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Anon1760269333

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Let’s stay on point here….

The IHSA made immediate changes last year because of the lack of competitive title games & too many privates winning.
As a result of their efforts….us fans are going to watch a weekend filled with….blowouts….again.

So, did any of this actually help anything?

What if, the success factor applied to everyone.

Lena would be 2A.
Byron would be 4A.
Rochester would be 5A.
East St Louis would be 7A. Assuming IHSA rules would override their conference rule.

Wilmington would still be 2A…I think.

And what if they go back to the 1.65 multiplier not going into effect based on a single playoff win?

Hope would be 1A
Bishop Mac would be 2A
Aurora Christian would be 1A
St Laurence would be 5A

The rules that were implemented did nothing. Chicago Christian, DePaul and Altoff didn’t even make the playoffs and much of these rules were because of them.

No matter what multiplier/success factors the state applies it doesn’t affect the CCL.

Think this would provide a much better upcoming weekend for all.
 
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4Afan

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Anon1760269333 said:
Let’s stay on point here….

The IHSA made immediate changes last year because of the lack of competitive title games & too many privates winning.
As a result of their efforts….us fans are going to watch a weekend filled with….blowouts….again.

So, did any of this actually help anything?

What if, the success factor applied to everyone.

Lena would be 2A.
Byron would be 4A.
Rochester would be 5A.
East St Louis would be 7A. Assuming IHSA rules would override their conference rule.

Wilmington would still be 2A…I think.

And what if they go back to the 1.65 multiplier not going into effect based on a single playoff win?

Hope would be 1A
Bishop Mac would be 2A
Aurora Christian would be 1A
St Laurence would be 5A

The rules that were implemented did nothing. Chicago Christian, DePaul and Altoff didn’t even make the playoffs and much of these rules were because of them.

No matter what multiplier/success factors the state applies it doesn’t affect the CCL.

Think this would provide a much better upcoming weekend for all.
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Byron and Rochester would not be success factored using the existing rules. Neither was in the last two title games.
 
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Anon1760269333

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4Afan said:
Pretty sure the existing rules is two consecutive title games.
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“Beginning in 2025-26, the Success Adjustment Policy will encompass a rolling three-year period. Entering each school year, if a team has won two state final trophies in the past three years in a sport, they will then be subject to the adjustment and move up one class in that sport.”
 
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Would love for ESTL to petition up so they can play Mt Carmel in coming years.. Although privates dominate, for the individuals who don’t think the top public programs recruit are naive… LWE, Naperville central late 2010’s through the end of steins era.. been going on for a long long time. And that’s peoples biggest claim is the recruiting aspect but people forget that it’s still very expensive, and some public schools have more freshman football players than some CCL teams varsity rosters… at the end of the day too, the CCL you have a battle week in and week out which more than prepares you for November…
 
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Bubbajoesam

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Every year I hear the same complaints about the system. It most likely will never change. The only desirable way is to seed playoffs 1-32 or whatever number they make it next year. Success factor for public schools. No, how about work harder and get in weight room. Start your youth program and have them run your stuff. Not random stuff. Be there and coach the coaches. The non-boundary schools do have a distinct advantage. But after doing this for over 35 years. That will not change. Just need to work hard and beat them. They certainly have good players and the coaches. But the players are 15-18 year olds just like we all have in our programs. Focus on what you have and not what others have in their program. Wins will come when your standards are set and not when the field is clear. (my opinion)
 
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SiuCubFan8

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Bubbajoesam said:
Every year I hear the same complaints about the system. It most likely will never change. The only desirable way is to seed playoffs 1-32 or whatever number they make it next year. Success factor for public schools. No, how about work harder and get in weight room. Start your youth program and have them run your stuff. Not random stuff. Be there and coach the coaches. The non-boundary schools do have a distinct advantage. But after doing this for over 35 years. That will not change. Just need to work hard and beat them. They certainly have good players and the coaches. But the players are 15-18 year olds just like we all have in our programs. Focus on what you have and not what others have in their program. Wins will come when your standards are set and not when the field is clear. (my opinion)
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Yes, 5A and below seed 1-32, no brainer.
Yes, success factor for all schools.
Two, easy relatively minor changes that I think could have a positive impact on playoffs. But the IHSA isn't looking to actually improve the playoffs, that is the problem.
 
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SiuCubFan8 said:
Yes, 5A and below seed 1-32, no brainer.
Yes, success factor for all schools.
Two, easy relatively minor changes that I think could have a positive impact on playoffs. But the IHSA isn't looking to actually improve the playoffs, that is the problem.
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I think SF for all schools would be a complete non-starter. There is already a loud chorus of folks who complain about the privates now. A SF for the publics would be a step in the wrong direction for them.
 
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jha618 said:
I think SF for all schools would be a complete non-starter. There is already a loud chorus of folks who complain about the privates now. A SF for the publics would be a step in the wrong direction for them.
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Fine, they can keep complaining.
 
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OnVikings! said:
You might not be, but the entire South Side of Chicago will be tuning in or driving to Bloomington for BR vs. SR. This will far and away be the most popular title game the IHSA has had in recent memory. IHSA is about to get that bag💰💰💰.
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Better see it in the stands....
 
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Anon1760269333

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SiuCubFan8 said:
Yes, 5A and below seed 1-32, no brainer.
Yes, success factor for all schools.
Two, easy relatively minor changes that I think could have a positive impact on playoffs. But the IHSA isn't looking to actually improve the playoffs, that is the problem.
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Think those two and sees the tournament differently would provide a world of improvement.
 
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jha618 said:
Implementing a SF would be the opposite of what those publics are trying to accomplish. How would that in any way appease them?
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Never said it would appease them. I had two points piggy backing on another's post that I thought would make the playoffs better. That is it.
Anyway, I am pretty burn out about this topic of public/private. Public schools will never stop until zero titles are won by private schools.
I'll step away and enjoy my week off and not engage in a groundhog day conversation.
 
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jha618 said:
Implementing a SF would be the opposite of what those publics are trying to accomplish. How would that in any way appease them?
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A broader success factor would probably be beneficial for most schools self interest. The problem is many probably overstate their own position and don't want to punish that success they are sure they are just about to have themselves.

I disagree wholeheartedly with the concept of any success factor by the way, but just speaking rationally about self interests.
 
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jha618 said:
Implementing a SF would be the opposite of what those publics are trying to accomplish. How would that in any way appease them?
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Other public’s could have the opportunity to win other than LW in 1A for example. Ppl are too focused on tightening up only the Privates when they should take the blinders off and realize it would benefit the public’s as well.

As someone else said, make the SF apply to all schools or eliminate it altogether.
 
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Dave Brody said:
Other public’s could have the opportunity to win other than LW in 1A for example. Ppl are too focused on tightening up only the Privates when they should take the blinders off and realize it would benefit the public’s as well.

As someone else said, make the SF apply to all schools or eliminate it altogether.
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This is an excellent point. Rochester is another school that comes to mind. I believe they've won 9 titles. 8 in 4A. The one time they played for the 5A title, they won that too. I'm sure there are a few 4A public schools who would like to see them success factored up. And, Rochester could definitely consistently compete for the title in 5A, probably 6A too (sans ESL).
 
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jha618 said:
I think SF for all schools would be a complete non-starter. There is already a loud chorus of folks who complain about the privates now. A SF for the publics would be a step in the wrong direction for them.
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But it shouldn't be about that. It should be the IHSA leadership sitting down each year and re-evaluating what is in the best interest of the tournament they put on. When the games are about to be as lopsided as what were about to see - action is required.
 
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Colin2299 said:
But it shouldn't be about that. It should be the IHSA leadership sitting down each year and re-evaluating what is in the best interest of the tournament they put on. When the games are about to be as lopsided as what were about to see - action is required.
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But the problem lies in that the IHSA is a member run org. The IHSA doesn't care if the games are competitive(I mean I guess ya they do but not really), they put on the event and enforce rules.
 
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The private schools used to publish rosters with which elementary school their athletes went to. Did they stop doing that?
 
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Colin2299 said:
But it shouldn't be about that. It should be the IHSA leadership sitting down each year and re-evaluating what is in the best interest of the tournament they put on. When the games are about to be as lopsided as what were about to see - action is required.
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But it is. Id imagine the member schools will have to vote on a change like that. Would they want to vote on a change that would force them up in class when many of them are complaining that its the privates that need to be bumped up?
 
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SiuCubFan8 said:
But the problem lies in that the IHSA is a member run org. The IHSA doesn't care if the games are competitive(I mean I guess ya they do but not really), they put on the event and enforce rules.
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yes they are a member run org but....didn't all these changes to the multiplier etc happen without any proposal? Pretty sure the IHSA just put new rules into place without any vote.
 
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jha618 said:
But it is. Id imagine the member schools will have to vote on a change like that. Would they want to vote on a change that would force them up in class when many of them are complaining that its the privates that need to be bumped up?
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Colin2299 said:
some do - what's your point?
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Would like to see them.

I feel more than the success factor a better idea would be limiting the boundary to 15-20 miles. I would make exceptions for legacies though.

I mean it is about the private school education and that is pretty equal at all private schools isnt it?
 
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SiuCubFan8

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Colin2299 said:
yes they are a member run org but....didn't all these changes to the multiplier etc happen without any proposal? Pretty sure the IHSA just put new rules into place without any vote.
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They might have, I honestly don't remember nor did I really care. I wasn't going to change anything.
 
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