Still 2 to 3 years away -in the words of GNR -have a little patience

[orlandocatfan_rivals383321]

I think most of those "negative posters" are just waiting for something good to happen. Furthermore, I think the majority are long time fans like myself who have witnessed a number of false starts to UK football over the past 5 decades. They are good fans but are in a "show me" state. IMO, Year 4 is HUGE for Stoops and Co. Notwithstanding his extremely generous buyout clause, I believe 6 wins and a bowl are critical to his tenure. Consider his predecessors...

Phillips recorded a 6 win season in Year 1.
Curci, Claiborne, Mumme and Morriss all recorded a 6 win season in Year 2
Bradshaw, Curry and Brooks recorded a 6 win season by Year 4​

Eight of Stoops 9 predecessors (i.e., since Collier) have recorded a 6 win season within 4 years.

Now some say that Stoops was left with the worst roster in UK history. That is not exactly true. Coaches get fired because they ain't winning and (except for the elite programs) the "new guy" almost always inherits a weak roster, or maybe worse, NCAA sanctions. Such has been the case for every UK coach except for Phillips and perhaps Curry

Ray took over a UK program that went 8-21-1 (3-17 SEC) in Bradshaw's last 3 years
Curci took over a UK program that went 8-25 (3-18 SEC) in Ray's last 3 years.
Claiborne took over a UK program that went 11-22 (6-14 SEC) in Curci's last 3 years (plus scandals and sanctions)
Curry took over a UK program that went 16-17 (5-15 SEC) in Claiborne's last 3 years.
Mumme took over a UK program that went 9-24 (5-19 SEC) in Curry's last 3 years
Morriss did not stay 3 years and it is difficult to assess what he inherited or what he left his successor
Brooks took over a UK program that was significantly scholarship limited from the Mumme era sanctions
Phillips took over a UK program that went 22-17 (8-16 SEC) in Brooks last 3 years.​

IMO, only Phillips and Curry took over a program in reasonably good health. Stoops took over a UK program that went 13-24 (4-18 SEC) in Phillips 3 years; about the same as all his predecessors except Phillips. He enters Year 4 with a 12-24 (4-20 SEC) record seeking that elusive 6 win season. Time for all that great recruiting to start producing wins.

Peace

Great post. My concern right now is the fragile position this loss puts us in with regard to recruiting. We won't be able to get the high threes and moderate four star players with the kind of performance like last night's.

Emotionally, I'm spent. And, as such, I wouldn't mind if the whole team, with a few exceptions, lost their scholarships until they begin to earn them back. That's how I feel and that isn't realistic. As my emotions settle down, I'll feel differently and more rational. I think the smart thing to do is have no expectations from here on out and just let things happen, I don't see how changing coaches is going to help.

I fully understand that it is all about paid butts in the seats and I expect smaller and smaller crowds at CWS. But, that is a trend anyway due to all games being on TV.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

And why we constantly wait 2-3 years for the never to come improvement, UT, FL and UGA will keep competing for SEC East titles with the occasional challenge from SC and Missouri.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Our program is recruiting at all time high- Coach Stoops is getting the assistants that we need to move - I dont think he is stopping after this year - the Coach that is on the hot seat is Coach Elliott- I wanna see more blitz's and better schemes -pressure and more consistency with our Defense-

On offense with finally a great offensive mind in Hinshaw and a asst oc that sits up stairs- I have never liked coaches on the field - it has success both ways but know we have the best of both worlds
If we can still keep getting the athletes we are getting we are setting our self up to contend for SEC EAST-

We can go to a bowl every year but the sec east tittle is 3 years away IMO - bottom line every great team goes as the QB goes - DREW BARKER time 2 shine - We need to redshirt these great recruits that we get but we dont have that luxury - when we do the results will start to pour in every year - Give Coach some patience -he will get it done I am more than convinced#bbn

Nope. Patience is the PROBLEM. UK fans are TOLERATING an administration that doesn't care about football and is taking advantage of their patience.

UK fans need to get PISSED OFF and tell the administration that they will no longer attend games until the AD is fired and a good product is put on the football field.

Then and only then will real change start to happen.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Great post. My concern right now is the fragile position this loss puts us in with regard to recruiting. We won't be able to get the high threes and moderate four star players with the kind of performance like last night's.

Emotionally, I'm spent. And, as such, I wouldn't mind if the whole team, with a few exceptions, lost their scholarships until they begin to earn them back. That's how I feel and that isn't realistic. As my emotions settle down, I'll feel differently and more rational. I think the smart thing to do is have no expectations from here on out and just let things happen, I don't see how changing coaches is going to help.

I fully understand that it is all about paid butts in the seats and I expect smaller and smaller crowds at CWS. But, that is a trend anyway due to all games being on TV.

What difference have these so called higher level recruits made in wins and losses?

 

[Stenchymouse]

Last nights loss probably thrilled Mitch to death!

He doesn't want any "quick fix" and us "microwave" fans really get under his skin!!

This loss ought knock us down a notch or two!!

Now we can get back on our 10 year plan!!!

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

To all you 5-7..4-8 season fools.....

[laughing]

I often wonder if you "we'll be in the SECG within 3 years" dumbasses are even real posters. We've never even been remotely close to Atlanta. Not even sorta close.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

Yeah, he will go 3-9 this year. What an IGNORANT comment to make. He's more likely to get 8 wins than only 3 wins.

Nope.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

Yeah, he will go 3-9 this year. What an IGNORANT comment to make. He's more likely to get 8 wins than only 3 wins.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

3-win '16 campaign?

What are you trying to do, destroy all of your credibility?

Or maybe, after reading this post, you never had any to start with, so nothing to lose.

Yep.

 

[BigBlueTuckian]

A football coach does not need 7 years to do the following:

1) Teach correct tackling technique
2) Implement a defensive system that fits your talent, aka ditch the 3-4 and go to 4-3
3) Fid the right OC. No doubt Gran is, but why go through Brown and Dawson to find that out?
4) Display fire, urgency, and anger on the sidelines when you're getting dominated by inferior competition
5) Learn how to manage the gamecock
6) Get organized
7) Develop talent on the roster
8) Make adjustments at halftime and DURING the game. Yes, this is possible.
9) WIN the games you should and some that you shouldn't.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

Son,

I've been on this particular board for 15 years...

Troll this.

Unproven D line, zero depth
Unproven QBs, no depth
New offensive staff
Very tough schedule

If you paid close attention, we should've lost to EKU last year... Let that sink in a second.

If your argument is that USC and Mizzou will be worse because of new coaching staffs, well then that doesn't bode well for our offense.

I've seen enough of Stoops that I Think I can tell he doesn't know how to manage the game... Too many subs/schemes in the effort to be "multiple". Guys not lined up. Busted coverages, high performance training...pfft.

In EVERY game last year there was a ST mistake. Every gosh damn game.

In every game that we faced a mobile QB, we showed ZERO preparation and ability to stop... We got SCORCHED.

Georgia and Florida, not out of reach? Please. Stop. Please. You lost all credibility. 100% moronic statement. History proves ME right.

Stars shmars. We may have talent per recruiting rankings but I've seen ZERO development and/or improvement, which is yet another indictment of Stoops' coaching ability.

Just win and I'll shut up. Just win, and you can crow. But for now- I suggest you shut up because you're gonna look foolish yet again- blinded by optimism...

Optimism....Of which, will be at a fever pitch come August... The predictions will creep toward world domination after fall practice... EDDIE GRAN JUST HAS "IT FACTOR"...and tempered to a screeching halt after Southern Miss puts up 30 points with Shannon Dawson's dimples laughing at you.

Why does Stoops get such a pass? Recruiting?!? Who cares if you don't win?
He has yet to beat UofL, got curb-stomped by UT and MSU. That's just HIS defense.

Whatever- you'll all be at my stage of acceptance in a year or two. I just want to beat the rush and get a better coach in here who has experience with a cupboard filled with "stars" and decent facilities.

This, before Meant left too.

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

UK fans patience > Performance of Stoops teams on the football field

People can preach patience all they want to, but the scoreboard doesn't have an agenda. If his teams continue to lose and look bad while doing so, he's going to see the number of those supporting him shrink to a level that would only fill that new recruiting room.

Through 3 years, his teams do nothing well. They are bad on offense, bad on defense and horrendous at special teams.

So, there are a lot more important things to be worried about outside of the fans patience for watching a terrible product.

Drops mic.

 

[bradyjames_rivals]

OP is part of the problem.

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

Mitch's favorite Guns n Roses song..all we need is just a little patience. We're expecting too much too soon. Hasn't anyone listened to his eloquent speeches about how Kentucky football fans are part of a microwave society expecting too much too soon? Haven't we heard his recent speech laying out the many reasons why Kentucky will always struggle in football?

 

[Kooky Kats_anon]

Posted in MARCH

Son,

I've been on this particular board for 15 years...

Troll this.

Unproven D line, zero depth
Unproven QBs, no depth
New offensive staff
Very tough schedule

If you paid close attention, we should've lost to EKU last year... Let that sink in a second.

If your argument is that USC and Mizzou will be worse because of new coaching staffs, well then that doesn't bode well for our offense.

I've seen enough of Stoops that I Think I can tell he doesn't know how to manage the game... Too many subs/schemes in the effort to be "multiple". Guys not lined up. Busted coverages, high performance training...pfft.

In EVERY game last year there was a ST mistake. Every gosh damn game.

In every game that we faced a mobile QB, we showed ZERO preparation and ability to stop... We got SCORCHED.

Georgia and Florida, not out of reach? Please. Stop. Please. You lost all credibility. 100% moronic statement. History proves ME right.

Stars shmars. We may have talent per recruiting rankings but I've seen ZERO development and/or improvement, which is yet another indictment of Stoops' coaching ability.

Just win and I'll shut up. Just win, and you can crow. But for now- I suggest you shut up because you're gonna look foolish yet again- blinded by optimism...

Optimism....Of which, will be at a fever pitch come August... The predictions will creep toward world domination after fall practice... EDDIE GRAN JUST HAS "IT FACTOR"...and tempered to a screeching halt after Southern Miss puts up 30 points with Shannon Dawson's dimples laughing at you.

Why does Stoops get such a pass? Recruiting?!? Who cares if you don't win?
He has yet to beat UofL, got curb-stomped by UT and MSU. That's just HIS defense.

Whatever- you'll all be at my stage of acceptance in a year or two. I just want to beat the rush and get a better coach in here who has experience with a cupboard filled with "stars" and decent facilities.

 

[ScrewDuke1]

Stoops needs fired today.

 

[ScrewDuke1]

What difference have these so called higher level recruits made in wins and losses?

They would make a difference if they had coaches that didn't suck. The players aren't the problem. We recruit at basically the same level Mississippi State does and they've had lots of success. They were even ranked #1 for a couple weeks a few years ago. Mississippi State actually develops talent unlike us.

 

[Hjack]

Weve been 2 or 3 years a way for 30 years.

Try 60.

 

[Beast Johnson]

Nope. Patience is the PROBLEM. UK fans are TOLERATING an administration that doesn't care about football and is taking advantage of their patience.

UK fans need to get PISSED OFF and tell the administration that they will no longer attend games until the AD is fired and a good product is put on the football field.

Then and only then will real change start to happen.

I gave up my season tickets because I decided I am not spending more cash or attending games until this garbage is sorted out and improved.

 

[buckkiller]

LMAO another 3 years out lolz NO F-ING WAY! We are in year 4 the time is now but its imploded under an incompetent coaching staff period. This regime is done! The only question is when do they get their walking papers?

 

[buckkiller]

Jokers players are gone this is 4 recruiting classes put together by Stoops time is up to Win period . I dont see it happening. Maybe 3 wins this year.

 

[Kingebeneezer]

It is not 1984 anymore. Good coaches do not need a decade to rebuild a program.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't see FL as a given loss. Uphill battle? Yes.

That was one big hill...

 

[The_Godfather_rivals]

Jokers players are gone this is 4 recruiting classes put together by Stoops time is up to Win period . I dont see it happening. Maybe 3 wins this year.

Nobody will save Stoops by claiming he's still fixing Joker's mess. What will be spun by Barnhart and the other dreamers who can't stomach it when people demand more from the coach, is that he will have shown improvement during THIS year.

UK has started this season so poorly, MB will be spinning like a top if the team manages to eek out 4 wins. He'll hail it as progress after having some "itty-bitty little hiccups" to begin the season. He'll then release some letter after we crush Austin Peay recapping that crap and why he still believes in Stoops. This letter will come just days prior to UK having to face UofL and their star QB that nobody on his overpaid staff had ever heard of a year prior.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't mind the constant negative posters on the uk football board. Lord knows being a UK football fan is rough. I am very curious though if we see these same negative posters when we start winning. Stoops has this roster ready to compete. We also have a proven OC with quite a bit of talent to work with. This will be the last spring fans will get to ***** about bowl games. I'm looking forward to the next line of complaining about Stoops inability to win the big one.

Since when did Southern Miss become the big one?

 

[ThePhoenix_rivals211191]

They would make a difference if they had coaches that didn't suck. The players aren't the problem. We recruit at basically the same level Mississippi State does and they've had lots of success. They were even ranked #1 for a couple weeks a few years ago. Mississippi State actually develops talent unlike us.

Also had a QB that was awesome in Prescott. We need better QB play for sure.

 

[STL_Cat]

This thread is high comedy and makes me very, very sad at the same time.

I agreed with everything Kooky Kats said at the time but hoped he was wrong. Pumpers like jauk, who remarkably still supported and defended even Joker to the end, continue to tell those of us who wait to actually see the results on the field before we start predicting 7-8 win seasons that we're the dumb ones? That we're the people who just don't get it? Man, I almost wish I lived with my head so perpetually in the clouds. I'm sure the air is nice up there. Clearly pretty thin, but nice nonetheless.