It's Brady. Two crazy plays (almost a 3rd tonight) away from 6-0.Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
Not a Packer fan... but thought those fans would be suffering for a looooong time.Originally posted by crazyqx83:
What a 1 play collapse. That was the dumbest play call in the history of the sport. You got a guy averaging 4 yards a carry in the game and a 6'5 guy they can't cover on the sidelines and you throw a quick slant to a 5'6 guy with no mass?
I thought green bay collapsed.
But AP did fumble on the one yard line in the 2010 NFC title game so it was just fate.Originally posted by Blind Karl Hess:
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
He just tried to get cute. Guess he figured everyone would bite on Lynch and the middle would be wide open.Originally posted by Blind Karl Hess:
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
False. Favre did. It was a botched handoff. Favre's fault. I am defending a fella who switched his kid in the ballsack until he bled from it. But that play was Favre's fault. I stared into the void and didn't interact with people the entire Monday following that Saints game. I remember it well. It was Favre's fault. But actually the right play call.Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
But AP did fumble on the one yard line in the 2010 NFC title game so it was just fate.![]()
Peyton never even got near the convo.Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
Unreal. I thought Wilson might keep it, just to avoid any kind of fumble situation.Originally posted by The_Catfather:
He just tried to get cute. Guess he figured everyone would bite on Lynch and the middle would be wide open.Originally posted by Blind Karl Hess:
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
With a timeout left, the best short-yardage RB in the league and the best running QB in the league...I still can't believe it happened. That kind of **** happens to UK football, not in the Super Bowl.
Honestly, I didn't really care for either team... just wanted a decent game, especially after last year's boring SB...Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
I love that Pete Carroll cost USC a title on a dumb 4th and 1 from midfield in the Rose Bowl against Texas with the lead and cost Seattle a Super Bowl with that call.
I'm glad they lost like I said before but especially with that fluke pass that got tipped and fell into Kearse's hands while he was on the ground. Hate seein teams win like that. Plus Sherman can't talk so much trash now.
You could even say Karma got the Lions first because of Suh's stomp... and probably should've been suspended for the game vs. Dallas.Originally posted by JayLookinUp:
These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
Yes. Sherman mouthing to the camera on the sideline was stupid. Even Deion called him out on that. Seahawks fighting at the end just shows how classless they are. Don't like the Pats, but the Seahawks sure need to grow up.Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
I love that Pete Carroll cost USC a title on a dumb 4th and 1 from midfield in the Rose Bowl against Texas with the lead and cost Seattle a Super Bowl with that call.
I'm glad they lost like I said before but especially with that fluke pass that got tipped and fell into Kearse's hands while he was on the ground. Hate seein teams win like that. Plus Sherman can't talk so much trash now.
Yeah. It's like each team that had a heart-breaking loss passed on their stink to the winner. Good thing for the Patriots they have no games left.Originally posted by JayLookinUp:
These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
Forgot about that. Crazy to think about.. If NE had a game next week no way I'd bet on them!Originally posted by dezyDeco:
You could even say Karma got the Lions first because of Suh's stomp... and probably should've been suspended for the game vs. Dallas.Originally posted by JayLookinUp:
These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
That's a fair argument, but I can't give any one player that much credit for what is largely team success. As I said elsewhere, Brady has nothing to do with the Pats run defense or offensive line or special teams. He's not on the field for 60% of the game, or whatever. Or, most importantly, coaching. Belichick is, IMO, the best coach in modern history. Manning has played for 4 head coaches, and three of them were fired. All a QB can do is play QB, and the best I've seen at the position were Marino and Manning. Manning/Brady is exactly the same conversation of 30 years ago re Montana/Marino. I think Marino and Manning would have been great quarterback where ever they might have been drafted. Montana had a very specific skill set - accuracy and poise, namely. He played for a wizard that was a decade ahead of everyone else in employing an offense that matched exactly Montana's traits. If Joe were a Saint, no one would have heard of him. Same with Brady. If he played for the Bucs, he'd have been a good QB, but no one would have said best ever cause he'd have no titles. Makes no sense to me for the primary characteristic in determining the best individual player is team success. The one time Manning did win a SB, it was with the worst run defense - not just that year, but in modern history.....Originally posted by Pope John Wall II:
Peyton never even got near the convo.Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
Most playoff games: Brady (29)
Most playoff wins: Brady (21)
Most Conference Games played: Brady (9)
Most Superbowl starts: Brady (6)
Most Superbowl wins: Brady (4)
Most completions, playoffs: Brady (683)
Most yards, playoffs: Brady (7345)
Most TDs, playoffs: Brady (53)
Most completions, Superbowl: Brady (164)
Most yards, Superbowl: Brady (1605)
Most TDs, Superbowl: Brady (13)
Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
Thanks to that botched last play, Brady was about to be 3 for 3 in superbowls, with not a single one not coming since spygate, and throwing two picks to lose the game... He would still be a great QB, but not GOAT.
Now? Because of Pete's ego, he's gonna be the greatest.. Pats fans are gloating, totally denying the deflate gate..
This wasn't like the Giants super bowls where they were lucky catches. Pats didn't blow those games. Last night, Seattle had won. Game over. And they blew it.
Sick to my stomach.
Yeah, those were all insane catches.. but it was nothing the Patriots really could have done. They left it all on the field, so to speak. But last night, was just a boneheaded move. I guess we should ask, who do you think felt worse, Pats fans becasue of an opposing teams miraculous catch? Or Seahawks fans because they had the game won and lost because of utter ineptness?Originally posted by Catman100:
Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
Thanks to that botched last play, Brady was about to be 3 for 3 in superbowls, with not a single one not coming since spygate, and throwing two picks to lose the game... He would still be a great QB, but not GOAT.
Now? Because of Pete's ego, he's gonna be the greatest.. Pats fans are gloating, totally denying the deflate gate..
This wasn't like the Giants super bowls where they were lucky catches. Pats didn't blow those games. Last night, Seattle had won. Game over. And they blew it.
Sick to my stomach.
Yea, but the other side of the coin says this, without 2 incredibly ridiculous catches, and almost one last night, Brady has 6 rings on his finger.
I think the guy definitely deserves to be in the GOAT conversation.
Teams use their own balls on offense. So Indy used properly inflated balls. Doesn't really matter probably, but the potential for a competitive gain is there.Originally posted by krazykats:
I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).
GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.
No. How do people still not understand this?? There are two different sets of balls. Patriots had over 90% of their balls deflated to make it easier to grab, handle, throw, and catch. Seahawks had the normal balls.Originally posted by krazykats:
I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).
GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.
The ball guy only had them unattended for 98 seconds in a bathroom, I'd assume to take a piss.Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
No. How do people still not understand this?? There are two different sets of balls. Patriots had over 90% of their balls deflated to make it easier to grab, handle, throw, and catch. Seahawks had the normal balls.
I'm also amazed how many people think this is just a non-story now. Maybe it will be, I don't know for sure. But if you ask me, we haven't even scratched the surface yet. Because here is what we know: The balls were taken off camera for 5 minutes by the ball boy, for no apparent reason, and were perfectly fine before going into this side room. There is no longer a weather factor. Atmospheric pressure didn't matter. This was no accident. What is still undetermined is where the call came from. Was it a rouge move, or did this come from Belichick himself?
I don't see how the Patriots don't lose a draft pick next year and assume a massive fine.
I believe that look on Shermans face while the interception was genuine, my face would have looked something like that if that types of ish happened to me in the super bowl too. Sherman was surprised and bewilderedOriginally posted by The_Catfather:
Great play by Butler, but no DB in the league doesn't jump that route. The only way the Patriots win the game is with a turnover. You knew they wouldn't throw towards Revis or Browner, so if they do call an unbelievably stupid pass play, it's coming to Butler.
I figured Belichick would call timeout when Seattle got the ball on the 1. If he had, surely Carroll would've vetoed that awful call from his OC. It's strange that everything worked out in New England's way after that crazy bouncing reception to set up the 1st and goal.
This post was edited on 2/2 3:12 PM by The_Catfather
Yep. Isn't the ball just as easy to catch for the defense as well? Dumbest scandal everOriginally posted by krazykats:
I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).
GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.