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It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
 

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I can't imagine the rage of people that bet the farm on Seattle.

Have to give it to Brady. Aside from the TOs, he torched that defense all night and might've cemented himself as the greatest QB ever. And I hate the Patriots.

If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
 

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Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
It's Brady. Two crazy plays (almost a 3rd tonight) away from 6-0.
 

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Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.
 

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Originally posted by crazyqx83:
What a 1 play collapse. That was the dumbest play call in the history of the sport. You got a guy averaging 4 yards a carry in the game and a 6'5 guy they can't cover on the sidelines and you throw a quick slant to a 5'6 guy with no mass?

I thought green bay collapsed.
Not a Packer fan... but thought those fans would be suffering for a looooong time.

Didn't think I'd see anything that would pain a group like that for a while.

Not a Seahawk fan... but that definitely tops the GB pain by miles.




Exciting game with unexpected finish. Last time that happened was the Bills kicker missing the would-be winning FG?
 

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Originally posted by Blind Karl Hess:
Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.
But AP did fumble on the one yard line in the 2010 NFC title game so it was just fate.
 

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Originally posted by Blind Karl Hess:
Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.
He just tried to get cute. Guess he figured everyone would bite on Lynch and the middle would be wide open.

With a timeout left, the best short-yardage RB in the league and the best running QB in the league...I still can't believe it happened. That kind of **** happens to UK football, not in the Super Bowl.
 

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Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
But AP did fumble on the one yard line in the 2010 NFC title game so it was just fate.
False. Favre did. It was a botched handoff. Favre's fault. I am defending a fella who switched his kid in the ballsack until he bled from it. But that play was Favre's fault. I stared into the void and didn't interact with people the entire Monday following that Saints game. I remember it well. It was Favre's fault. But actually the right play call.

Overall? Yikes, Bevell and Brad Childress were a nightmare.

I remember a really bad Favre pick on the 2 yard line in a game against Pittsburgh. I'm sure there were more.
 

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Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
Peyton never even got near the convo.

Most playoff games: Brady (29)
Most playoff wins: Brady (21)
Most Conference Games played: Brady (9)
Most Superbowl starts: Brady (6)
Most Superbowl wins: Brady (4)

Most completions, playoffs: Brady (683)
Most yards, playoffs: Brady (7345)
Most TDs, playoffs: Brady (53)
Most completions, Superbowl: Brady (164)
Most yards, Superbowl: Brady (1605)
Most TDs, Superbowl: Brady (13)
 

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Here is the deal,
, what a stupid play call. Besides that I can see where they felt like burning the play( I would have ran it anyway to burn one) and they already had the clock rolling and no need to burn a TO with 2 more plays to run with it. BUT, they didn't run it down as far as they could, AND the reality is if your really burning the play you don't put the ball in the middle of a congested field.

So while it was an awful play call, it was the worst decision by Russell Wilson( Mr Joe Cool )!!!

Brady is the Goat of QB all time!

Say what you want about Joe, he had way more talent around him every Super Bowl than Brady, especially better targets.
 

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Originally posted by The_Catfather:

Originally posted by Blind Karl Hess:

Originally posted by The_Catfather:
If I was Bevell, I wouldn't bother flying back to Seattle.
All of us who wear purple during NFL season empathize with Seattle fans, as Darrell Bevell was Minnesota's OC from 2006-10. We won many games. They were all chores to win. Lots of goal line pass plays. We had Adrian Peterson for 4 of those years, and still so many goal line pass plays.
He just tried to get cute. Guess he figured everyone would bite on Lynch and the middle would be wide open.

With a timeout left, the best short-yardage RB in the league and the best running QB in the league...I still can't believe it happened. That kind of **** happens to UK football, not in the Super Bowl.
Unreal. I thought Wilson might keep it, just to avoid any kind of fumble situation.

It seemed so certain, I could only wonder why NE wasn't calling a TO to possibly have additional seconds to try to do something.
 

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Even if you are going to throw the ball then why wouldn't you run play action? You could boot Wilson with a run/pass option. Since Lynch is in the backfield, I doubt there would have been a defender who didn't commit to stopping the run. Wilson probably would have walked in.

Just a crazy ending to the game. I still can't believe that call. Shouldn't take away from what was a fantastic game.
 

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At the end of the 1st half, when Seattle tied the score with the TD in about 30 seconds... when NE shouldn't even have let them into FG range, much less get the TD... I thought that would be looked back on as the "drive of the game" by everyone.



It'll pretty much be forgotten by every non-Seahawk fan, now.
 

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I love that Pete Carroll cost USC a title on a dumb 4th and 1 from midfield in the Rose Bowl against Texas with the lead and cost Seattle a Super Bowl with that call.

I'm glad they lost like I said before but especially with that fluke pass that got tipped and fell into Kearse's hands while he was on the ground. Hate seein teams win like that. Plus Sherman can't talk so much trash now.
 

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These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
 

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Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
I love that Pete Carroll cost USC a title on a dumb 4th and 1 from midfield in the Rose Bowl against Texas with the lead and cost Seattle a Super Bowl with that call.

I'm glad they lost like I said before but especially with that fluke pass that got tipped and fell into Kearse's hands while he was on the ground. Hate seein teams win like that. Plus Sherman can't talk so much trash now.
Honestly, I didn't really care for either team... just wanted a decent game, especially after last year's boring SB...

BUT I did want to see if Brady would work in a "You mad, Bro?" kind of statement in one of the interviews, if the Patriots won.

As far as I know, nothing like that from Tom... yet.
 

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Originally posted by JayLookinUp:
These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
You could even say Karma got the Lions first because of Suh's stomp... and probably should've been suspended for the game vs. Dallas.
 

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Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
I love that Pete Carroll cost USC a title on a dumb 4th and 1 from midfield in the Rose Bowl against Texas with the lead and cost Seattle a Super Bowl with that call.

I'm glad they lost like I said before but especially with that fluke pass that got tipped and fell into Kearse's hands while he was on the ground. Hate seein teams win like that. Plus Sherman can't talk so much trash now.
Yes. Sherman mouthing to the camera on the sideline was stupid. Even Deion called him out on that. Seahawks fighting at the end just shows how classless they are. Don't like the Pats, but the Seahawks sure need to grow up.
 

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Not a huge NFL fan, but the game outcome was very satisfying for me. Outside of Russell Wilson, the Seahawks, IMO, are one of the least likeable NFL teams I can ever remember. Hard for me to cheer for a team whose 'Faces of the Franchise' are Sherman and Lynch. My low opinion of the team and their coach was cemented when the no-name 'Hawks receiver pretended to take a dump on the football after scoring a TD, and when they instigated the 'butthurt loser' scuffle at the end. Sherman and his ilk found out the hard way that it's pretty fun to talk 'ish until someone turns around and force-feeds you a heepin'-helpin' serving of it.

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Sherman's reaction on the sideline when Butler intercepted that last pass.....Priceless ---- "You mad, bro?" :)

As others have said, that last Seattle play call will go down as one of the worst ever. Russell Wilson, the one Seahawks star with any visible redeeming qualities, will get criticized for as long as time stands for throwing that pick, but that's the nature of the beast, I suppose.

That said ---- I still cannot believe they didn't give the ball to Lynch!






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Originally posted by JayLookinUp:
These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
Yeah. It's like each team that had a heart-breaking loss passed on their stink to the winner. Good thing for the Patriots they have no games left.
 

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Not since Norman Dale diagrammed a play to use Jimmy Chitwood as a decoy has any coach over-thought the decisive moment of a game more than the Seahawks staff (I won't lay it on Pete Carroll alone.)

At least Chitwood had the sense to say, "I'll make it." Marshawn Lynch was probably thinking through his terrific diss of the media after the game.
 

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What is it with these coaches who have a dominant run game?

South Carolina was running the ball down UK's throat; then Spurrier decides to go to the fun and gun, and loses.

Alabama was running the ball down Ohio State's throat; then they get pass happy, OSU gets the momentum and wins the game.

Lynch was averaging something like 5 yards per carry. He was getting 4 yards when running straight up the middle. They don't think he can get 2 feet on three tries with the Superbowl on the line?
 

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Johnny Manziel has checked into a treatment center ... this according to multiple members of Manziel's camp.

A rep for the Cleveland Browns issued a statement saying, "Brad
Beckworth, friend and advisor to Manziel and his family, has confirmed
that Johnny entered treatment on Wednesday."

"Johnny knows there are areas in which he needs to improve in order to be a better family
member, friend and teammate and he thought the off-season was the right
time to take this step."

"On behalf of Johnny and his family, we're asking for..privacy until he rejoins the team in Cleveland."

The Browns did not say exactly why Manziel is being treated -- but it seems
pretty obvious ... considering his penchant for partying.

Earlier this season, ESPN's Skip Bayless said he'd spoken with several people
close to the Browns QB and was convinced Johnny is an alcoholic.

Johnny responded to the criticism by hitting the bar scene -- and after the season, was seen chugging champagne at a hotel pool.

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Originally posted by dezyDeco:
Originally posted by JayLookinUp:
These playoffs were so full of karma.. Going back to the Cowboys/Lions game where they picked up the flag. Then the "catch" by Dez. Then the incredible series of events that led to the collapse of Green Bay in Seattle. And now the play call in the Super Bowl.
You could even say Karma got the Lions first because of Suh's stomp... and probably should've been suspended for the game vs. Dallas.
Forgot about that. Crazy to think about.. If NE had a game next week no way I'd bet on them!
 

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One thing overlooked is that the kid Butler actually made 2 great plays at the end of the game. He is the one that had the sense to see that Kearse actually caught the ball and forced him out of bounds. Kearse got up and could have ran it in and that would have been it. After rolling around and knowing the ball bounced around it was pretty awesome focus to realize the catch had been made and the play was not over.

Also a funny side note....They showed on ESPN the top Super Bowl catches and like number 4 or 5 was a Dallas player catching it and falling into the end zone, then dropping the ball. One of the greatest Super Bowl catches of all time would not have been a catch in this Super Bowl....LOL they have to fix that rule.
 

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Originally posted by Pope John Wall II:

Originally posted by HeismanCatNole85:
It's final. Montana or Brady as GoAT? Peyton is now out of the convo for good.
Peyton never even got near the convo.

Most playoff games: Brady (29)
Most playoff wins: Brady (21)
Most Conference Games played: Brady (9)
Most Superbowl starts: Brady (6)
Most Superbowl wins: Brady (4)

Most completions, playoffs: Brady (683)
Most yards, playoffs: Brady (7345)
Most TDs, playoffs: Brady (53)
Most completions, Superbowl: Brady (164)
Most yards, Superbowl: Brady (1605)
Most TDs, Superbowl: Brady (13)
That's a fair argument, but I can't give any one player that much credit for what is largely team success. As I said elsewhere, Brady has nothing to do with the Pats run defense or offensive line or special teams. He's not on the field for 60% of the game, or whatever. Or, most importantly, coaching. Belichick is, IMO, the best coach in modern history. Manning has played for 4 head coaches, and three of them were fired. All a QB can do is play QB, and the best I've seen at the position were Marino and Manning. Manning/Brady is exactly the same conversation of 30 years ago re Montana/Marino. I think Marino and Manning would have been great quarterback where ever they might have been drafted. Montana had a very specific skill set - accuracy and poise, namely. He played for a wizard that was a decade ahead of everyone else in employing an offense that matched exactly Montana's traits. If Joe were a Saint, no one would have heard of him. Same with Brady. If he played for the Bucs, he'd have been a good QB, but no one would have said best ever cause he'd have no titles. Makes no sense to me for the primary characteristic in determining the best individual player is team success. The one time Manning did win a SB, it was with the worst run defense - not just that year, but in modern history.....
 

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Thanks to that botched last play, Brady was about to be 3 for 3 in superbowls, with not a single one not coming since spygate, and throwing two picks to lose the game... He would still be a great QB, but not GOAT.

Now? Because of Pete's ego, he's gonna be the greatest.. Pats fans are gloating, totally denying the deflate gate..

This wasn't like the Giants super bowls where they were lucky catches. Pats didn't blow those games. Last night, Seattle had won. Game over. And they blew it.

Sick to my stomach.
 

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Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
Thanks to that botched last play, Brady was about to be 3 for 3 in superbowls, with not a single one not coming since spygate, and throwing two picks to lose the game... He would still be a great QB, but not GOAT.

Now? Because of Pete's ego, he's gonna be the greatest.. Pats fans are gloating, totally denying the deflate gate..

This wasn't like the Giants super bowls where they were lucky catches. Pats didn't blow those games. Last night, Seattle had won. Game over. And they blew it.

Sick to my stomach.

Yea, but the other side of the coin says this, without 2 incredibly ridiculous catches, and almost one last night, Brady has 6 rings on his finger.

I think the guy definitely deserves to be in the GOAT conversation.
 

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I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).

GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.
 

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Originally posted by Catman100:
Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
Thanks to that botched last play, Brady was about to be 3 for 3 in superbowls, with not a single one not coming since spygate, and throwing two picks to lose the game... He would still be a great QB, but not GOAT.

Now? Because of Pete's ego, he's gonna be the greatest.. Pats fans are gloating, totally denying the deflate gate..

This wasn't like the Giants super bowls where they were lucky catches. Pats didn't blow those games. Last night, Seattle had won. Game over. And they blew it.

Sick to my stomach.

Yea, but the other side of the coin says this, without 2 incredibly ridiculous catches, and almost one last night, Brady has 6 rings on his finger.

I think the guy definitely deserves to be in the GOAT conversation.
Yeah, those were all insane catches.. but it was nothing the Patriots really could have done. They left it all on the field, so to speak. But last night, was just a boneheaded move. I guess we should ask, who do you think felt worse, Pats fans becasue of an opposing teams miraculous catch? Or Seahawks fans because they had the game won and lost because of utter ineptness?
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:
I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).

GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.
Teams use their own balls on offense. So Indy used properly inflated balls. Doesn't really matter probably, but the potential for a competitive gain is there.
 

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Great play by Butler, but no DB in the league doesn't jump that route. The only way the Patriots win the game is with a turnover. You knew they wouldn't throw towards Revis or Browner, so if they do call an unbelievably stupid pass play, it's coming to Butler.

I figured Belichick would call timeout when Seattle got the ball on the 1. If he had, surely Carroll would've vetoed that awful call from his OC. It's strange that everything worked out in New England's way after that crazy bouncing reception to set up the 1st and goal.

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Originally posted by krazykats:
I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).

GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.
No. How do people still not understand this?? There are two different sets of balls. Patriots had over 90% of their balls deflated to make it easier to grab, handle, throw, and catch. Seahawks had the normal balls.

I'm also amazed how many people think this is just a non-story now. Maybe it will be, I don't know for sure. But if you ask me, we haven't even scratched the surface yet. Because here is what we know: The balls were taken off camera for 5 minutes by the ball boy, for no apparent reason, and were perfectly fine before going into this side room. There is no longer a weather factor. Atmospheric pressure didn't matter. This was no accident. What is still undetermined is where the call came from. Was it a rouge move, or did this come from Belichick himself?

I don't see how the Patriots don't lose a draft pick next year and assume a massive fine.
 

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Originally posted by LineSkiCat:
No. How do people still not understand this?? There are two different sets of balls. Patriots had over 90% of their balls deflated to make it easier to grab, handle, throw, and catch. Seahawks had the normal balls.

I'm also amazed how many people think this is just a non-story now. Maybe it will be, I don't know for sure. But if you ask me, we haven't even scratched the surface yet. Because here is what we know: The balls were taken off camera for 5 minutes by the ball boy, for no apparent reason, and were perfectly fine before going into this side room. There is no longer a weather factor. Atmospheric pressure didn't matter. This was no accident. What is still undetermined is where the call came from. Was it a rouge move, or did this come from Belichick himself?

I don't see how the Patriots don't lose a draft pick next year and assume a massive fine.
The ball guy only had them unattended for 98 seconds in a bathroom, I'd assume to take a piss.

Another leak is saying the initial ESPN report was misleading. Only 1 of the 11 under-inflated balls was significantly under-inflated. 10 were "just one or two ticks off" and only one of those was the 2lbs light that ESPN first reported for all 11.

Might just be the NFL running interference, but I'm not really sure how much they care at this point.

Publicity is publicity, as long as it doesn't involve someone beating the **** out of a woman / child or murdering someone.
 

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Originally posted by The_Catfather:
Great play by Butler, but no DB in the league doesn't jump that route. The only way the Patriots win the game is with a turnover. You knew they wouldn't throw towards Revis or Browner, so if they do call an unbelievably stupid pass play, it's coming to Butler.

I figured Belichick would call timeout when Seattle got the ball on the 1. If he had, surely Carroll would've vetoed that awful call from his OC. It's strange that everything worked out in New England's way after that crazy bouncing reception to set up the 1st and goal.

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I believe that look on Shermans face while the interception was genuine, my face would have looked something like that if that types of ish happened to me in the super bowl too. Sherman was surprised and bewildered

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Tom Brady has definitely got some major swag and Edelman is my freaking hero. I mean the guy is built exactly like me and his athletic gifts are exactly like the ones i possess and he makes defenses look like a mockery with the way he shakes defenders out of his way. It was the best damn super bowl i ever have seen in my young 36 years.
 

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Originally posted by krazykats:
I mean the thing I don't get about "deflate gate" is where is the benefit specifically designed for the Pats? Only 1 ball tested wasn't lower in air than the others......therefore the colts were getting the same benefit(whatever that is on a wet deflated ball).

GTFO with that BS! I don't like the Pats, but I respect what Brady and Brady/Belichek have accomplished! Amazing really.
Yep. Isn't the ball just as easy to catch for the defense as well? Dumbest scandal ever