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You will never convince me that the OM job is better that our's.
You will never convince me that the OM job is better that our's.
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You will never convince me that the OM job is better that our's.
You will never convince me that the OM job is better that our's.
talking about our facilities are just that, idiots. Outside of the stadium, everything is brand new and state of the art. And while our stadium is only small by SEC standards, it's middle of the pack at worst. And there's plenty of space to expand it. Bottom line, we have the financial ability to attract a real candidate, and the facilities to bring in good recruits.
They are fairly comparable...Nutt fell into their lap,
I don't think they had such a great time with their last hire (O). I think he was about 4th choice.
I don't think they had such a great time with their last hire (O). I think he was about 4th choice.
Let's face it, we've sucked for the vast majority of our history. Going to bowl games and competing against the big boys satisfies the vast majority of State fans. Jackie went to 6 bowl games his first 10 years, losing his first 4, and had he retired after 2000 there would be a big statue of him on campus right now.
When someone says that State is in the middle to bottom third of the conference in this or that, really that still has us very high up nationally. Pay for instance, small by SEC standards but pretty good nationally.</p>
was he ever officially "fired"? He was 100% gone that season anyway. I seem to recall that they fired him and then Ole Miss hired him like the next day.
is we can up the pay if we choose to. Like I said, we have a lot of untapped resources, but it's going to take a good product and someone with some vision to tap them. I think Byrne potentially has that vision, but now we have to bring in the product, and that means getting a young coach who knows what he's doing and has an exciting offense.
Just like Fulmer and Bowden. I believe the out-going president even offered him another year but for all intents and purposes, he would have been a goner after 08.
is they mention that this is a bad year to try to find a coach because Clemson, UT, and maybe Auburn (as well as Washington and probably Syracuse) will be looking for a new coach. The thing is, we're not going to be going after the same people, unless Chris Hatcher has a heck of a lot more respect than I thought. I really think we need to go after Todd Graham, because he probably is the very best that we can get and he has won at both Rice and Tulsa. Certainly if Lane Kiffen wanted to come to MSU for some reason, by all means we need to welcome him with open arms, but anyone that is halfway honest knows that's not going to happen.
I definitely think that resource-wise the jobs are about the same. We're both going to be paying in the lower half of the SEC. We've both got good, new facilities (so does everyone else in the SEC). And we're both going to be fighting an uphill battle against our league opponents.
I really don't see a whole lot of difference. It's not like either program can afford to pay significantly more than the other, and it's not like either program is comparable to Alabama, LSU, UGA, etc. We're both lower tier BCS programs in the same state.
You could make arguments for one program over the other, but at the end of the day, they're similar jobs.
I really don't see a whole lot of difference. It's not like either program can afford to pay significantly more than the other, and it's not like either program is comparable to Alabama, LSU, UGA, etc. We're both lower tier BCS programs in the same state.
You could make arguments for one program over the other, but at the end of the day, they're similar jobs.
Todd4State said:
We were in the same boat last year with Georgia Tech, Michigan, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Arkansas all trying to make hires in the same off-season.
And you are right, you aren't necessarily going to be competing with all of those teams for coaches. However, if you wait around too long, you may be competing against the teams that lose their coaches to those other schools. That's why it was so important for us to move quickly last year during the hiring process. We needed to beat the 2nd round of hires.
For the record, I really think it's a moot ("mute" for the idiots on the board) point. Croom may get canned, but I think you'll have him around for another year.
is tradition and history. The fact that Vaught was able to win there, and then you have players like Deuce and the Manning's makes it more attractive because it's been proven that you can win and draw good players there.
At the same time, and this is going to sound contradictory to what I just said, the fact that we have so much room for growth makes MSU attractive. You can come into MSU and there's not really a whole lot of traditions that you have to worry about stepping on peoples feet on. All we want is our freaking maroon helmets back and an offense.
At the same time, and this is going to sound contradictory to what I just said, the fact that we have so much room for growth makes MSU attractive. You can come into MSU and there's not really a whole lot of traditions that you have to worry about stepping on peoples feet on. All we want is our freaking maroon helmets back and an offense.
but it was no use
They all base that the Ole Miss job is so much more desirable than MSU becasue of the towns. I hate this argument. I have spent a lot of time in both towns and have never noticed that much difference. They are both unique because they are small college towns. It is simply ridiculous.
Plus Starkville has the best tap water in America
They all base that the Ole Miss job is so much more desirable than MSU becasue of the towns. I hate this argument. I have spent a lot of time in both towns and have never noticed that much difference. They are both unique because they are small college towns. It is simply ridiculous.
Plus Starkville has the best tap water in America
but I would say that MSU would be more attractive than Vandy or Tulsa, plus based on how Byrne handled the Cohen hire, (It's all we really have to go off of at this point) I don't think he will wait around to make a move. I thought we should have waited until after the SR's to make a move, but Cohen was hired before that, and we had interviewed at least five coaches during the postseason.
Todd4State said:
Exactly my point. For every point you could use to say one job is a little better than the other, you could make a counterpoint to say that the other is better.
I still contend that they are essentially equal. Certain coaches would probably prefer one job over the other, but that really just depends on personal preference more than anything else. And honestly, that's the thing most of our fans have the most trouble admitting. Neither fanbase wants to admit that the other program might be its equal.
Why is iti n every argument btween OM and MSU some ******* always brings up this type of ****?
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Nov 5, 2008 12:13 PM
Taken from WHERE FOOTBALL IS KING: A HISTORY OF THE SEC.
1. All time Bowl appearances 17. Ole Miss with 31 bowl games.
All time Bowl victories 10. Ole Miss with a 19-12 record.
State didn't make the top 25 of either list with a bowl record 7-6.
2. All-time final Associated Press Poll (Which is each schools average rating in the polls.)
Ole Miss - 23
Ms State - 66
3. National Awards won at each school
Ole Miss - Maxwell award, Groza award, Unitas Golden Arm award, Butkus award
Ms State - 0
Posts: 11
Nov 5, 2008 12:13 PM
Taken from WHERE FOOTBALL IS KING: A HISTORY OF THE SEC.
1. All time Bowl appearances 17. Ole Miss with 31 bowl games.
All time Bowl victories 10. Ole Miss with a 19-12 record.
State didn't make the top 25 of either list with a bowl record 7-6.
2. All-time final Associated Press Poll (Which is each schools average rating in the polls.)
Ole Miss - 23
Ms State - 66
3. National Awards won at each school
Ole Miss - Maxwell award, Groza award, Unitas Golden Arm award, Butkus award
Ms State - 0
I agree on those programs. But what happens if someone hires Brian Kelly and/or Tim Brewster and now you have Cincinnati and Minnesota competing with you in the same market for coaches. I'd say that both of those programs would probably be competing for the same crop of coaches, which is why I say that it is best to make a quick move.
Now, as I've said, I think Croom is given another year. Also, the only way I really see him getting canned is if a Cutcliffe situation happens where Byrne asks him to make changes and Croom refuses. However, if that were to happen, and then Byrne chose to let him go, you'd be a few weeks behind, and the market would already be saturated with the 2nd round teams searching for replacement coaches. That's one of the reasons we got in trouble in 2004, along with the fact that the firing wasn't looked at kindly in coaching circles. We were late to the party, and we were not quick to make a move once we got there, which left us scraping for Orgeron.
Now, as I've said, I think Croom is given another year. Also, the only way I really see him getting canned is if a Cutcliffe situation happens where Byrne asks him to make changes and Croom refuses. However, if that were to happen, and then Byrne chose to let him go, you'd be a few weeks behind, and the market would already be saturated with the 2nd round teams searching for replacement coaches. That's one of the reasons we got in trouble in 2004, along with the fact that the firing wasn't looked at kindly in coaching circles. We were late to the party, and we were not quick to make a move once we got there, which left us scraping for Orgeron.
I agree. There isn't ANY difference between Starkville and Oxford. Oxford's/OM's advantage over State/Starkville is it's proximately to Memphis. OM gets some backing from the Memphis media during football season. State has zero media backing. Unless you count the Columbus media. This makes a difference in attracting fans and recruits. Thus making the job a little easier at OM.
One more thing, I will wade into that might not be received well by some of you naive mfers.....one advantage a OM coach has over a MSU coach, the support of the University to do whatever necessary to win. Like not tolerating squat from in the instate rival just to name one. Also, their "boosters" have a little more money than State has. </p>
One more thing, I will wade into that might not be received well by some of you naive mfers.....one advantage a OM coach has over a MSU coach, the support of the University to do whatever necessary to win. Like not tolerating squat from in the instate rival just to name one. Also, their "boosters" have a little more money than State has. </p>
and didn't really compete w/ anybody since we made the hire so quick so om last year is not analagous to state this year.
And even though state may not directly compete w/ UT or Clemson, those hires could be of a sitting coach who now needs to be replaced at a school that would compete w/ MSU. I think its a moot point anyway.
And even though state may not directly compete w/ UT or Clemson, those hires could be of a sitting coach who now needs to be replaced at a school that would compete w/ MSU. I think its a moot point anyway.
rebelrouseri said:
Exactly what I was saying. The best thing to do is find your guy and make it happen quick, like we did, especially if it's a year when there is a lot of coaching turnover, which apparently is going to be the case every year from now on. Had we not made a quick move, we'd have been competing with a lot of 2nd wave schools that would be looking to replace hired away coaches, and it would've been a lot more difficult.
If State does make a move, Byrne will need to do the same thing and make a swift hire. However, like I said, I believe that if State makes a change this year, it'll probably be after the evaluation period, which will leave them competing with that second wave of programs.
...in any meaningful way, but, the job is infinitely more attractive in 2008 than it was in 2003.