Strategic Firing by Stoops.....
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uh well the offense WAS a complete dumpster fire. With the talent on offense all being back AND a year older we regressed back to pre-stoops levels. Sorry but I'm ok with it and think it could help if he can bring in a guy that is experienced.
He was also the QB coach and our QB's showed no improvement whatsoever throughout the year. Towles actually got worse.
He was also the QB coach and our QB's showed no improvement whatsoever throughout the year. Towles actually got worse.
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Stupid take, sorry for the truth. Stoops job is in no jeopardy, he was not going to be fired if he kept Dawson or not. Everyone here knows the contract numbers, Stoops job is safe until Dec 2017 no matter who his OC is.
Stupid take, sorry for the truth. Stoops job is in no jeopardy, he was not going to be fired if he kept Dawson or not. Everyone here knows the contract numbers, Stoops job is safe until Dec 2017 no matter who his OC is.
Especially when you are dead last in the SEC IN PAYING your assistants! With all of the new resources and a highly ranked recruiting class I would like to think that they would step up and PAY for a top quality coach! If not you can recruit and build all you want but unless you don't have the coaches you are taking two steps forward and then 3 steps back!
I am kind of upset by this whole thing. Too much information pointing to the divide in the locker room not being among the players as to which quarterback to be behind, but rather a divide between Stoops and Dawson. I find this very disturbing for the short term future of our beloved football wildcats. Maybe all the talk about Stoops meddling in the offenses play calling are true. If so then we are in deep doo doo in my opinion. I sure hope we can recover from this whole fiasco, but I am kind of pessimistic at this moment.
Hal, your exactly right. Somebody had to go, and with so much adverse fan reaction, Dawson was the one a lot of fans wanted gone, so Stoops covered his A$$. Stoops had better show a lot of improvement this year, or his A$$ will be gone.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
How many times do you have to be told you're wrong in order for you to get it. Stoops isn't going anywhere this year or next.
And to the poster who said he'll screw up again? Do you honestly think one bad hire means someone is incapable of making good hires? That's equally dumb.
All vitriol for Stoops truly surprises me. The guy has been far from perfect, but we are better off then before he got here, that is undeniable.
Go and get the best OC in the game and pay him 2 mil if you have too. Demote the DC to DL where he does a good job at and get Pelini or another really good DC and pay him the $ as well. This is what other programs do that are successful.
Some advice for folks arguing with the clueless "Stoops will never be on the hot seat before 2017" crew.
There were actually fans defending Joker up until the bitter end on these boards.
People refusing to acknowledge the impact of fan dissatisfaction on a coach's job security are not worth debating.
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There were actually fans defending Joker up until the bitter end on these boards.
People refusing to acknowledge the impact of fan dissatisfaction on a coach's job security are not worth debating.
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Excellent point. Those same clueless posters will be pointing the finger at Stoops when the next guy hits troubled waters.
People acknowledging that Barnhardt will NOT let Stoops go for 2 more years regardless of his success or lack thereof is not necessarily them supporting Stoops.
Common sense and knowing how Barnhardt operates is all you need.
Common sense and knowing how Barnhardt operates is all you need.
I am glad all threads are archived now. If Stoops (much like Brooks) is on the chopping block after year 3 from a good number of fans and he turns it around (like I fully expect him to) it's going to be a lot of fun bumping these threads back to the front and laughing at some of you. It will be awesome I can't lie I'm looking forward to it
Fan attendance is what will put Stoops on the hot seat.
A 4/5 season next year and there will only be 15k -20k in the stands.
A 4/5 season next year and there will only be 15k -20k in the stands.
Perhaps this is true. However, that is an even more dangerous situation in terms of Stoops and his security.
So many UK fans have little faith in Barnhart in terms of him actually reaching a point of disgust in how the football program is being run and performing. What happened under Joker was by no means a situation where fans just lost interest in UK football. That was a boycott because they felt like their AD was in a pissing match with them over whether or not fan opinion matters.
If UK struggles out of the gate next season, the fans will stop showing up for the same reasons. It's the unique situation that exists at UK and it most certainly doesn't help Stoops. Its made worse by the fact that Stoops is following a colossal failure in hiring by Barnhart and then the "microwave society" BS that he fired at fans who were disgruntled.
Now, I'm not saying that Stoops absolutely will be fired after next season, but my gut tells me it will happen. Not because I want it to happen, but because the circumstances will make it impossible to avoid.
I think CMS is in over his head, first time head coach with first time DC and OC recipe for disaster
kb22 stink, try reading more then one post before posting. I have been one of Stoops biggest supporters, but let him go 5-7 next year, and he will be gone. There won't be 20,000 fans in CWS, and if that's the case, it "adios amigo".
The recruiting is much better off, but the W's and L's aren't much different. I've always believed a coach needs 5 years to prove himself, but he has to show IMPROVEMENT during the first 4 years.
Dawson is not Stoops only bad hire, and there were other OC's he could have hired, when he hired Dawson. In fact, my understanding is, Dawson was WV OC only in name.
Ask Joker what happens when the fans quit coming?
I really can't believe there is anyone other than Barnhart on the Stoops bandwagon. Look if you don't like Dawson who hired him? This is just another example of an inept head coachin move. His two OC's that he vetted and hired are gone and not for better jobs!
I took up for him for him in his first season. Bailed on him pretty quickly in his second. You could see the talent level and recruiting getting worse. It's an undeniable fact that our entire roster is being stacked with more talent than ever before. Comparing Stoops to Joker is pretty moronic to say the least
Stoops to coach offense, defense and special teams next season. He will also pop the popcorn and lead the dance squad.
At best the head coaching job at Troy is equal to the UK OC job and that's at the very best.
Not even remotely likely. Football minds know your new recruits won't make a difference until they mature physically and mentally. His first real class would have been red shirt freshmen on a real SEC team. Rebuilding doesn't give you that luxury.
What an incredibly misinformed and untrue dissertation on CMS job status. You are clearly entitled to your opinion regardless of the facts.
UK was 96th in scoring offense (24 pts a game...down 5pts a game from year before)
UK 87 in TOs lost
So UK was way below average in scoring and to boot was pretty awful at protecting the ball...what do you expect Stoops to do..stick with that hot mess? I give Stoops heat for making a bad decision on an OC who was never in charge under Holgerson at WVU...but I don't blame Stoops for the quick trigger.
Now just please hire an OC that fits your identity...if you want to run the ball with more balance, then please hire an OC that runs the ball and not this goofy air raid formation crap/does not run the QB to keep defense off balance please!
UK 87 in TOs lost
So UK was way below average in scoring and to boot was pretty awful at protecting the ball...what do you expect Stoops to do..stick with that hot mess? I give Stoops heat for making a bad decision on an OC who was never in charge under Holgerson at WVU...but I don't blame Stoops for the quick trigger.
Now just please hire an OC that fits your identity...if you want to run the ball with more balance, then please hire an OC that runs the ball and not this goofy air raid formation crap/does not run the QB to keep defense off balance please!
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Thanks for your comment. I'm quite sure there will be opinions based more on fact than conjecture.
The last two sentences are straight up fact.
What is wrong with a little prediction based on fact?
I remember posting at the time that the "fan revolt" might just come back to haunt UK. Now disgruntled fans have extra motivation to be increasingly negative, to call in shows to complain, to stay at home, etc.
If we finish next season with only -
4 wins: No bowl. Barney will dump CMS quickly in order to try and save his own job (I hope Barney is then fired as well).
5 wins: No bowl. Barney may stand behind CMS due to high cost of the buy-out and try and sell the notion we are about to turn things around and more time is warranted.
6 wins: We go bowling and CMS earns more time to build a program where success has never been easy.
Ticket sales will be the ultimate factor in determining the fate of Barney and CMS. Kentucky football fans are simply not going to accept a losing program anymore, Barney and his superiors better wake-up to this reality.
4 wins: No bowl. Barney will dump CMS quickly in order to try and save his own job (I hope Barney is then fired as well).
5 wins: No bowl. Barney may stand behind CMS due to high cost of the buy-out and try and sell the notion we are about to turn things around and more time is warranted.
6 wins: We go bowling and CMS earns more time to build a program where success has never been easy.
Ticket sales will be the ultimate factor in determining the fate of Barney and CMS. Kentucky football fans are simply not going to accept a losing program anymore, Barney and his superiors better wake-up to this reality.
You are in a dream state induced by whatever means you deem appropriate to your cause. Keep on dreaming, my friend, and click your heels twice to see what happens at Nutter Center.
For the 1000th time CMS is not going anywhere for the next few years. Get over it.