Steve Spurrier's Quarterbacks

[shutzhund]

I like his handling of that position. If they didn't produce he treated them like any other position. He looked for someone who could until he ran out of options.

Recently, at UK, a starting qb only loses the job when his eligibility is finished or he transfers.

That's real job security but a rocky road to bowl eligibility.

 

[Comebakatz3]

When was the last time Steve had a top tier quarterback? I'm not sure he really ever had one at South Carolina.

 

[gamecockcat]

IMO, Spurrier was terrible handling his QBs. Constantly shuffling them in and out, throwing them under the bus when they didn't execute perfectly, and generally acting like a spoiled brat on the sideline did NOT help his QBs progress. While his QBs understood that they were competing for their jobs every snap, they could never develop any confidence because he was always tearing them down and pulling them out of games. I think TOBC understood the offensive game as well as anyone but he certainly didn't handle his QBs the right way.

UK has made some errors by anointing one player the starter and never reconsidering but constantly shuffling QBs in and out of favor certainly didn't produce much better (with better material, I might add, as USCjr outrecruited UK when Spurrier was there).

 

[Levibooty]

When Kentucky fans start talking about QB's and who should play and who shouldn't, the monumental errors that our coaches make, errors that our fans are very brazen about pointing out, well it brings back memories.

I remember our fans wanting to replace Andre with Pulley.
I remember our fans demanding Hartline be replace with Morgan Newton.

I then get a good nights sleep.

 

[CB3UK]

SOS notoriously mishandled his QBs. No thanks OP.

 

[WildcatStu1]

When Kentucky fans start talking about QB's and who should play and who shouldn't, the monumental errors that our coaches make, errors that our fans are very brazen about pointing out, well it brings back memories.

I remember our fans wanting to replace Andre with Pulley.
I remember our fans demanding Hartline be replace with Morgan Newton.

I then get a good nights sleep.

Post of the Week!!!!

 

[Mr Schwump]

Did his boy get another coaching job?

 

[NCukcat62]

At South Carolina his best qb was Garcia. He was good but he wasn't something to behold.

 

[ukalum1988]

At South Carolina his best qb was Garcia. He was good but he wasn't something to behold.

I would vote for Connor Shaw instead, but overall I thought he managed the QBs at USC rather poorly. His time at Florida OTOH, he generally did very well with his QBs for the most part.

 

[shutzhund]

Throwing out something that no one wants, an injury, who would ever know what the second or third man could do? I can sympathize with coaches not wanting to take a chance, in order to obtain bowl eligibility. But to stick with Towles to the bitter end did nothing to prepare Baker for this year or find out if he or another qb might have made a difference.

Were the others that much worse than Towles? I don't have any idea but we'll never know. At least, I hope not.

The reason I recalled Spurrier is he treated qbs the same as any other position. Being named the starter is a beginning not an entitlement.

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

Throwing out something that no one wants, an injury, who would ever know what the second or third man could do? I can sympathize with coaches not wanting to take a chance, in order to obtain bowl eligibility. But to stick with Towles to the bitter end did nothing to prepare Baker for this year or find out if he or another qb might have made a difference.

Were the others that much worse than Towles? I don't have any idea but we'll never know. At least, I hope not.

The reason I recalled Spurrier is he treated qbs the same as any other position. Being named the starter is a beginning not an entitlement.

Thank you for your commentary about a retired coach whose years in Columbia produced winners for awhile, but age and aggressive competitive recruiting ended his career. The ole ball coach will be remembered as a hall of fame coach.

 

[KY1WING]

The thing I remember is most of them who took snaps for him looked like Heisman Trophy candidates when they lined up against us.

How many had career days against us?

 

[shutzhund]

The thing I remember is most of them who took snaps for him looked like Heisman Trophy candidates when they lined up against us.

How many had career days against us?

We've made lots of qbs look awfully good. Not just SC and UF.

 

[TeoJ]

Don't remember SS having a GREAT QB,had some good ones(Wuerfull) SP probably the best.

 

[Mr Schwump]

The thing I remember is most of them who took snaps for him looked like Heisman Trophy candidates when they lined up against us.

How many had career days against us?

I think Connor Shaw had his first start for SCAR as a soph vs UK in that 55-3, or whatever it was, fiasco a few years ago. Threw for like 4 TDs IIRC.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

At South Carolina his best qb was Garcia. He was good but he wasn't something to behold.

I can't agree with that, I think Conneer Shaw was his best qb at Carolina, he was the one that led them to 3 11 win seasons. In fact, Garcia had been in trouble from the time he stepped on campus, several drinking incidents, keying a professor's car and his punishment was always the indefinite suspension after spring practice, until just before fall camp. That went on for 3 years, then Shaw show up and Garcia is dismissed from the program. Shaw could very well have had the most talented arm, but that was about it, his work ethic, lack of discipline and the want to enjoy the college lifestyle kept him from ever approaching his potential. If any Carolina fan post on this I think they will agree with this.

 

[Beatle Bum]

The thing I remember is most of them who took snaps for him looked like Heisman Trophy candidates when they lined up against us.

How many had career days against us?

Not the last two.

 

[ukalum1988]

I can't agree with that, I think Conneer Shaw was his best qb at Carolina, he was the one that led them to 3 11 win seasons. In fact, Garcia had been in trouble from the time he stepped on campus, several drinking incidents, keying a professor's car and his punishment was always the indefinite suspension after spring practice, until just before fall camp. That went on for 3 years, then Shaw show up and Garcia is dismissed from the program. Shaw could very well have had the most talented arm, but that was about it, his work ethic, lack of discipline and the want to enjoy the college lifestyle kept him from ever approaching his potential. If any Carolina fan post on this I think they will agree with this.

I think you're pretty much spot on. Connor Shaw wasn't the most talented QB to ever play the game, but he did have the will to win that you have to have to be successful. After Shaw moved on, SS didn't have anyone else waiting in the wings to keep the successful momentum going. The relative lack of talent in Columbia, and the speed at which it happened, is astounding. We have to beat them this year IMO if we are to have any realistic shot at a bowl game.

 

[shutzhund]

Don't remember SS having a GREAT QB,had some good ones(Wuerfull) SP probably the best.

This kind of goes with my belief that the qb position needs a smart, athletic player with a decent arm. The emphasis on a cannon arm is over rated. We've seen first hand how unimportant that alone can be.

Spurrier and others, Saban for example, have gone through multiple qbs before choosing a reliable performer over a cannon arm. Check out Alabama's recent qbs and their success rate in the NFL. They were on NC teams but in the NFL they are not doing much more than hanging on.

In my lonely opinion Towles was a victim of hope and inflexability. Forcing a rocket armed, inaccurate pocket passer to play behind non existent pass protection and running deep patterns with nothing but hope as a plan. When a position isn't producing then try something or someone else. Tunnel vision and not seeing your bench doesn't make sense.

 

[ukalum1988]

This kind of goes with my belief that the qb position needs a smart, athletic player with a decent arm. The emphasis on a cannon arm is over rated. We've seen first hand how unimportant that alone can be.

Spurrier and others, Saban for example, have gone through multiple qbs before choosing a reliable performer over a cannon arm. Check out Alabama's recent qbs and their success rate in the NFL. They were on NC teams but in the NFL they are not doing much more than hanging on.

In my lonely opinion Towles was a victim of hope and inflexability. Forcing a rocket armed, inaccurate pocket passer to play behind non existent pass protection and running deep patterns with nothing but hope as a plan. When a position isn't producing then try something or someone else. Tunnel vision and not seeing your bench doesn't make sense.

I don't completely agree with your assessment of Towles. He was/is not a pocket passer, but I guess in Dawson's system he was essentially forced to be one. Suffice to say the QB position was woefully mismanaged last season.

 

[KY1WING]

Not the last two.

Woo hoo! Two out of how many?

 

[Beatle Bum]

Woo hoo! Two out of how many?

Don't have a streak without 2. We'll keep counting and let you know when you can jump on board.

 

[shutzhund]

I don't completely agree with your assessment of Towles. He was/is not a pocket passer, but I guess in Dawson's system he was essentially forced to be one. Suffice to say the QB position was woefully mismanaged last season.

I believe he was mismanaged all while he was here and the only excuse would be that everyone else was much, much worse. I hate to think that but we'll get a chance to see for ourselves.

Last year, the Spring game and coach speak doesn't give us a clue as to what is in store except an unsettling past history of a lack of willingness to substitute at that position.

 

[KY1WING]

Don't have a streak without 2. We'll keep counting and let you know when you can jump on board.

Well unless I missed something and Spurrier is back on the sidelines somewhere at a school on our schedule I think the streak has ended at two.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Well unless I missed something and Spurrier is back on the sidelines somewhere at a school on our schedule I think the streak has ended at two.

The streak continues. Add Muschamp as the new victim. Sorry, if that doe not fit your glass is half full perspective.

 

[KY1WING]

Sorry. Just making observations.

Thanks for giving me credit for a half full glass perspective, but I'm not sure what kind of glass makes a 3-19 record vs. a coach and his QBs is a half empty glass perspective.

Last time I checked this post was on Steve Spurriers quarterbacks. So since he's no longer coaching but his QB recruits are still on the team are they still Spurrier's QBs or are they Muschamp's?

If they are Spurrier's then I guess the streak continues till they flush out of the system? That hardly seems fair, but the way I look at things like this is obviously different as you've pointed out.

Oh course then I guess you have to say Joker's QBs won the three games against Spurrier as a Stoops QB recruits have not done it yet have they?

If they are now Muschamp's then the two game win streak vs. Spurrier's QB is over, cause he's not coaching.

Now if you want to combo Spurrier and Muschamp QBs together keep the "streak" discussion going seems to be mixing apples and kumquats. But if you go there do you have to add Will's 3 wins at UF into the totals for a 3-22 record?

Glass is a little less full...

That seems to be a different discussion. whose outcome will be determined Sept 24.

 

[Levibooty]

This kind of goes with my belief that the qb position needs a smart, athletic player with a decent arm. The emphasis on a cannon arm is over rated. We've seen first hand how unimportant that alone can be.

Spurrier and others, Saban for example, have gone through multiple qbs before choosing a reliable performer over a cannon arm. Check out Alabama's recent qbs and their success rate in the NFL. They were on NC teams but in the NFL they are not doing much more than hanging on.

In my lonely opinion Towles was a victim of hope and inflexability. Forcing a rocket armed, inaccurate pocket passer to play behind non existent pass protection and running deep patterns with nothing but hope as a plan. When a position isn't producing then try something or someone else. Tunnel vision and not seeing your bench doesn't make sense.

You were not alone with that opinion.

 

[Blue Decade]

I like his handling of that position. If they didn't produce he treated them like any other position. He looked for someone who could until he ran out of options.

Recently, at UK, a starting qb only loses the job when his eligibility is finished or he transfers.

That's real job security but a rocky road to bowl eligibility.

LOL! You don't know what you are talking about. Did you notice Patrick Towles lost his starting job to Drew Barker in early November, with several games left? In fact, 2014 was the only of Stoops' 3 seasons at Kentucky when 1 quarterback held the starting job for the entire season. You may have also overlooked the fact that Stoops beat Spurrier 2 out of 3 games.

 

[shutzhund]

LOL! You don't know what you are talking about. Did you notice Patrick Towles lost his starting job to Drew Barker in early November, with several games left? In fact, 2014 was the only of Stoops' 3 seasons at Kentucky when 1 quarterback held the starting job for the entire season. You may have also overlooked the fact that Stoops beat Spurrier 2 out of 3 games.

Not exactly a knee jerk response to Towles' performance over a freshman and two post redshirt years. As I previously said a good explanation for the delayed response was that the other qbs might have been far worse. But no change was attempted until even the pop corn vendors recognized the futility of continuing. Now as I said there should be little blame placed on Towles shoulders. He might well be considered a casualty of mismanagement.

Stoops and Spurrier won/loss record is kinda unrelated to the premise of qb permanence don't you think? At least I do but what do I know. As you said I don't know what I'm talking about and you, rightly or wrongly, suppose you do. OK by me.