stupidity. same would be true if it was us on the other end.

 

[johnson86-1]

I would agree if it was a 30 to 5 deal. But the 7 years before Freeze, Ole Miss averaged about 21 including an O to Nutt transition, and got as high as 15. The best 4 year run under Freeze averaged to 11 with a high of 5. Are 10 spots really a sign of unprecedented cheating? That's just not been what I've seen relative to what else is going on with college athletics.

Yes, it's unprecedented. UM wasn't pulling people out of the blue by matching the offers of the Bama's, UGA's, FSU's, etc. They were going in and outspending them on particular targets.

As many people have pointed out, they screwed themselves with Tunsil and Little. Pretty much every other recruit had some plausible explanation of how they landed them, even if it was pretty flimsy (e.g., Treadwell's friend on the team). There are probably a few other where they strayed too much from what everyone else was doing, but those were the two that even casual fans could look at and recognize it wasn't kosher.

 

[Seinfeld]

Took the words right out of my mouth, Engie. I won't even pretend to know exactly what they've done to get to this point, but you don't go from occasional Top 25 appearances to elite-level recruiting and Sugar Bowls without unprecedented things occurring.

There was a clear shift in their recruiting momentum during Nutt's last year, it quickly gained steam when Freeze came on board, and I rolled my eyes at their explanations 5 years ago and I still do. They are either doing things at unprecedented levels or else they found a damn golden goose. Either way, they 17ed

 

[coach66]

As a golfer going from shooting 100 to 85 is plausible with hard work and years

of practice, going from 100 or 95 to a scratch golfer is pretty unprecedented. Oh yea, Nutt was cheating too it appears.

 

[Shmuley]

I can go from 100 to 85. Just need an eraser on the pencil.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

But Neal says that he has seen the NOA and it's not that bad...it is in fact worse for State than it is OM.......Wait....WAAAAAAAT?

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

I would agree if it was a 30 to 5 deal. But the 7 years before Freeze, Ole Miss averaged about 21 including an O to Nutt transition, and got as high as 15. The best 4 year run under Freeze averaged to 11 with a high of 5. Are 10 spots really a sign of unprecedented cheating? That's just not been what I've seen relative to what else is going on with college athletics.

The Network is not new. It goes back before Nutt. The timespan you just listed falls in the cheating window. Freeze just got a little greedy and upped the ante. If he would have just been happy with the 15-25 ranking every year, they would have probably skated. When you start challenging the big DAWGS for recruits that they really want, that's when you've crossed the line.

 

[coach66]

You sound like my old boss.

nm

 

[1msucub]

Here's your rankings, patdog, per Scout:

But the 7 years before Freeze was hired are included in the time period of the violations UM is getting nailed for by the NCAA. What was their average recruiting ranking in the 7 years before the violations in the 1st letter began?

YEAR	NAT. RANK
2017 2016 2015 2014	31 5 17 15
2013	8
2012	47
2011	20
2010(*)	23
2009	18
2008	29
2007	27
2006	15
2005	30
2004	29
2003	38
2002	33
AVG	25.5

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[Indndawg]

I listening until this post

I know that's an easy narrative considering the circumstances, and I realize I'm not gonna change anyone's mind on here but anyone who tells you that either doesn't know what they are talking about or is lying to you. That shouldn't make Ole Miss a victim or get them off the hook, but "levels rarely seen" isn't why they're in trouble.

breadth,width,and
scope of their transactions is what will badly injure the Bears