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Boomboom521

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See, that's part of the problem. You think throwing money at everything works. You cannot make anything better, it's up to the individual to do that. Govt couldn't even make health insurance better, how can it make a life better? You will make others a lot worse by trying to make a few better.
An individual in development ages needs help from others to form effective internal processes of critical thinking, empathy, appreciation, efficiency, hard work, integrity, and caring....where the parent(s) fall, is where someone must step in......in our time it's been Hollywood, musicians, criminals, gangs, and now terrorist orgs that step in.
 

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The business community, although protected by liberty, should conduct themselves with integrity as well. Consumers have lost their power to hold businesses accountable to some degree. Community businesses were forced to conduct business for the good of community, or would face losing reputation and business. PR firms, corporate disguise, and misinformation tactics help shield businesses today. Some people want increased accountability through gov due to this change.

Yeah, govt improves everything! Consumers are free to take there trade anywhere they want to. I guess you want a totalitarian govt telling us what to do, when to do it and where. People are responsible for themselves.
 

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An individual in development ages needs help from others to form effective internal processes of critical thinking, empathy, appreciation, efficiency, hard work, integrity, and caring....where the parent(s) fall, is where someone must step in......in our time it's been Hollywood, musicians, criminals, gangs, and now terrorist orgs that step in.
And this is a direct result of govt getting bigger and bigger, more intrusive in our lives. You need to think about that. As liberals think htat govt makes things better, the bigger govt has gotten, the worse many lives have gotten.
 

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Yeah, govt improves everything! Consumers are free to take there trade anywhere they want to. I guess you want a totalitarian govt telling us what to do, when to do it and where. People are responsible for themselves.
Not at all. But I want accountability. You're a dentist I think? I once had a dentist fail to completely eradicate several cavities of decay prior to filling. It resulted in two of my teeth "exploding" from the inside....they led to root canals, crowns. My childhood dentist (who didn't do the fillings) told me a got into some "bad dentistry".....he wouldn't say whether or not it was intentional. I gave a poor rating and synopsis of the issues online. All the dentist had to do was have family members cover that rating with positives. Cost of doing business I guess, but imo this guy shouldn't be able to practice.

Btw...if you are a dentist...I appreciate the hell out of what you do now. A good dentist is a GREAT thing to find.
 

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And this is a direct result of govt getting bigger and bigger, more intrusive in our lives. You need to think about that. As liberals think htat govt makes things better, the bigger govt has gotten, the worse many lives have gotten.
The New Deal did some great things.....it isnt all bad. People run government, same as businesses, it's always individuals that make the difference.
 
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I guess you want a totalitarian govt telling us what to do, when to do it and where. People are responsible for themselves.

Limiting welfare payments to one generation. Limiting the time people can be on them.
Paying for tubal ligation after 2 children for those on welfare
Making sure that fathers are listed on birth certificates
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Just breaking the cycle.

The irony is lost on liberals.

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Not at all. But I want accountability. You're a dentist I think? I once had a dentist fail to completely eradicate several cavities of decay prior to filling. It resulted in two of my teeth "exploding" from the inside....they led to root canals, crowns. My childhood dentist (who didn't do the fillings) told me a got into some "bad dentistry".....he wouldn't say whether or not it was intentional. I gave a poor rating and synopsis of the issues online. All the dentist had to do was have family members cover that rating with positives. Cost of doing business I guess, but imo this guy shouldn't be able to practice.

Btw...if you are a dentist...I appreciate the hell out of what you do now. A good dentist is a GREAT thing to find.
That's why I use cavity detect in my restorations. After prepping the teeth, I scrub the interior with cavity detection liquid, and if there is any decay left, it stains it red. I know about substandard dentistry. There are guys with great personalities that do horrible dentistry and patients never know. And patients swear by them.
 

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IF you are taking free stuff, shouldn't you be liable to get that free stuff? Especially when it comes to welfare. Yes, I know that tubal ligation wouldn't pass but the father's on the birth certificate isn't facism.
 

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People run government
90% of these people should get a real job. Just imagine the glorious wealth this country could have if more people would work and pay taxes vs. working and being paid by taxes or just sitting around collecting checks generation after generation. Tax payers deserve a little something too. If we trimmed off waste and have more people employed, Ha, we'd have to form a dern Government agency to figure out how to spend all the money. Americans, by and large, have big hearts. We do, and hopefully will going forward, take care of those in need. Historically it's what most Americans do, with or without government.
 
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90% of these people should get a real job. Just imagine the glorious wealth this country could have if more people would work and pay taxes vs. working and being paid by taxes or just sitting around collecting checks generation after generation. Tax payers deserve a little something too. If we trimmed off waste and have more people employed, Ha, we'd have to form a dern Government agency to figure out how to spend all the money. Americans, by and large, have big hearts. We do, and hopefully will going forward, take care of those. Historically it's what most Americans do, with or without government.
We do and we don't like to called uncaring.Trouble is, govt does as much harm as it does good.
 

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90% of these people should get a real job. Just imagine the glorious wealth this country could have if more people would work and pay taxes vs. working and being paid by taxes or just sitting around collecting checks generation after generation. Tax payers deserve a little something too. If we trimmed off waste and have more people employed, Ha, we'd have to form a dern Government agency to figure out how to spend all the money. Americans, by and large, have big hearts. We do, and hopefully will going forward, take care of those in need. Historically it's what most Americans do, with or without government.
This was true in 1920 was it?
 

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That's why I use cavity detect in my restorations. After prepping the teeth, I scrub the interior with cavity detection liquid, and if there is any decay left, it stains it red. I know about substandard dentistry. There are guys with great personalities that do horrible dentistry and patients never know. And patients swear by them.

A good dentist is priceless.
 

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That's why I use cavity detect in my restorations. After prepping the teeth, I scrub the interior with cavity detection liquid, and if there is any decay left, it stains it red. I know about substandard dentistry. There are guys with great personalities that do horrible dentistry and patients never know. And patients swear by them.

You are a dentist? Let me ask you this. I've had a couple of teeth pulled the past 2 years. The dentist wanted to do a root canal to save the tooth, but I said "screw it and pull it". They were jaw teeth and wasn't a problem for me to lose. However, the last teeth he pulled was upper first molar and bottom wisdom tooth (had broken off). Ever since, my right side of my mouth hasn't been the same in relation to the nerve. I feel like the right side of my upper lip is constantly wet, and sometimes my right cheek area of the face gets a "cold" feeling to it. I went to an Ear, Throat, and Nose doctor (thinking it was sinus related) and he told me that it could be a Trigeminal nerve problem. I told him about the teeth being pulled, and he said that he believes was the problem.

What do you think?
 

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This was true in 1920 was it?
In terms of helping one another, probably, yeah. Today we have too many who expect to be provided. I blame politics, really. The singling out of groups, each group informed of the grievances they should have all for votes. Votes that ensure the aggrieved keep coming back for more encouragement because solutions aren't delivered.

In terms of taxes, I reckon some people were losing their mind in 1920. Speaking of losing your mind, 1920 was about the time people could be put in public Sanitariums (sound clean, doesn't it?) for any number of maladies like reading too much.


Why do you ask? Are you making a point. Gotta run again, Boom. I'll check back later.
 

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You are a dentist? Let me ask you this. I've had a couple of teeth pulled the past 2 years. The dentist wanted to do a root canal to save the tooth, but I said "screw it and pull it". They were jaw teeth and wasn't a problem for me to lose. However, the last teeth he pulled was upper first molar and bottom wisdom tooth (had broken off). Ever since, my right side of my mouth hasn't been the same in relation to the nerve. I feel like the right side of my upper lip is constantly wet, and sometimes my right cheek area of the face gets a "cold" feeling to it. I went to an Ear, Throat, and Nose doctor (thinking it was sinus related) and he told me that it could be a Trigeminal nerve problem. I told him about the teeth being pulled, and he said that he believes was the problem.

What do you think?

I wouldn't think that having #3 extracted would lead to a Trigeminal nerve problem. The Trigeminal has three branches but rarely, I can't think of a time, when it leads to any problem. Dental appts, infiltration of the upper arch for anesthetic, leads to a Bell's palsy. That's a droopy face but that usually recovers in a month or so. Sorry I didn't see this early. You are more likely to have a problem from the lower than the upper. Parathesia, numbness, is usually only associated with lower third molar complicated extractions. A lot of physicians know nothing of anything anterior to the uvula. [laughing] I would consult an oral surgeon for another opinion. My guess, the physician had no clue and just threw that out there.
 

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I wouldn't think that having #3 extracted would lead to a Trigeminal nerve problem. The Trigeminal has three branches but rarely, I can't think of a time, when it leads to any problem. Dental appts, infiltration of the upper arch for anesthetic, leads to a Bell's palsy. That's a droopy face but that usually recovers in a month or so. Sorry I didn't see this early. You are more likely to have a problem from the lower than the upper. Parathesia, numbness, is usually only associated with lower third molar complicated extractions. A lot of physicians know nothing of anything anterior to the uvula. [laughing] I would consult an oral surgeon for another opinion. My guess, the physician had no clue and just threw that out there.

Thanks. It's weird. There is no drooping, nor is there any numbness or pain, just a feeling like my cheek is colder than the rest of my face and like there's cold water dripping on my right side of my face. I think it has to be a nerve problem. I didn't start having these feelings until a week or two after removing those two teeth. It's not as bad today as it was last summer when I had the teeth pulled. It has gradually gotten better, which another doctor told me was a "good" sign (really, couldn't have figured that out on my own but here's $250 for the visit...[laughing]). He said that sometimes when they numb the gums before pulling teeth the needle goes in to the nerve, or something like that, and causes temporary problems that should correct in 1-2 YEARS! Yikes!
 

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Thanks. It's weird. There is no drooping, nor is there any numbness or pain, just a feeling like my cheek is colder than the rest of my face and like there's cold water dripping on my right side of my face. I think it has to be a nerve problem. I didn't start having these feelings until a week or two after removing those two teeth. It's not as bad today as it was last summer when I had the teeth pulled. It has gradually gotten better, which another doctor told me was a "good" sign (really, couldn't have figured that out on my own but here's $250 for the visit...[laughing]). He said that sometimes when they numb the gums before pulling teeth the needle goes in to the nerve, or something like that, and causes temporary problems that should correct in 1-2 YEARS! Yikes!
See an oral surgeon, we know more about the body then physicians do about the mouth. It's been almost a year.
Trigeminal neuralgia, also known as tic douloureux, is a painful disorder of a nerve in the face called the trigeminal nerve or fifth cranial nerve. There are two trigeminal nerves, one on each side of the face. These nerves are responsible for detecting touch, pain, temperature and pressure sensations in areas of the face between the jaw and forehead.



People who have trigeminal neuralgia usually have episodes of sudden, intense, "stabbing" or "shocklike" facial pain. This pain can occur almost anywhere between the jaw and forehead, including inside the mouth. However, it usually is limited to one side of the face.

In some cases, the cause of trigeminal neuralgia is unknown. In many people, however, something seems to be irritating the trigeminal nerve, usually in the area of the nerve's origin deep within the skull. In most cases, the irritation is believed to be caused by an abnormal blood vessel pressing on the nerve. Less often, the nerve is being irritated by a tumor in the brain or nerves. Sometimes, the problem is related to a rare type of stroke. In addition, up to 8% of patients who have multiple sclerosis (MS) eventually develop trigeminal neuralgia as a result of MS-related nerve damage.

New cases of trigeminal neuralgia affect 4 to 5 of every 100,000 people in the United States each year. It affects women slightly more often than men, possibly because the disease is most common in older people and women live longer. The first episode of facial pain usually occurs when the patient is 50 to 70 years old. Although infants, children and young adults may develop this disorder, it is rare in people younger than age 40.

Symptoms
Trigeminal neuralgia causes episodes of sudden, intense facial pain that usually last for two minutes or less. In most cases, the pain is described as excruciating, and its quality is "sharp," "stabbing," "piercing," "burning," "like lightning" or "like an electric shock." In most cases, only one side of the face is affected.

The pain of trigeminal neuralgia is recognized as one of the most excruciating forms of pain known. The pain often is triggered by nonpainful facial movements or stimuli, such as talking, eating, washing the face, brushing the teeth, shaving or touching the face lightly. In some cases, even a gentle breeze on the cheek is enough to trigger an attack. Approximately 50% of patients also have specific trigger points or zones on the face, usually located somewhere between the lips and nose, where an episode of trigeminal neuralgia can be triggered by a touch or a temperature change. In some cases, a sensation of tingling or numbness comes before the pain.

Attacks of trigeminal neuralgia can vary significantly, and may occur in clusters, with several episodes

Your symptoms are atypical. I'm headed out of the office now, to drive my Porsche to my elitist golf course, but I would advise you to see an oral surgeon but it's a good sign that it's better. By the way, upper innervation by the maxillary nerve is different than the lower arch. You just don't see problems like you describe. By the way, I drive a 2007 denali with 156,000 miles.Just so you know I'm joking.
 

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See an oral surgeon, we know more about the body then physicians do about the mouth. It's been almost a year.
Trigeminal neuralgia, also known as tic douloureux, is a painful disorder of a nerve in the face called the trigeminal nerve or fifth cranial nerve. There are two trigeminal nerves, one on each side of the face. These nerves are responsible for detecting touch, pain, temperature and pressure sensations in areas of the face between the jaw and forehead.



People who have trigeminal neuralgia usually have episodes of sudden, intense, "stabbing" or "shocklike" facial pain. This pain can occur almost anywhere between the jaw and forehead, including inside the mouth. However, it usually is limited to one side of the face.

In some cases, the cause of trigeminal neuralgia is unknown. In many people, however, something seems to be irritating the trigeminal nerve, usually in the area of the nerve's origin deep within the skull. In most cases, the irritation is believed to be caused by an abnormal blood vessel pressing on the nerve. Less often, the nerve is being irritated by a tumor in the brain or nerves. Sometimes, the problem is related to a rare type of stroke. In addition, up to 8% of patients who have multiple sclerosis (MS) eventually develop trigeminal neuralgia as a result of MS-related nerve damage.

New cases of trigeminal neuralgia affect 4 to 5 of every 100,000 people in the United States each year. It affects women slightly more often than men, possibly because the disease is most common in older people and women live longer. The first episode of facial pain usually occurs when the patient is 50 to 70 years old. Although infants, children and young adults may develop this disorder, it is rare in people younger than age 40.

Symptoms
Trigeminal neuralgia causes episodes of sudden, intense facial pain that usually last for two minutes or less. In most cases, the pain is described as excruciating, and its quality is "sharp," "stabbing," "piercing," "burning," "like lightning" or "like an electric shock." In most cases, only one side of the face is affected.

The pain of trigeminal neuralgia is recognized as one of the most excruciating forms of pain known. The pain often is triggered by nonpainful facial movements or stimuli, such as talking, eating, washing the face, brushing the teeth, shaving or touching the face lightly. In some cases, even a gentle breeze on the cheek is enough to trigger an attack. Approximately 50% of patients also have specific trigger points or zones on the face, usually located somewhere between the lips and nose, where an episode of trigeminal neuralgia can be triggered by a touch or a temperature change. In some cases, a sensation of tingling or numbness comes before the pain.

Attacks of trigeminal neuralgia can vary significantly, and may occur in clusters, with several episodes

Your symptoms are atypical. I'm headed out of the office now, to drive my Porsche to my elitist golf course, but I would advise you to see an oral surgeon but it's a good sign that it's better. By the way, upper innervation by the maxillary nerve is different than the lower arch. You just don't see problems like you describe. By the way, I drive a 2007 denali with 156,000 miles.Just so you know I'm joking.
Lots of respect for helping someone out without concern of payment. Very professional and decent of you.
 

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My pleasure. It's a perplexing symptom. Wish I had a better answer,

I do appreciate the response. It's not what you described, though. There's absolutely zero pain. Nothing like what was being described. I went to an ENT because my dentist had told me that my Sinus cavity was close to my nerve, something about my gums (sorry, I don't pay too much attention to medical stuff, probably should huh?) and told me to go see him. He tells me I have a deviated septum......said not too bad, but could cause problems with my sinuses.

I've been to a dentist, an ENT specialist, an allergy doctor, a family practice doctor who ordered blood work for possible Lyme Disease (came back negative), and another family practice doctor who said "I don't have a clue, but you look fine to me" (again, good $250 for doctor's visit there!). They all say the symptoms I'm describing have them perplexed, but they don't really seem concerned so I'm not too much (it's just annoying).
 

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I do appreciate the response. It's not what you described, though. There's absolutely zero pain. Nothing like what was being described. I went to an ENT because my dentist had told me that my Sinus cavity was close to my nerve, something about my gums (sorry, I don't pay too much attention to medical stuff, probably should huh?) and told me to go see him. He tells me I have a deviated septum......said not too bad, but could cause problems with my sinuses.

I've been to a dentist, an ENT specialist, an allergy doctor, a family practice doctor who ordered blood work for possible Lyme Disease (came back negative), and another family practice doctor who said "I don't have a clue, but you look fine to me" (again, good $250 for doctor's visit there!). They all say the symptoms I'm describing have them perplexed, but they don't really seem concerned so I'm not too much (it's just annoying).
I'll try to talk to an oral surgeon about it and see what he has to say.