Sweet ride Bernie
- Thread starter Brushy Bill
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Hey loser, maybe if you weren't whining and crying on a message board half the day you might make something out of yourself. Stop being jelly of successful people.Goes well with that house Hillary bought you.
The irony is lost on liberals. They've gotten theirs, they want to take yours.Goes well with that house Hillary bought you.
I probably make more money than everyone on this board with the exception of RPJ and you...and maybe Coop. Yeah, us liberals are all about free stuff.
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It's not about free stuff, it's about taking it from those that produce and giving it freely to those who don't produce and will never produce. It doesn't work. Jamestown first tried it, socialism, when everybody was given land and in the fall, everybody was to bring their goods to the town market to share. Guess what, some didn't and still wanted the free stuff. That lasted for that fall. What we need to get through everybody's mind is that not everybody can be saved or needs saving.
Yeah, because everyone who is physically incapable of "producing" should starve.
Got it.
Why is it lost on some that taxes are not the only cost to Americans? Some costs do not come with a quantitative figure, but are still actual costs to us all. I pay x amount for my HOA, I can justify that cost through the figures on electricity, maintainence, landscaping, etc....but the additional value NOT LOST on my home really can't be quantified, because I don't know where it would be (esp with some of my neighbors).
The military is a good example. I think our current defense budget is ridiculous. But people that know tell me it's needed, even more is needed. I cringe....but I recognize that fighting off invasion, or a nuclear event, or constant cyber attacks would cost....and so maybe the budget isn't so ridiculous (although I still think it is).
Programs that help (temporarily help) people transition themselves and their families to a more comfortable condition isn't simply "Robin Hood" government that seek to emulate socialist ideals.....it is an attempt to remedy substantial costs already being placed on Americans. More comfortable financial conditions can mean less divorce, happier family conditions....which can lead to less crime, anger, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc....
It's not a "utopia"...,,it's just an attempt to help raise the value of our homes by providing a little maintenance, and prying money from those that wouldn't spend it in the first place.
The military is a good example. I think our current defense budget is ridiculous. But people that know tell me it's needed, even more is needed. I cringe....but I recognize that fighting off invasion, or a nuclear event, or constant cyber attacks would cost....and so maybe the budget isn't so ridiculous (although I still think it is).
Programs that help (temporarily help) people transition themselves and their families to a more comfortable condition isn't simply "Robin Hood" government that seek to emulate socialist ideals.....it is an attempt to remedy substantial costs already being placed on Americans. More comfortable financial conditions can mean less divorce, happier family conditions....which can lead to less crime, anger, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc....
It's not a "utopia"...,,it's just an attempt to help raise the value of our homes by providing a little maintenance, and prying money from those that wouldn't spend it in the first place.
This is where you libs have failed to acknowledge what the Great Society has really done for the American public. I do not hate poor people, I hate people, like yourself, that thinks you are providing a way out of poverty by government redistribution of wealth. How many trillions have we spent and achieved no decrease in poverty since the day it was started? I just think that there's a better approach to poverty then by keeping generation after generation in it to make you, libs, feel good about yourself.
Please tell me how our present welfare systems have prevented this? It's time for a new approach. There's more violence, nobody is getting married because that would decrease welfare payments. We need to end governemtn redistribution in it's present form. It hasn't worked and will not work.
Limiting welfare payments to one generation. Limiting the time people can be on them.
Paying for tubal ligation after 2 children for those on welfare
Making sure that fathers are listed on birth certificates.
Just breaking the cycle.
I love how the brainwashed liberal masses come screeching in here defending the communist for driving a cool car and bragging on their giant incomes. Here I am wondering why the socialist have so much disposable income when there is so much inequality in the world. Could it be that deep down they don't really care at all about 'those in need'?
Now I ALL FOR fixing our systems. I think we need INTENSE scrutiny of these programs. I mean, those that accept benefits should be scrutinized. Case workers should be using relocation funds, retraining funds, and funds for education to help transition recipients into sustainable livings. People need to move, go to school at night, change careers, learn trades, learn how to save/spend.
Welfare case workers and their national network should be a serious part of our domestic budget. These case workers should be well trained, knowledgeable, and tough minded. Recipients should be given real opportunities to change and improve their lives, but should be shut out of the programs if they do not take advantage of those opportunities. Drug testing? Sure, I have no problem with that. But if someone is found to be an addict....their aid should be treatment and seed money to begin again. If they return to using....maybe treatment once more.....then cut off FOR LIFE. Helping those that have children? Yes, of course. But if they continue to have children, they should be forced off the programs. Maybe some aid for the children to ensure their health and development (we can't mandate birth control or adoption).
Each case is different, and that's why I put so much on the case workers. They need the ability and knowledge to truly help.
Yes, everybody who is on welfare is unable to work. Keep telling yourself that.
I agree totally on limits. I guess I see it as case by case. But we can't regulate birth control. Fathers on birth certificates I agree with as well.
We can make you pay a tax for health insurance, we can make it a requisite for staying on welfare.
You are extremely short sighted and limited in your view of the world. There are people with mental disabilities that prevent them from working. There are people with physical disabilities that prevent them from working. There are simply not enough jobs for everyone seeking employment.
I am not justifying this scenario, but put yourself in someone's shoes that lives in rural America, has to commute (drive) to a minimum wage job and only gets 29 hours a week because their cheap *** boss doesn't want to provide healthcare insurance and other benefits. They will earn a whopping $232 a week (8 x 29). Gasoline alone will cost them about $25 per week. Now factor on top of that a vehicle registration fee, personal property taxes, vehicle insurance and maintenance. People can't live on those wages. It doesn't make sense to go down that path. So they sit at home and do nothing and take in about the same amount of money.
Income tax rates in this country have varied over the years. Back in the '50s, top income tax rates were as high as 92%. Yes, 92%. And there wasn't a shortage of jobs and the middle class could afford a decent living...and I don't believe there was very much poverty. Tax rates for top brackets remained high all the way until 1983, they were 50%, until the Reagan tax cuts. Now, the top tax bracket is 39.6% and you are bitching about paying taxes and footing the bill for the poor. GTFO here.
It won't play politically though. I agree that sometimes people need to get kicked around to learn. A case worker should be a kind of counselor of sorts. Recipients should be educated in spending, costs, saving, opportunities, health dangers, diet.....many people today are lacking the basic education that helps people thrive in life. Many are psychologically challanged (no that wasn't an attempt at being pc), and need medication or at least some insight to right the ship. Case workers should provide this individualized evaluation.
What choices did that individual make to lead them down that road?
Did they finish high school? Did they apply themselves in high school? Did they save and work for college money? I'm betting they qualified for grant money, did they attempt that route? Did they elect to try military service? Did they attempt to learn a trade? Did drug use play any factor? Have they committed crimes? Are they currently attempting to better themselves through education, journeyman training, etc? Did they have a child without the income needed to provide for them?
These are where I have issues with the current approach. Of course there are instances of mental and medical need. You won't find anyone batting an eye at supporting those people. You and I both know that those percentages make up a small fraction of the recipients.
Yeah...you probably do...seeing how you're ALL ONE...ONE MAN ARMY.. So ,I guess when you fill out your taxes,you claim your army as dependents...cool :flushed::scream:[roll][pfftt]
Start with reforming juvenile systems. Making home life a little better. Better education
You liberals champion a law that you wholeheartedly supported and then can't stomach the results. My business, any business, is not there to support the workers. It is there to provide a service or goods. If successful, it leads an income for the owner and hopefully jobs for other people. You like communism so much, emigrate to china, NK, or Russia. You, with your high and mighty, emploewrs who don't provide enough with jobs, need to provide more, GTFO of this country.
See, that's part of the problem. You think throwing money at everything works. You cannot make anything better, it's up to the individual to do that. Govt couldn't even make health insurance better, how can it make a life better? You will make others a lot worse by trying to make a few better.
The business community, although protected by liberty, should conduct themselves with integrity as well. Consumers have lost their power to hold businesses accountable to some degree. Community businesses were forced to conduct business for the good of community, or would face losing reputation and business. PR firms, corporate disguise, and misinformation tactics help shield businesses today. Some people want increased accountability through gov due to this change.