If not for Joe Penn State and football would be an unknown. But you already know that.
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If not for Joe Penn State and football would be an unknown. But you already know that.
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He's a Mattbot
Oh poor baby, 45 degree weather. You wouldn't last a minute golfing in Scotland when that **** rolls in off the North Sea.
Wrong. We must have factions. You must choose. Joe, FLO.
, Franklin, or Campbell. Donāt try to tell us that you can simultaneously support or respect two or more at the same time.We can not continue to be a divided fanbase/alumni and expect it not to affect the coach and therefore the team. THATāS silly.
You obviously have no reliable inside information or connections. You stated your āinsiderā said PSU was pursuing Elko (which was what everyone was saying) and then Hartline was the backup. Your miss on Hartline exposed either your insider or yourself as a fraud. You apparently take publicly available information/rumors, take a position based upon what you want to be true, and then state your position as though it is insider information. You have already been outed as a non-insider so quit posing as one.
"Let's look forward"?
Does this mean we ignore Campbell and support the guy who is going to replace him?
Nobody told me fandom was going to be this existential.
I'm going to go watch Interstellar instead, so I can figure out time travel. Figuring out the rules of being a fan is too hard.
Correct--we limited our options and Campbell has another obstacle to overcome--it explains the alleged issues with our search
Maybe Kraft was worried we wouldnāt have enough things left to question and b|tch about. This could be his Christmas gift to the serial b|tchers and moaners.
If it indeed is part of Campbellās terms of employment, I have to imagine he is fine with it. Otherwise he simply could have turned down the offer as others supposedly did. Itās not as if he was beating down Kraftās door, desperate to come here.
That BOT was clearly not PSU bIf that were the case, then "real Penn State fans" would have supported the BoT's termination of Joe. But, they didn't.
Are you allowed to pick two? Or three if you really hate 1?Wrong. We must have factions. You must choose. Joe, FLO.
Not everyone was saying we were pursuing Elko--I said that way before anyone else did--there's date available for you and countless people said we wouldn't do that.
Hartline was the backup and that story will come out likely sooner than later.
I don't care if you believe me or not--doesn't bother me. I love replies like this as though they bother me lol
My position exactly. Having said that, I've already read that Campbell runs an offense not too different than what PSU did under Franklin's tenure, BUT evidently has a greater emphasis on execution. We'll see.
I'm all in for MC, and wish him and his chosen staff the best. Terry as acting HC noticed
the problems with both the offense and defense, some coaches were too stubborn to
initially listen. Terry earned the new title.
the problems with both the offense and defense, some coaches were too stubborn to
initially listen. Terry earned the new title.
But you said, "support the school." What does that mean? Sounds to me like you want the alumni and fans to be nothing more than an "Amen Corner." There is nothing wrong with disagreement, and nothing wrong with reasoned discussion. And if people feel particularly strongly about something, why should they not support that? Ultimately, we can agree to disagree. But I still think it is up to the individual whether they want to support something they don't believe in, just because they earned a degree from the school years ago ("Just fans" come and go as they please).
Maybe what is needed is a "Happy Penn State Board" where no one ever says anything negative about Penn State (any negative comments immediately nuked by a moderator or AI) and only positive things are said about all players, coaches, etc. That'd be rather dull, I think. And I'm not sure what the point of such a board would be.
You know, until Matt Campbell wins a NC at Penn State, Joe Paterno remains the only Penn State coach who not only won two national championships, had many more undefeated seasons, won a majority of his bowl games, and with all that, still emphasized his players getting an education, contributed to the school, and brought Penn State national recognition. That Paterno was summarily fired by the BOT when they in all likelihood knew that he was going to retire at the end of the year anyway, and had nothing to do with the Sandusky mess in any case, gives many of us a great deal of pause, and Penn State has stood firm on this, with no honoring of Joe or any sort of "we are sorry and we made a mistake." I think those of us who thought highly of Joe have good reason to be at odds with the "school." Support the teams and the kids, yeah, fine, but not the leadership.
For the record, I think Campbell will be a good coach for PSU. He will make mistakes and he will do things we don't agree with. Same with the guys who play for him. I will support him, regardless what he says (if anything) about Joe. The lack of recognition for Joe isn't his problem to solve.
School leadership - now that's a different story. Some of us would appreciate an apology, recognition for Joe, and closure on that issue.
Campbell has been around the game a while. Iād like to think that he recognizes the tradition of our uniforms and its importance. Plus, I think he will have bigger things to worry about.
As a proud, unapologetic āJoebotā, I fully support Matt Campbell!!!
It means you gotta support the guy that replaces the guy that replaces Campbell. Need to be a few steps ahead
Come on Lando why would anyone think keeping Terry would be a bad thing? What does it matter how it came about? Did you question OāBrien keeping LJ Sr. too? Frankly, given the circumstances I think itās incredible that Terry convinced a 4 star QB from Nazareth and a 4 star DE from Malvern Prep to sign on Wednesday.
I don't understand why that is either. Who in their right mind blames the guy that recruits the players, selects his coaching staff, allocates NIL money, directs his coordinators on the overall strategy of the offense and defense, handles clock management, and makes critical punt/field goal/go for it decisions on 4th down when clearly it is the JoeBots to blame for not fully supporting His Majesty?
Despite my thoughts on Kraft, I will fully support Campbell just like I supported Joe, OāBrien and Franklin because as a 65 year fan I hope anyone who is the head coach wins every game.
I will but donāt bet on it with the We Deserve Better crowd.
No offense to Franklin, who did good things at PSU, but there was never a consistent offensive identity under his tenure (evidenced by the revolving door of unsuccessful OCs) so not sure if a parallel can be drawn.
Why do I always think about the old saying about being almost always wrong but never in doubt whenever I see your never ending posts?
Yeah me too just like I did OāBrien and Franklin. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time huh?
It always matters how it came about
Yes, I questioned O'Brien keeping LJ though I had less concern as LJ was arguably the best at this role. Terry isn't.
It's never good to keep the coach on the staff the players wanted to be the HC. It immediate creates issues.
Terry lost the majority of the class unlike those that saved Florida LSU an many others.
You think everyone Smith does is incredible though for reasons we've discussed
Thankful he didn't get the job. Disappointed the powers the be forced Smith on the next coach derailing the hiring process
The way his AD spoke about him, seems like a perfect fit for PSU... Success With Honor and Integrity.
I've been on both sides of similar situations. Both individual bring something different to the party. If they can settle on the objective/goal and define the roles of each, it can work and it can work well.
Terry put himself out there by saying he wanted the job. He didn't get it and I'm sure he's disappointed. But, he wants to stay at Penn state, so hel'' have to suck up a little pride and move on.
If Campbell is smart, he'll recognise what terry brings to the table and take advantage of it. Give him a defined role, achievable goals and get out of his way.
On a related note, you donāt want to be the guy who replaces Franklin. You want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced Franklin.