Swenson Offer Pulled by Harbaugh

Wild_Mustang

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Wow....Feel bad for the kid big time.

I don't think Harbaugh will have a problem with recruiting. He can sell ketchup Popsicles to a lady in white gloves.

But if I were the Swenson family I would send this to bleacher report, etc. As an ND fan, this needs to be heard.
 

redmen85

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It is already on Bleacher Report.
It's back to big business in Ann Arbor. Mr Nice Guy went 5-7 and was shown the door.
I don't think this is any different at ND/Bama or any of the other big time programs.
 

Cross Bones

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Wow. that was his dream school too. I had the chance to talk to the Swensons a few times the past year and it was all Michigan.
 

GMAN81

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I am sure Harbaugh has a reason for pulling the offer. Maybe a good one too. There always seems to be less sympathy for a coach when he pulls an offer than there is when a kid changes his mind after he commits. I am sure Michigan will struggle along.
 

Bwm57

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Supposedly he is talking with Northwestern, hopefully they can grab him.
I'm sure Harbaugh has a reason for pulling the offer, a reason that is in the best interests of Jim Harbaugh.
 

ClownBaby

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I have no problem with a coach pulling an offer especially when the kid commited to the previous coach but this should have been done earlier in the process. You see this so often when kids commit freshman or sophomore year they rarely end up where they commit to.
 
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BretEpic

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Supposedly he is talking with Northwestern, hopefully they can grab him.
I'm sure Harbaugh has a reason for pulling the offer, a reason that is in the best interests of Jim Harbaugh.
Good. Go Cats
 

GMAN81

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Supposedly he is talking with Northwestern, hopefully they can grab him.
I'm sure Harbaugh has a reason for pulling the offer, a reason that is in the best interests of Jim Harbaugh.
I am sure it's in the best interests of Michigan football. Fact is, when it comes to money, big time college sports is a business.
 

pjjp

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I am sure it's in the best interests of Michigan football. Fact is, when it comes to money, big time college sports is a business.
No doubt. I'm guessing the timing of the offer being pulled at such a late date relates to Michigan getting commitments from recruits they liked better. Welcome to the sleazy world of college football. Some of the biggest phonies on the planet are college football head coaches.
 

godfthr53

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This happens all the time and is no different than kids flipping. My only issue is how late in the game it is. But nobody will remember this next week, month, or year. This certainly won't deter kids from going to Michigan.
 

Wild_Mustang

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This happens all the time and is no different than kids flipping. My only issue is how late in the game it is. But nobody will remember this next week, month, or year. This certainly won't deter kids from going to Michigan.

Boom. Nailed it.
 

Bwm57

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I am sure it's in the best interests of Michigan football. Fact is, when it comes to money, big time college sports is a business.
Dr.,
Thank you for your words of wisdom.
None of that means I have to like it or think its ethically right.
 

catsattackfor3

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Boom. Nailed it.
Exactly. Jim Harbaugh will make $7 million next year to be the head coach of the Wolverines. He will not take Swensons call, he thinks he found a better recruit and he doesn't care. He will do what he thinks is necessary to continue to make more than $7 million a year. Welcome to big time college athletics and realize all that talk coaches give you in recruiting about making of men, honoring loyalty, family and giving you a scholarship because not only are you a very good football player but you are a true student athlete is just coach speak. You either help the program win or they find someone who will.

Very few guys in the Big 5 conference are concerned about those things. That is why the only time a recruit is in control is during the time they have offers on the table and are considering their options. I have always been a proponent of having recruits sign any time from the end of their Junior year until February of their senior year. The colleges would hate it but it would eliminate all the decomitts and pulling of scholarships. Once you offer and the kid accepts both of you are bound. Schools would be less likely to over -recruit and players would know exactly where they stand with the college. Will never happen though and this situation will continue to happen every year.
 
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SweetWalter34

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As a lifelong Michigan fan, this incident is really unsettling to me, and to many, many others who share an admiration for the U of M.
I am neither condemning Harbaugh nor exonerating him, but I am now compelled to ask:

Have we finally arrived at that point in time when the trustees of a university must agree to sell the soul of the university in order to win a national football championship?
 

1111SouthFirst

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As a lifelong Michigan fan, this incident is really unsettling to me, and to many, many others who share an admiration for the U of M.
I am neither condemning Harbaugh nor exonerating him, but I am now compelled to ask:

Have we finally arrived at that point in time when the trustees of a university must agree to sell the soul of the university in order to win a national football championship?

That happened at least 40 years ago.
 

SweetWalter34

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That happened at least 40 years ago.
No, it's different now.
40 years ago the trustees of some universities would tolerate a football coach habitually deceiving 16 and 17-year-old boys, as long as the behavior remained hidden from public scrutiny.
Today, because trustees are tolerating the public, flagrant, unapologetic, in-your-face nature of coaches' deceptions, trustees are forced to admit to their intentional disregard of the university's long-held core values, its soul.
 

LHSTigers94

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No doubt. I'm guessing the timing of the offer being pulled at such a late date relates to Michigan getting commitments from recruits they liked better. Welcome to the sleazy world of college football. Some of the biggest phonies on the planet are college football head coaches.

I guarantee that MOST on this board would make this move is $5M a year was on the line. It's your job to get the best player available just like its the kid job to pick the best school available. I agree the timing could be discussed however, considering the commitment was made to a different coaching staff, I feel the player/ parents should make sure the new staff truly want their kid. As stated in one of the articles, if a coach is recruiting for your position after you have committed, that is a sign that they may not be satisfied with your skill level. I don't feel it is all on the school. I get that this was his dream school so maybe he ignored all the signs.
 

pjjp

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Exactly. Jim Harbaugh will make $7 million next year to be the head coach of the Wolverines. He will not take Swensons call, he thinks he found a better recruit and he doesn't care. He will do what he thinks is necessary to continue to make more than $7 million a year. Welcome to big time college athletics and realize all that talk coaches give you in recruiting about making of men, honoring loyalty, family and giving you a scholarship because not only are you a very good football player but you are a true student athlete is just coach speak. You either help the program win or they find someone who will.
Yep. As I said earlier, most college football head coaches are some of the biggest phonies on the planet. And the concept of a student/athlete is a thing of the past at the vast majority of top football schools.
 
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No, it's different now.
40 years ago the trustees of some universities would tolerate a football coach habitually deceiving 16 and 17-year-old boys, as long as the behavior remained hidden from public scrutiny.
Today, because trustees are tolerating the public, flagrant, unapologetic, in-your-face nature of coaches' deceptions, trustees are forced to admit to their intentional disregard of the university's long-held core values, its soul.

40years ago they had 100 scholarships to give and used to recruit kids just so other schools wouldn't get them. Then keep them on the bench for 4 years.
 
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It's one thing to pull an offer from a committed kid once you change coaches. Ok it's not a great PR move but it's understandable in many cases. Yet allowing the kid to be easily one of your most loyal and vocal commits, helped you sell the school to others...told him to be ready to play then pull it all within 3 weeks of Signing Day? Sorry not good in my book and EVERY high school head coach I've talked to since is pissed.
 

SweetWalter34

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They may be pissed but none will keep Michigan out of their school except DGS and possibly DGN.
1. Barring a public apology from Coach Harbaugh (which few expect), you might be substantially underestimating the number of coaches who will decline visit requests from U of M coaches, nationwide.
2. High school coaches are the least of U of M's worries. Parents of future recruits are rightfully U of M's overwhelming concern right now.
 

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1. Barring a public apology from Coach Harbaugh (which few expect), you might be substantially underestimating the number of coaches who will decline visit requests from U of M coaches, nationwide.
2. High school coaches are the least of U of M's worries. Parents of future recruits are rightfully U of M's overwhelming concern right now.

If my kid was good enough to go to U of M and was good enough to get an offer there, I could care less about Harbaugh pulling an offer from Swenson. Also, if the HS coach of my kid told us not to talk to Harbaugh because of this, that would be his opinion. I would continue my son's recruitment without the coach at that point. I think all parents might need a reality check when they start the recruiting process. The coach doesn't care about your kid, they care that your kid can come and play for them and help them win. The coach that recruits him will also be gone in 2-3 years, he won't see him graduate, the next coach will.

Do you really think some kid at JCA or Mount Carmel won't talk to U of M because of what happened to some kid in Downers?

This happens everywhere, its not right, but its the way it is. I feel bad for Swenson, seems like hes a nice kid from a nice family. I have a feeling he will land on his feet just fine and have a nice college career. When coaches are making millions, AD's are making millions, and there is even more money spent by ESPN to broadcast the game, they will resort to these tactics to get the best players possible in their eyes.
 

psspfan

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I believe parents will let Harbaugh talk to their kids. Early comiting to Harbaugh might be a different story. The trust factor just went waaaay down.
 

mc140

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1. Barring a public apology from Coach Harbaugh (which few expect), you might be substantially underestimating the number of coaches who will decline visit requests from U of M coaches, nationwide.
2. High school coaches are the least of U of M's worries. Parents of future recruits are rightfully U of M's overwhelming concern right now.


This is laughable. This happens all the time at multiple programs. Nick Saban has been one of the worst when it comes to over recruiting and puling offers and it hasn't hurt Alabama recruiting.
 

SweetWalter34

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This is laughable. This happens all the time at multiple programs. Nick Saban has been one of the worst when it comes to over recruiting and puling offers and it hasn't hurt Alabama recruiting.
If you are right, why is U of M football's largest fan site overwhelmingly critical of this incident?
 

Bwm57

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This makes me enjoy my memory of watching the end of the Michigan v Mich State game last year even more.
 

Corey90

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This is a joke. This will have zero impact on UM or Harbaugh recruiting. This is one kid. Let's be real this is not the first or last time you see this. Do I think it's write? No but it happens.
This is a big business and there's a new sheriff in town. Harbaugh did not recruit this kid and obviously did not want him. I think the kid and the parents should of been all over this as soon as the new coach arrived. Early commits are taking a risk.
This will have absolutely no impact on there recruiting.
 
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reaperup

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Unfortunately this happens all the time. I had the same thing happen to me. Jay Cutler had the same thing happen to him with the Illini I believe. The kid will land on his feet somewhere else and be better for it because a school will feel like they in a way "stole" him, and at least it happened now and not 2 days before signing day. He can now have a chip on his shoulder and prove the khaki pants wrong.
 
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GMAN81

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Dr.,
Thank you for your words of wisdom.
None of that means I have to like it or think its ethically right.
Do I detect sarcasm here?? Hahaha! No, I am not saying you or anyone else has to like this. When I said big time college sports is a business I was just bringing the reality of it into the conversation. I guarantee this sort of thing happens in other college sports as well. Like Corey said, this will do nothing to damage Harbaugh or the Michigan program and like Edgy said, it will be forgotten soon...just like this thread. The public has a short memory.
 

LakeCtyNewt

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So it's not ok for a coach to pull a scholarship offer but it's ok for virtually every recruit to de-commit?

This is much ado about nothing. Swenson will find another home and will land in a Bette situation. This won't tarnish the Michigan program at all - just like it won't effect other programs that do the same thing every year.
 
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