Yeah if stoops gets just 3 wins this year, he's gone. No arguing, no bull ****, he's gone
Still 2 to 3 years away -in the words of GNR -have a little patience
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Mike Leach's record in this article is interesting;
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2014/...football-coaches-records-against-ranked-teams
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2014/...football-coaches-records-against-ranked-teams
Fortunately for many of us fans, it isn't the people on this board that are making the decisions as to how the program moves forward. I am all for giving Stoops a chance, just show us improvement on the field is all I ask, and that doesn't necessarily mean more victories. I just want to be more competitive. Limit/eliminate the blowout losses.That all sounds good right now, but if they go 5-7 and miss a bowl again, patience might be at a premium for a lot of people. Especially some on this message board
Yeah, if Stoops only goes 3-9 this fall, I don't see how he can return in '17. That stadium would be a ghost town.
Yeah, he will go 3-9 this year. What an IGNORANT comment to make. He's more likely to get 8 wins than only 3 wins.
3-win '16 campaign?
What are you trying to do, destroy all of your credibility?
Or maybe, after reading this post, you never had any to start with, so nothing to lose.
Three OOC, possibly four, should have had Transfer U last year, at home this year.
Vandy, at home, again no excuse for not beating them last year. They MIGHT be better, I am pretty sure we will, and it is at home.
MSU, Missouri, and USC, all very good possibilities, one lost a great QB that killed us (and their RB), and the other two have new coaches and systems. And how did we fare against those two last year?
Georgia and Florida are not out of reach, even talent wise now, like they were before. They would be upsets, but Brooks would have made very few bowl games without at least one big upset, it is football. USC in ten, LSU in 07, Georgia and USC several times. And to show you how much we have gained in talent, when Jokers team played Florida in 10 we started MORE two stars than three stars with two walkons, while their TWO DEEP averaged ABOVE a 5.9. I didn't look it up, but I think we have as many four stars starting than two stars now. The 60 team had TWO four stars that played a lot while seven of our SEC opponents (not Vandy, but we beat them) AVERAGED 38 four star commits the previous four years------plus FIVE stars. Bama is out of reach this year, read that they could field NINETEEN five stars------no, not four stars, FIVE stars. What's his name might even get some carries to show us up.
If you really want to look dumb try to dispute the tremendous decrease in the raw talent gap between UK and the rest of the SEC. Thanks Stoops------and the fans that gave up season tickets in the family for decades. And the real kicker might be not the increase in talent, but the incerase in coaching ability------both from more experience AND from better coaches.
No, we won't win all those games, and upsets happen both ways, but I think we go 6-6, with seven wins more likely than five. Three wins, pure BS.
And I think your prediction stinks to high heaven, why are you even here? You either aren't very smart or are trolling.
Son,
I've been on this particular board for 15 years...
Troll this.
Unproven D line, zero depth
Unproven QBs, no depth
New offensive staff
Very tough schedule
If you paid close attention, we should've lost to EKU last year... Let that sink in a second.
If your argument is that USC and Mizzou will be worse because of new coaching staffs, well then that doesn't bode well for our offense.
I've seen enough of Stoops that I Think I can tell he doesn't know how to manage the game... Too many subs/schemes in the effort to be "multiple". Guys not lined up. Busted coverages, high performance training...pfft.
In EVERY game last year there was a ST mistake. Every gosh damn game.
In every game that we faced a mobile QB, we showed ZERO preparation and ability to stop... We got SCORCHED.
Georgia and Florida, not out of reach? Please. Stop. Please. You lost all credibility. 100% moronic statement. History proves ME right.
Stars shmars. We may have talent per recruiting rankings but I've seen ZERO development and/or improvement, which is yet another indictment of Stoops' coaching ability.
Just win and I'll shut up. Just win, and you can crow. But for now- I suggest you shut up because you're gonna look foolish yet again- blinded by optimism...
Optimism....Of which, will be at a fever pitch come August... The predictions will creep toward world domination after fall practice... EDDIE GRAN JUST HAS "IT FACTOR"...and tempered to a screeching halt after Southern Miss puts up 30 points with Shannon Dawson's dimples laughing at you.
Why does Stoops get such a pass? Recruiting?!? Who cares if you don't win?
He has yet to beat UofL, got curb-stomped by UT and MSU. That's just HIS defense.
Whatever- you'll all be at my stage of acceptance in a year or two. I just want to beat the rush and get a better coach in here who has experience with a cupboard filled with "stars" and decent facilities.
I've been on this particular board for 15 years...
Troll this.
Unproven D line, zero depth
Unproven QBs, no depth
New offensive staff
Very tough schedule
If you paid close attention, we should've lost to EKU last year... Let that sink in a second.
If your argument is that USC and Mizzou will be worse because of new coaching staffs, well then that doesn't bode well for our offense.
I've seen enough of Stoops that I Think I can tell he doesn't know how to manage the game... Too many subs/schemes in the effort to be "multiple". Guys not lined up. Busted coverages, high performance training...pfft.
In EVERY game last year there was a ST mistake. Every gosh damn game.
In every game that we faced a mobile QB, we showed ZERO preparation and ability to stop... We got SCORCHED.
Georgia and Florida, not out of reach? Please. Stop. Please. You lost all credibility. 100% moronic statement. History proves ME right.
Stars shmars. We may have talent per recruiting rankings but I've seen ZERO development and/or improvement, which is yet another indictment of Stoops' coaching ability.
Just win and I'll shut up. Just win, and you can crow. But for now- I suggest you shut up because you're gonna look foolish yet again- blinded by optimism...
Optimism....Of which, will be at a fever pitch come August... The predictions will creep toward world domination after fall practice... EDDIE GRAN JUST HAS "IT FACTOR"...and tempered to a screeching halt after Southern Miss puts up 30 points with Shannon Dawson's dimples laughing at you.
Why does Stoops get such a pass? Recruiting?!? Who cares if you don't win?
He has yet to beat UofL, got curb-stomped by UT and MSU. That's just HIS defense.
Whatever- you'll all be at my stage of acceptance in a year or two. I just want to beat the rush and get a better coach in here who has experience with a cupboard filled with "stars" and decent facilities.
30th in the nation is much better than we've ever done.
It's still 13th out of 14th in the SEC. I know you're not saying it, but a lot of our fans think that his recruiting better than before is enough and it's simply not. The recruiting still isn't where it needs to be and the on field results have miles to go. Last season's Vandy game is what has me on the fence for the first time. That crap can't happen this season if Im going to stay on board.
UK doesn't have a winning history... Some call the place a graveyard of coaches... But unless they get in NCAA trouble UK does have a history of giving coaches full measure of patience to allow them and the program to be all it can be... I don't see Stoops time here being cut short... Stoops career speculation makes for a spirited thread but it's much ado about nothing.... He's here for the foreseeable future... And if he were to leave I'm going on record saying he's does so of his own volition rather than being nudged out of UK....
Have a nice day ... Think happy thoughts.
Have a nice day ... Think happy thoughts.
I don't mind the constant negative posters on the uk football board. Lord knows being a UK football fan is rough. I am very curious though if we see these same negative posters when we start winning. Stoops has this roster ready to compete. We also have a proven OC with quite a bit of talent to work with. This will be the last spring fans will get to ***** about bowl games. I'm looking forward to the next line of complaining about Stoops inability to win the big one.
If Mark has a winning season and goes to a bowl, some of our "knowledgeable" fans will say this was blind luck delaying his firing one more year.
I agree with you on Stoops' job security. The bottom line is you don't have to be a Rhodes scholar to conclude that as long as he recruits at the level he is recruiting at presently, which is unrepresented, we are better off retaining Stoops and hoping he grows into the job, rather than starting over with an unknown who is highly unlikely to ever bring the type of talent to Lexington that we see now. So it's really a no brainer.
I think most of those "negative posters" are just waiting for something good to happen. Furthermore, I think the majority are long time fans like myself who have witnessed a number of false starts to UK football over the past 5 decades. They are good fans but are in a "show me" state. IMO, Year 4 is HUGE for Stoops and Co. Notwithstanding his extremely generous buyout clause, I believe 6 wins and a bowl are critical to his tenure. Consider his predecessors...
Phillips recorded a 6 win season in Year 1.
Curci, Claiborne, Mumme and Morriss all recorded a 6 win season in Year 2
Bradshaw, Curry and Brooks recorded a 6 win season by Year 4
Curci, Claiborne, Mumme and Morriss all recorded a 6 win season in Year 2
Bradshaw, Curry and Brooks recorded a 6 win season by Year 4
Eight of Stoops 9 predecessors (i.e., since Collier) have recorded a 6 win season within 4 years.
Now some say that Stoops was left with the worst roster in UK history. That is not exactly true. Coaches get fired because they ain't winning and (except for the elite programs) the "new guy" almost always inherits a weak roster, or maybe worse, NCAA sanctions. Such has been the case for every UK coach except for Phillips and perhaps Curry
Ray took over a UK program that went 8-21-1 (3-17 SEC) in Bradshaw's last 3 years
Curci took over a UK program that went 8-25 (3-18 SEC) in Ray's last 3 years.
Claiborne took over a UK program that went 11-22 (6-14 SEC) in Curci's last 3 years (plus scandals and sanctions)
Curry took over a UK program that went 16-17 (5-15 SEC) in Claiborne's last 3 years.
Mumme took over a UK program that went 9-24 (5-19 SEC) in Curry's last 3 years
Morriss did not stay 3 years and it is difficult to assess what he inherited or what he left his successor
Brooks took over a UK program that was significantly scholarship limited from the Mumme era sanctions
Phillips took over a UK program that went 22-17 (8-16 SEC) in Brooks last 3 years.
Curci took over a UK program that went 8-25 (3-18 SEC) in Ray's last 3 years.
Claiborne took over a UK program that went 11-22 (6-14 SEC) in Curci's last 3 years (plus scandals and sanctions)
Curry took over a UK program that went 16-17 (5-15 SEC) in Claiborne's last 3 years.
Mumme took over a UK program that went 9-24 (5-19 SEC) in Curry's last 3 years
Morriss did not stay 3 years and it is difficult to assess what he inherited or what he left his successor
Brooks took over a UK program that was significantly scholarship limited from the Mumme era sanctions
Phillips took over a UK program that went 22-17 (8-16 SEC) in Brooks last 3 years.
IMO, only Phillips and Curry took over a program in reasonably good health. Stoops took over a UK program that went 13-24 (4-18 SEC) in Phillips 3 years; about the same as all his predecessors except Phillips. He enters Year 4 with a 12-24 (4-20 SEC) record seeking that elusive 6 win season. Time for all that great recruiting to start producing wins.
Peace
Joker Phillips is the reason we are in this mess to begin with. Yea he won 6 games with a roster that should have won 8. Stoops has had 2 full recruiting cycles at UK. If you wanna count the first class that he had to throw together in a month then say 3. Yea year 4 is big for any coach rebuilding a team. In saying that Stoops unloaded like 30 players that Joker recruited and 1 went to a division 1 school think about that! We have won 10 games the last 2 years after only winning 4 the previous 2. I want UK to succeed more than anybody but I'm realistic in what Stoops inherited. None of this even accounts for us having to play 5 or 6 ranked teams a year. So to win 7 games and make people happy we have to win 3 games we are not favored in. The best players on this roster are Westry, Baker, Boom, Barker, Elam, Love, Ware, juice, Edwards, Baity. These players where a fr, Soph, soph, fr, soph, N/A, fr, Soph,Fr, Fr. So UK was supposed to win how many games with the young of a talent core?
That all sounds good right now, but if they go 5-7 and miss a bowl again, patience might be at a premium for a lot of people. Especially some on this message board
Kattie, you don't have to worry about that, the patience on here has been gone for a long time, lol.
Why would anyone want to be at any stage filled with negativity like yours? They've not been good, isn't hard to see, and coaching has been rough but why be on here if you are that upset wth the program now. It ain't like we were the mean blue machine in the past either.
In the past it was a systemic problem of admin support, salaries, facilities, recruiting.... Now there is one weak link identified. A $3M/yr HC with no HC experience whose pulled more boners this side of Jenna Jameson.
In college football there is no treading water. It's either upward trajectory or inevitable failure. Every year there has been glaring roster holes and this one is no different. New OC, new staff, unproven QB, ridic schedule and the always predictable games we shoulda won = no bowl '16. At some point, Marrow won't be able to sell to recruits that UK is tOSU south and this whole thing implodes. Winning is everything.
Additionally, there's a difference between negativity and frustration. I'm not negative. I don't blast players. I'd love for us to be awesome. I'd love to see great strides in player development. I'd love to know I've got the smartest HC on every Saturday sideline...
Just frustrated I haven't seen a glimmer of it.
I'll lurk. Read. Come back in August when the usual suspects will be posting sweaty pics of the boys in fall camp boasting that 8-wins isn't out of the realm of possibility... And rewrite the same post. Then leave.
In college football there is no treading water. It's either upward trajectory or inevitable failure. Every year there has been glaring roster holes and this one is no different. New OC, new staff, unproven QB, ridic schedule and the always predictable games we shoulda won = no bowl '16. At some point, Marrow won't be able to sell to recruits that UK is tOSU south and this whole thing implodes. Winning is everything.
Additionally, there's a difference between negativity and frustration. I'm not negative. I don't blast players. I'd love for us to be awesome. I'd love to see great strides in player development. I'd love to know I've got the smartest HC on every Saturday sideline...
Just frustrated I haven't seen a glimmer of it.
I'll lurk. Read. Come back in August when the usual suspects will be posting sweaty pics of the boys in fall camp boasting that 8-wins isn't out of the realm of possibility... And rewrite the same post. Then leave.
UK fans patience > Performance of Stoops teams on the football field
People can preach patience all they want to, but the scoreboard doesn't have an agenda. If his teams continue to lose and look bad while doing so, he's going to see the number of those supporting him shrink to a level that would only fill that new recruiting room.
Through 3 years, his teams do nothing well. They are bad on offense, bad on defense and horrendous at special teams.
So, there are a lot more important things to be worried about outside of the fans patience for watching a terrible product.
People can preach patience all they want to, but the scoreboard doesn't have an agenda. If his teams continue to lose and look bad while doing so, he's going to see the number of those supporting him shrink to a level that would only fill that new recruiting room.
Through 3 years, his teams do nothing well. They are bad on offense, bad on defense and horrendous at special teams.
So, there are a lot more important things to be worried about outside of the fans patience for watching a terrible product.
Last year was a complete disaster. Make no mistake about it, not getting 6 wins last season with that schedule was PATHETIC coaching. This season is a much tougher schedule. Stoops really let everyone down last season by not getting 6 wins.
He knows it. We know it.
We can only hope he doesn't make the stupid, on field mistakes he did last season to cost us about 2 games.
It's a miracle we're still signing some top talent after last season. He can recruit and coach defense, but we are still waiting to see if he's a legit SEC head coach.
The Joker excuse just doesn't hold up any longer. He did have two great players drafted. Part of that 30 players you failed to mention.
Now with better players, why don't we have better team?
Do we blame a bad season this year on Joker again?
Disagree with the notion that if Boom doesn't go down, UL still beats us. We had a 21-0 lead. Perhaps if he stays in the game, we are able to run the ball effectively, keep Jackson off the field, and salt the game away.
The Vandy game was the loss that really hurt. Way more than UL. Coaching blunders cost us that one.
Does anyone else agree that, strangely, Stoops's teams have appeared to look more poorly coached as the seasons have gone by? I mean, I know his first team went 2-10, but they didn't seem to make as many mistakes as this last one did.
The Vandy game was the loss that really hurt. Way more than UL. Coaching blunders cost us that one.
Does anyone else agree that, strangely, Stoops's teams have appeared to look more poorly coached as the seasons have gone by? I mean, I know his first team went 2-10, but they didn't seem to make as many mistakes as this last one did.
Dude, you lost every bit of your credibility during the Joker campaign. You are a joke.
Wrong. Anyone with half a brain didnt want Joker. Mitch Barnhart is responsible for the Joker era.
Stoops inherited in his first year 4 current NFL defensive players. 3 I think are still listed as starters. 3 current NFL starters. His first year defense was second to last in the SEC. This Joker argument about having no talent doesn't really smoke word. Its late......not sure what smoke word means either.