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chisportlover91

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jwarigaku said:
Perhaps to avoid ESL?
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I don't think they would avoid ESL, Phillips has really good Program. Last year during the 6A playoffs Phillips stood strong against the Fox Valley. if they want to be in 7A let them boys play, They got a 4A and 5A Championship Already. let them Petition up. The Question should be why is Simeon coming down to 6A.
 
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Doctor_D

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Anyone have the link to schools that are playing up? Multiplier/waivers? And success factor?

Never mind, I found it.
 
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Marica_rivals226105

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The coach mentions districts coming as it's for certain, wasn't there still a chance of it not happening?
Is there a latest link to what Mt. Carmel's district would be?
 
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Cross Bones

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greatgig13 said:
Because 6A teams never get considered as best in state? Perhaps Phillips wants a shot at the Illinois title.
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We welcome them to 8A. No one ever requests up to 8A. Why? I want enough schools to request up that it pushed The Brook to 7A.
 
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I thought you couldn't reclassify anymore after last year?

And why does the outlook have Naz at 5a?
 
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The IHSA has now taken over ruling on CPS transfers that are in question. Could Phillip's have just beaten them to the punch? I know this has been a sore point for the MC guys with recruiting off their roster. Just food for thought.
 
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LHSTigers94

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Cross Bones said:
We welcome them to 8A. No one ever requests up to 8A. Why? I want enough schools to request up that it pushed The Brook to 7A.
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Only two schools have requested up correct? ESL started after winning the 7A title to remain in 7A. There was never a desire to be the best in the state. I personally don't think there is any difference between 8A and 7A. There are a few schools that proved this point. MC, WWS, LWE, etc. all have won a title at both levels in some cases back to back.
 
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godfthr53

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When is/was the deadline to petition up? IMO it needs to be before the season and before you can gauge the competition in each class.
 
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Carmel could have already had out of conference opponents set up, didnt think it would benefit them, or was like **** em for poaching our kids. Even just after the entrance exam catholic schools are supposed to lay off other schools kids. So real pimpy if kid is already enrolled.
I get free is free but unless Phillips has a special academic program for football players idk how as a parent you think a school so terrible academically is a good move.
 
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Cross Bones

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LHSTigers94 said:
Only two schools have requested up correct? ESL started after winning the 7A title to remain in 7A. There was never a desire to be the best in the state. I personally don't think there is any difference between 8A and 7A. There are a few schools that proved this point. MC, WWS, LWE, etc. all have won a title at both levels in some cases back to back.
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No I think IC requested up to 2A a while back. I think there was another in the smaller classes.

There's a huge difference between the two.
 
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If size doesn't matter, I'd like to see my school petition down and try to keep their state title win streak going.

 
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Cross Bones

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LHSTigers94 said:
What do you feel is the difference? Especially the "Huge" difference.
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It's the difference in SCN going to the finals and The Brook being ousted in the 1st Rd. I think a few years back ESL had a knock down dragout with Bradley in the playoffs. When we play Bradley if it's close I know we are not making noise in the post season, if we even make it.

A lot of those teams you get in the 2nd and 3rd round in 7A aren't making it out of the 1st Rd a class up. And to me that doesn't mean they're bad, it means they're in a lower class and should be outmanned.
 
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Respect for the Wildcats to pass on a potential cake walk to 6A semifinals and possible title game bid. 7A juggernaut is no joke!!!! That offense may not be strong enough to make a deep run in 7A Heck if they get put out then back to prep bowl where a possible matchup versus St Rita (hoping they make 5A field) could be on horizon .


-Deadline to petition up is Sept 1st
-Phillips v MC will bring the entire Eastside and CPS supporters out. That matchup needs to happen, Wildcats may be blacklisted by city privates.
- bring back a real Chicago showcase, for crying out loud we are 3rd biggest city in USA, we cant get a showcase like ESL Classic.....MC v Phillips, ESTL v Simeon, Rice v HF, Rita v Brook ...something like that. Bring in districts so we get real matchups non conference
 
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LHSTigers94

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Cross Bones said:
It's the difference in SCN going to the finals and The Brook being ousted in the 1st Rd. I think a few years back ESL had a knock down dragout with Bradley in the playoffs. When we play Bradley if it's close I know we are not making noise in the post season, if we even make it.

A lot of those teams you get in the 2nd and 3rd round in 7A aren't making it out of the 1st Rd a class up. And to me that doesn't mean they're bad, it means they're in a lower class and should be outmanned.
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At the same token, Eville make the semis after we whoop them. I don't think you can look at a team and say the division is bad because how the matchups fall. In both divisions despite 1-32, some paths are easier than others. It all depends on how things fall. Didn't MC beat LA last year but lost to MS. Based on your theory, If LA won 8A and MC beat LA shouldn't MC be considered tops to win 8A? What really happened is MC beat LA and played a much different game when they played St. Charles North in the semis.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
At the same token, Eville make the semis after we whoop them. I don't think you can look at a team and say the division is bad because how the matchups fall. In both divisions despite 1-32, some paths are easier than others. It all depends on how things fall. Didn't MC beat LA last year but lost to MS. Based on your theory, If LA won 8A and MC beat LA shouldn't MC be considered tops to win 8A? What really happened is MC beat LA and played a much different game when they played St. Charles North in the semis.
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You're looking at a handful of teams I am looking at the class as a whole. So the year you have a bad game and are in a shootout with Bradley if that is a better team like Waubonsie you're going home for the rest of the post season.

You keep wanting to compare the tops of the classes, it's not the tops it's the middles and bottoms.
 
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LHSTigers94

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Cross Bones said:
You're looking at a handful of teams I am looking at the class as a whole. So the year you have a bad game and are in a shootout with Bradley if that is a better team like Waubonsie you're going home for the rest of the post season.

You keep wanting to compare the tops of the classes, it's not the tops it's the middles and bottoms.
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Actually I am not. I witness a bad BE team come up to Waubonsie and send them home. That same WV team that you suggest would have won where BB couldn't. You are using theory versus looking at the matchups. It's not about class as much as it is about matchups.

The close game with BB came from them putting their QB 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage to negate the pressure giving them more time to throw which force the DB to cover longer than 3 seconds. It was a great game plan that they executed perfectly. If Rochester, a 4A school, came up with the same game plan that day, the results could have been different. I respect coaching and game planning regardless of class. Often time in the same class, a team can have different results in the playoff bracket based on matchups.

The same Glenbard North who made noise in 8A lost in 7A. Does that make 7A better? The same MC that struggled in 8A until they finally broke through struggles in 7A as well.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
Actually I am not. I witness a bad BE team come up to Waubonsie and send them home. That same WV team that you suggest would have won where BB couldn't. You are using theory versus looking at the matchups. It's not about class as much as it is about matchups.

The close game with BB came from them putting their QB 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage to negate the pressure giving them more time to throw which force the DB to cover longer than 3 seconds. It was a great game plan that they executed perfectly. If Rochester, a 4A school, came up with the same game plan that day, the results could have been different. I respect coaching and game planning regardless of class. Often time in the same class, a team can have different results in the playoff bracket based on matchups.

The same Glenbard North who made noise in 8A lost in 7A. Does that make 7A better? The same MC that struggled in 8A until they finally broke through struggles in 7A as well.
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I think you are. The point isn't that WV was great. The point is they're better than Bradley and if you play bad like you did against WV you're going home for the rest of the playoffs.

I mean look at NV for example. People who follow 8A probably recognize them as a good program. This year they'll be somewhere in the middle of the pack in 8A. But they were able to push you guys to the limit. Now, which middle of the pack 7A school is going to do that?

And if 7A and 8A are the same why stop at 7A every time? The answer is schools that are accustomed to and want to go deep don't want that "NV" 1st round matchup when they can have Andrew.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
Only two schools have requested up correct? ESL started after winning the 7A title to remain in 7A. There was never a desire to be the best in the state. I personally don't think there is any difference between 8A and 7A. There are a few schools that proved this point. MC, WWS, LWE, etc. all have won a title at both levels in some cases back to back.
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The difference in 7a and 8a is felt during the playoffs. I don't think that anyone would argue that the best 7a teams don't belong in the same conversation with the best 8a teams. The difference is that in the playoffs, generally speaking, the 8a brackets are the most loaded of any class. 8a is just the toughest road towards a championship and having an off game at any point is that much more problematic.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
At the same token, Eville make the semis after we whoop them. I don't think you can look at a team and say the division is bad because how the matchups fall. In both divisions despite 1-32, some paths are easier than others. It all depends on how things fall. Didn't MC beat LA last year but lost to MS. Based on your theory, If LA won 8A and MC beat LA shouldn't MC be considered tops to win 8A? What really happened is MC beat LA and played a much different game when they played St. Charles North in the semis.
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Sports aren't as cut and dry as you seem to imply here. Teams have ups and downs during the course of the season. Sometimes they figure things out and get better and sometimes a team can even decline. It's a game of momentum and both teams (Eville & Loyola) that you mentioned had extreme turn arounds during the course of their season and were very different and obviously much better teams by the time that the playoffs arrived.
 
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playboymixx said:
Wait, I thought teams got extra respect for moving up a class. Plus, won't Eastside likely be 5A? I've always respected Eastside for moving up, I'll give Phillips that same respect.
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Definitely Brother, Phillips should get mad respect for playing up, but the way these old Football programs are set up they don’t want nobody new to come Shine.
 
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chisportlover91 said:
Definitely Brother, Phillips should get mad respect for playing up, but the way these old Football programs are set up they don’t want nobody new to come Shine.
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Just have to give credit where it's due. It's early, but at this point, 7A looks like it could be really tough this year and yet Phillips still wants to move up? That's worthy of respect in my book.
 
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I think you are. The point isn't that WV was great. The point is they're better than Bradley and if you play bad like you did against WV you're going home for the rest of the playoffs.

I mean look at NV for example. People who follow 8A probably recognize them as a good program. This year they'll be somewhere in the middle of the pack in 8A. But they were able to push you guys to the limit. Now, which middle of the pack 7A school is going to do that?

And if 7A and 8A are the same why stop at 7A every time? The answer is schools that are accustomed to and want to go deep don't want that "NV" 1st round matchup when they can have Andrew.
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I agree that the point wasn’t that NV or BB or WV was great. My point is no matter what class, if the team you are playing against match up well, you will have problems regardless of class. You assumed that the results of the BB game was a bad day. The reality was we had a weakness that BB had the personal and the game plan to exploit. If you didn’t have that formula, you wouldn’t be successful no matter what class you were in.

Montini, a 5A team was able to exploit some things that 6a and 7A teams couldn’t. For you let’s take LWE before moving back to 8A. Had Your beloved played them in the playoffs, there was a strong chance that would be your last game.

Let’s go back to 15 when WV at 5-4 had a magical run based off the matchups they received in the playoffs in 8A. Had they been one seed higher or lower they may have lost the first round. That same WV could have played an 8-1 7A team and lost first round as well.

I am saying it has less to do with the class and more to do with the actual matchup regardless of class. Certain teams match up better than others. Playoff is strictly about matchups which is what St N showed you last year. One loss put them in a much better playoff situation. They were able to play MC after a physical game with ESL. Do you think the results would have been the same had they play MC in the second round? I don’t.

Your theory make sense if you think the results will be the same every time.

Another point is I don’t recall ever in 7A where two teams from the same conference was in the championship game. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
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