"Still Rocking With KP....Forever"
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And there it is. That's all you need to hear.. Keeny isn't going away this year.
Sure they are. How many other coaches would let you out of practice the day after being beaten soundly at home by Arkansas St.?
It’s just a shame that, “rocking with” doesn’t equate to “playing hard for”…
Then play like it. Hustle like it. Show some fight. These guys are all talk. If they care about KP so much, DO something about it.
Still rocking with him...until someone else comes along and offers them more money and a chance to play in the tournament.
As I understood it, perhaps incorrectly, the day off after the Arkansas State game was already scheduled before the game and was done to meet the NCAA-mandated time off of practice per week. I was hoping that things would turn around for Payne and the team, but I now agree with the overwhelming sentiment on this board that it's time for a change. But I don't think that the day off of practice needs to enter the equation here at all.
Where else could a few transfers arrive in town and decide to keep the HC from termination? Talk about absence of any leadership; next time the AD ask me for financial support, I am going to suggest that he get the money from those players who made the decision to keep Payne as HC.
Simplistic way to interpret things. You have me blocked though so there’s that.
Well we know what needs to be done at the seasons end. Clean house coaching staff and players. By the time it’s said and done it’s going to be the fans vs the team. This could get ugly. 
UofL Athletics is broke. Better start collecting aluminum cans down on Floyd Street.
I'm not here to say that Kenny Payne is a great coach. All I know is that since he's been here. He's had ZERO and I mean ZERO luck. Early last season you guys had 3 or 4 games decided on a last second shot, you lost them all. Now this season you lose your highest rated recruit Trentyn Flowers just before school started. And for the last 4 or 5 games one of your 3 best players JJ Traynor has been out. You put Flowers & Traynor on this team & you're looking at probably a 8-4 maybe 9-3 type record. You take 2 of the top 4 players off any team in the country and they're going to lose a bunch of games that they would have won if they were playing.
STFU and go back to your litter box. Nobody GAF about your take on KP. We'll gladly give him back to you all.. I'll even drive him to Lexington and kick him out in front of Rupp Arena.
If true then KP might be the first college coach to actually follow NCAA practice time rules.
That's BS! Have you watched us? Ok change the bad luck last year, ok now we are 8-24.....is that better?? Come on man!!
If you are being honest then you are entitled to your opinion but any coach who has to depend on luck to win games is going to be disappointed. Is that how Calimari does it, by luck? I don't disagree that maybe having Flowers and Traynor might have resulted in a different outcome but doesn't KP bear some responsibility in going after a guy who decides not to show up on campus. Not sure if JJ alone would have resulted in moving the needle.
This conversation is void of the most obvious fact; specifically how the players, and those close to UL basketball practices are speaking privately about just how poorly prepared KP is with workouts and practices. One player in particular shared with an old teammate, who in turn shared with our family, that “the practices are the very worst he has experienced since grade school”.
While I heard that directly from someone I trust, and one who knows basketball exceedingly well; it has been rumored all around this town ever since KP started working his team out.
Sorry to be so negative, but there is a specific reason this experiment with KP has worked out so incredibly bad. As there is some talent on the roster, but absolutely void of any coaching. I am not talking about bad coaching, as we see evidence of failed coaching in so many losing programs every yea. What we have here at UL is indicative of what happens when a school hires an individual without ANY HEAD COACHING EXPERT WHATSOEVER!!!
This is not going to fix itself, and I can see now that JH and this University have no intention of doing what needs to be done in terms of resolving this problem. The Koron Davis fiasco was Heird’s chance to terminate KP with cause; but political correctness eliminated that opportunity.
While I heard that directly from someone I trust, and one who knows basketball exceedingly well; it has been rumored all around this town ever since KP started working his team out.
Sorry to be so negative, but there is a specific reason this experiment with KP has worked out so incredibly bad. As there is some talent on the roster, but absolutely void of any coaching. I am not talking about bad coaching, as we see evidence of failed coaching in so many losing programs every yea. What we have here at UL is indicative of what happens when a school hires an individual without ANY HEAD COACHING EXPERT WHATSOEVER!!!
This is not going to fix itself, and I can see now that JH and this University have no intention of doing what needs to be done in terms of resolving this problem. The Koron Davis fiasco was Heird’s chance to terminate KP with cause; but political correctness eliminated that opportunity.
I disagree about Flowers. He wanted to be a point guard. Best case, he’d have played small forward but would have had a bad attitude about not getting to play where he wanted, or he’d have been another point guard in training wheels disaster like El Ellis was last year.
Once it was clear that he wanted to be a point guard in training, Payne should have given his spot to a senior transfer shooting guard. But (and this is Payne’s biggest problem) Payne is not a strategic thinker. He’s a developer of individual player skills, a great assistant coach who is a terrible head coach.
Once it was clear that he wanted to be a point guard in training, Payne should have given his spot to a senior transfer shooting guard. But (and this is Payne’s biggest problem) Payne is not a strategic thinker. He’s a developer of individual player skills, a great assistant coach who is a terrible head coach.
Also some people have said his handlers said “No” to the way KP was handling practice. Who got the last laugh there right?
Keep in mind this "regime" has actually won a few close ones they didn't necessarily wow us in too.
Exactly … how bad was our luck when we beat UMBC and New Mexico State? I seem to recall a UofL foul after a UMBC defensive rebound that wasn’t called, and two missed free throws by NMSU with 1 second left in regulation that allowed UofL to make it to overtime….
You know the coach has to go when a uk fan is sticking up and making excuses for him.
Let me guess, topcat and any other uk fan, believes Payne needs about 4 or 5 more seasons to prove himself and right the ship. Lol The vast majority of them are loving the Cards being the laughing stock of college basketball and would advocate Payne being here forever.
Let me guess, topcat and any other uk fan, believes Payne needs about 4 or 5 more seasons to prove himself and right the ship. Lol The vast majority of them are loving the Cards being the laughing stock of college basketball and would advocate Payne being here forever.
They either think that KP can get it turned around because he’s a KY assistant, or they think Louisville is below them and their version of “turned around” is a tournament once every three years or so. Or they have common sense and just want to see Louisville fail.
It was bad luck when Flowers screwed the program over late in the summer. You can't get that wasted scholly to a player anywhere near his value. We can all admit that. But even with that you can still criticize the recruiting philosophy and question why he's even pursuing a guy that graduated HS early that has $ signs on his forehead.
Kick Koron, the kid from the U, and the Flowers scholly to 3 SRs in the portal last summer and your team might look a lot different.
Then again, it's hard to say who they offered from the portal because the staff moves in the shadows.
We are all guessing. Almost the only thing we know for sure is the program is in the gutter.
Kick Koron, the kid from the U, and the Flowers scholly to 3 SRs in the portal last summer and your team might look a lot different.
Then again, it's hard to say who they offered from the portal because the staff moves in the shadows.
We are all guessing. Almost the only thing we know for sure is the program is in the gutter.
Payne is one coach who makes Calipari look good.
I’m hardly a Payne defender, but the best U of L player he may have had is Ellis who can’t crack the starting lineup on Arkansas ranked 70 in the current ESPN FPI.
Of course, that just means he isn’t recruiting either…
I’m hardly a Payne defender, but the best U of L player he may have had is Ellis who can’t crack the starting lineup on Arkansas ranked 70 in the current ESPN FPI.
Of course, that just means he isn’t recruiting either…
The player or roster management has been awful and there is a lot awful. It was the one thing most people thought he would be OK if not great.
We are 2 years in and name me one guy that would start for a Top 15 kind of team? They are all role players at this moment. Now in 2-3 years they could be a problem but it has been so bad that isn’t happening.
We are 2 years in and name me one guy that would start for a Top 15 kind of team? They are all role players at this moment. Now in 2-3 years they could be a problem but it has been so bad that isn’t happening.
I guarantee you that most of these players will be gone at the end of the season.
Mike James will definitely be gone. White and Clark both already regret their decisions. Johnson, Williams and Glenn will probably move on as well.
Everyone else it doesn't matter. No one worthy is going to come here from the portal or high school until KP is gone. Even if they like KP, the fans don't so why would you go somewhere where the fans don't show up?
That's what Heird doesn't seem to understand. KP is not going to suddenly become a fan favorite, and becoming a .500 coach would not change that.
The university is probably trying to save as much money as they can, which probably makes sense. However, if they want fans back in the stands and great players committing, KP has to go.
Everyone else it doesn't matter. No one worthy is going to come here from the portal or high school until KP is gone. Even if they like KP, the fans don't so why would you go somewhere where the fans don't show up?
That's what Heird doesn't seem to understand. KP is not going to suddenly become a fan favorite, and becoming a .500 coach would not change that.
The university is probably trying to save as much money as they can, which probably makes sense. However, if they want fans back in the stands and great players committing, KP has to go.
Tell you what … how about we all make a pact that if CKP can get back to .500 at some point yet this year, we will all buy a ticket and go root for this team in the very next home game.
Anybody else in? There will be plenty of tickets available…..
Anybody else in? There will be plenty of tickets available…..
IMO no matter how the players feel about Louisville, it’s probably time to move on from everyone(Except for Ty maybe). KP’s installed a culture of losing, not caring, and no consequences. That’s hard to get past mentally, speaking from experience, and going into a school after a coaching change. Let’s keep at most 1 guy and get a complete reset. That’s what the program needs I feel like
Right now we are so bad that everyone is on suicide watch. Going 15-15 for me is still a huge failure and I think we would need a coaching change.
Having attended most games since the early 1980s, I can only imagine what a miserable experience having to attend a men's basketball game must be now. I stopped trying several years ago once the future became clearer. Even then, looking at a half empty arena and U of L kids who should have been playing for the other team was not something special or that I wanted to repeat.
I applaud anyone who still goes to games and wish you have more opportunities to be rewarded. I just don't think that's gonna happen nor is it easy to predict a brighter future. I'm increasingly of the belief that the tin foil hat crowd has been right: this has been the plan all along...
I applaud anyone who still goes to games and wish you have more opportunities to be rewarded. I just don't think that's gonna happen nor is it easy to predict a brighter future. I'm increasingly of the belief that the tin foil hat crowd has been right: this has been the plan all along...
I don’t even watch them on TV anymore or even know when their next game is. I follow everything else Louisville sports but not men’s basketball.
We weren’t losing in last second shots to good teams. That’s the problem. The level of competition has not been great and when the opponent is even decent they usually run us out of the building.
I have never advised people to boycott games to show their displeasure with the team. The participants never see that as a positive.You applaud people that are helping Payne be retained.
Addressing your concern, I also doubt that a few hundred people attending games at the margin will have any bearing on Payne keeping his job...
My father moved us here from Harlan in 1971… he and Coach Crum were hired the same year. Both passed away this year. I have been a huge fan since age 12 and I too no longer watch the games. the Current state of the program is very sad for me