Sweet Lou Pinella quote from last night

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Following the Cubs' 6-1 loss to the Mets:

<span style="font-style: italic;">Asked for a positive from the night, Piniella replied: "That's a real
good question — very philosophical. What positives can I take from this?
… Who's got an answer for me?"</span>
 
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Following the Cubs' 6-1 loss to the Mets:

<span style="font-style: italic;">Asked for a positive from the night, Piniella replied: "That's a real
good question — very philosophical. What positives can I take from this?
… Who's got an answer for me?"</span>
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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have a head case for a lead off hitter. Like you said, they didn't make any moves to address their real needs so I never got any hopes up before the first pitch.
 

DawgatAuburn

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For 2010 we have $144 million payroll of aging and bad players. That we fall off to "only" $103 million already committed in
2011 is of little consolation when the two main losses are DLee and
Lilly, arguably our most consistent hitter and pitcher the last two years. The flip side is
they will both be 35 when their deals expire and certainly won't
command the dollars they had been getting. Finally in 2012 there is some
light and some money to play with, presuming we don't hand out more
ridiculous contracts like some of the ones we are carrying
now....Soriano, Zambrano, Fukodome, and Dempster to be specific.
So there you go, enjoy the pressure of non-playoff baseball for the
next year and a half at least. Here's hoping the 2012 Cubs are the team to
beat. By the way, 2012 is still two years away from the end of Soriano's
contract (thru 2014). He had better stock up on cars and suits and houses. I bet $19
million a year won't buy nearly the stuff then that it will now.
 

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6 of the Cubs' 8 loses this year have been games in which the bullpen blew a lead.

I have no idea what this organization sees in Jeff Samardzjia. He serves up grapefruits.

The leadoff spot has been a joke for all four years of the Lou Piniella tenure. Marlon Byrd hit leadoff last night.......COME ON, ARE YOU SERIOUS?

The Cubs have spent way too much money on old talent. Soriano is a joke in the field, and is not worth anywhere close to the amount of money they paying him. Fukudome has started strong the past two seasons and this season, but come July, he will be back to his awful ways. Zambrano, although not old, is a head case. Why he consistently continues to be the opening day starter blows my mind.

Instead of loading up on backup outfield talent, the Cubs should have gone after a decent middle reliever or two.

I am tired of Lou Piniellia's "aw shucks, that's baseball" attitude. Where is the fireball Lou we all knew? This will be Lou's last year, and next year Ryne Sandberg will be the manager. </p>
 
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his contract will be on the short list for worst ever. You can argue Mike Hampton I guess, but the Rockies were able to get rid of him at least and I think the Braves got some insurance money because he was hurt so much. While not a bargain, even Zito is turning it around.

Last night Soriano did his trademark 'hop to admire a homer' that ended up not clearing the fence and he only got to 2nd when he could have tripled if he had been quick out of the box. This is bad enough, but the day before he told a reporter he was going to quit doing that and it got written up as a positive story for the Cubs.
 

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Teams like Boston and New York are drafting players in the 2nd-7th round and paying them first round money and simply stockpiling their farm systems, while the Cubs simply draft some kid like Ryan Harvey or Luis Montanez who are never heard from again.<div>
</div><div>Instead they hand out 50 million dollar contracts to any pitcher that has good year. 52 Million for Ryan Dempster and 40 million for Ted Lilly. My favorite contract was 18 million for Jason Marquis for three years. With D-Lee, A-ram and A-Sorsackosh!t, that is roughly 60 million a year. Of course that doesn't count FukUdome for about 10 a year, and we are paying most of Bradley's salary which is 21 million over the next two years.</div><div>
</div><div>The number of bad contracts we have on the roster is mind numbing. We are the NY Knicks of MLB. So many bad contracts, no real plan to build from within. Last year's cubs team almost drove me away from major league baseball. This summer is going to be nasty. Soriano is getting booed in April. By June, Milton Bradley will feel badly for him. </div><div>
</div><div>Im just getting ready for Pinella to top this. NSFW:</div><div>
</div><div>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0CDtEz_Bo</div><div>
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DawgatAuburn

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Not only did we trick Seattle into taking Bradley, they were so desperate to get rid of Silva that they took on Bradley's contract <span style="font-weight: bold;">AND PAID THE CUBS TO TAKE SILVA.</span>

Hendry has made some terrible moves in the past (as has most GMs) but getting Seattle to do that was nothing short of genious.

<font size="1">/jr spelling</font>
 

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He has the firey mentality, and his 120 pitch 5 inning starts aren't doing anyone a bit of good. Plus the team will have one too many starters once Theodore Roosevelt Lilly returns. Marmol then Z in the last 2 could rack up a lot of saves - except for once a month when they give up 13 ER's in 2 innings.

And I agree 100% on all of this:

"I am tired of Lou Piniellia's "aw shucks, that's baseball" attitude.
Where is the fireball Lou we all knew? This will be Lou's last year,
and next year Ryne Sandberg will be the manager."
 

DawgatAuburn

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I am not sure how a team with two maybe three dependable starters if you throw Wells in there and count Z as dependable will have too many starters when Lilly comes back.
 

OMlawdog

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In fact Seattle only paid 3 million a year on the 10 million a year contract. <div>
</div><div>Basically the Cubs paid the mariners 14 million, and the Mariners paid the cubs 9 Million.</div><div>
</div><div>So the cubs get Silva and only lose 5 million from the Bradley deal.</div><div>
</div><div>That is like chopping off a foot and being grateful that the doc saved the leg.</div><div>
</div><div>The fact that Hendry gave Bradley 30 million over 3 years is mind blowing. What do you think the next closest offer Bradley had? 2 years 10 million? I think that would be a stretch.</div><div>
</div><div>The problem with the Cub signings is that they have made them with their back against the wall, mainly due to a poor farm system. They had to pay Z 90 million over 5 years because players like Mark Prior, Donald Veal and Sean Gallagher simply weren't working out. Of course Ricky Nolasco is doing just fine in Florida. They sign players and pay them max money at their absolute peak or right when they are starting to slide. Teams like the Brewers are locking up their young players for big deals, but these deals will expire when the players are 30 not 35. </div><div>
</div><div>Hendry isn't stupid, but you can't build a worse team with 144 million dollars. The Soriano contract is the worst contract in baseball today, bar none. You couldn't give it away with the Cubs top two prospects. Literally couldn't give it away.</div><div>
</div><div>The fact that we aren't spending money on draft picks, and teams like Boston are drafting high ceiling players like David Renfroe in the third round and giving him 1 million plus, just shows they are committed to winning. If the cubs spent 15 million in one draft just drafting high ceiling high school players and signing them to 1 million plus deals, they could re-stock the farm system in two years. Of course they could just keep drafting kids from Hendry's old high school. </div><div>
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Starters could be Dumpster, Lilly, Wells, Gorzelonny (sp??), and Silva

Set-up with Marmol and Close with Z


It couldnt be any worse than what they are doing now
 

OMlawdog

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Think about that for a second. Over the next three years the Cubs are on the hook for 54 million dollars.<div>
</div><div>If he finishes first or second in the Cy Young voting in 2011, or in the top 5 in 2012, HE HAS A PLAYER OPTION FOR 19.25 Million. Thank god I have a better chance to finish in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting in 2012, still its a scary thought.</div><div>
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EmoryBellard

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Silva has had some good outtings this season, and might just be alright. Remember, he was a serviceable pitcher before turning shatty the last 2 seasons. He isn't going to win the CYA, but he might just be an ok 4/5 starter. The same can be said for Gorzelany; he has had some success in the not-too-distant past.

As far as having 5 fully dependable starters: is there a team in the NL who can make such a boast? Maybe San Fran?

Fact is, the team has blown 6 saves and today is April 20. And Carlos Marmol ain't exactly got a track record of success to make you feel better. Look, I'm not saying Z-as-closer is a surefire solution, but what the team's doing isn't going to work.
 

EmoryBellard

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Cubs are already on the hook for the salary. I'm sure the Braves were paying Smoltz a mint when he closed, and that was clearly a good baseball move. Why not do what leads to W's?
 

OMlawdog

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He was one of the more dominant closers in baseball the years he closed. Problem is that Marmol isn't really the problem right now. The problem is that our offense is terrible and so is our middle relief. The starters aren't bad, but they are average.<div>
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Won't know until it's tried.

I would disagree - I think Marmol, and the bullpen in general, are a big problem. He's never been consistent - he led the majors in hit batters last year, for pete's sakes. His stuff is as nasty as it gets, but he's never going to be a guy who goes on a run of 4 weeks w/o a blown save. It's <span style="font-style: italic;">always </span>something with him...You are right, the SP has probably been slightly above average early on (and was last season, for that matter) - and the offense is lame. But even with all that, this team could be good enough to win 85 games and sneak into the post-season in a weak NL Central - IF they can hang onto some leads.

Six blown saves this early + no track record to make you think they'll come around = need to make some big changes.
 

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the Cubs lost last year in the 8th and 9th, coupled with what they have done already- I'd say it would be worth the money to try it. A bad contract is a bad contract -whether he is starting or relieving...the point is now to get the most out of him that you can.
 

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What I originally saw (and put in my first post) was that Seattle paying Bradley this year, plus 3.5 of Silva's contract this year and 5.5 next year. While the numbers move a little when I look for more, I didn't find one that said that the Cubs paid that much of Bradley's contract for the Mariners.

I agree that the three year deal for Bradley was stupid, especially when you let DeRosa walk.

I have a post somewhere about the Cubs draft history. It is almost as bad as the Croom era offense.
 

OMlawdog

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IT SAYS SEATTLE IS ONLY PAYING 3 MILLION THIS YEAR AND NEXT. THAT MEANS THWTHE CUBS PICKED UP THE REST. SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS IPHONE IS SCREWED UP
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4754761
Chicago also received $9 million from the Mariners as part of
the swap, which makes Seattle the eighth team of Bradley's 10-year
career. Silva has $25 million remaining on his contract and Bradley
has $22 million left on his deal.

According to sources familiar
with the deal, the Mariners will send about $3 million to the Cubs in
2010 and about $6 million in 2011.</p>

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2010540975_shocker_mariners_trading_carlo.html
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The money remaining on both contracts is similar. Bradley has $22
million left on his contract (not $21 million as earlier reported) -- $9
million in 2010, $13 million in 2011. Silva has $25 million remaining
-- $11.5 million in '10 and '11, with a $2 million buyout on a 2012
option. The Chicago Tribune reported that the Mariners will send $9
million to the Cubs -- that accounts for the $3 million difference in
salary, plus another $5 million.</p>

Cot's looks like Seattle is paying him too.</p>

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