I just want to say, as a purveyor of fine sarcasm, I am greatly enjoying this thread almost entirely due to your responses.
I thank you for the your excellent work here.
Taking Simon Out
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I thank you for the your excellent work here.
Simon's accurate passes usually wind up going to the other team. They got him out of there just in time.
Sure I can and just did. High profile coaching is high profile coaching. Investing dollars, commitment etc to one player creates bias. You think GS ignores outside NIL support GW gets ? No he doesn’t,
He and GW are tied at the hip. GS won’t allow any opportunity for potential second-guessing.
Oh, so only Gavin can improve year to year?
how dare you sir, how dare you!!!!! you are just a armchair fan, not paid millions with a resume of coaching young men. how dare you question the likes of Mel and his sidekick!
you are right and I brought this up on round table to the chagrin of everyone. lol
kirk is a top 20 oc you know, how dare you
So your therefore saying Gavin can better as well.
Simon had the chance to solidify winning the position and could not.
Gavin came in last year and looked good when the other teams were not prepared for him.
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both should not be here and both should not be in a position to be a BIG qb. This is the issue, not the kids really
neither is really any good to be honest
Never said he should have the job. Thought he deserved a second drive against Wisconsin
Agreed. We’re also not at practice though and have no idea how Evan looks making decision with Lewis and company in his face.
I've seen some doozy titles on the RT.
That title is so outrageous that I almost pulled the trigger for a premium account just to read it.
With time, he throws more catchable passes than Gavin right now.
Some people define “better” as zip. If that’s your definition then yes, Gavin throws a better ball. Sometimes he throws it so hard that it’s hard for his receivers to catch it though.
Thank you.I just want to say, as a purveyor of fine sarcasm, I am greatly enjoying this thread almost entirely due to your responses.
I thank you for the your excellent work here.
Sometimes they pitch them right over the plate and the sarcasm writes itself.
Yeah situational throws Gavin struggles with for sure.
But if you need a ball to get to a spot quickly, it ain’t happening with Simon IMO.
Maybe it’s just too small of a sample size so far though
This is where you go too far. They are here. They are Scarlet Knights and Rutgers men. Stop it with teh woe is us nonsense. We are 4 and 2 and these players could still get us to a bowl game. Gavin has improved from last season and might still improve during this season.
Yeah.. it would be great to have an NFL QB out there for us and we run an NFL offense like an NFL offense does (not the Giants or Pats or Broncos this year). When was the last time we had one of those? With Teel and Britt and Underwood and Brown? They are all almost middle-aged men now.
There's a lot of good on the O side of the ball after these past years utter failures. That's progress.
no you need to understand what I said
they are here, no question but that is essentially the problem. There is NOTHING wrong with saying they are not BIG caliber and should not be here, this is a big boy program.
Our issue, Gregs' failure, is that these are the QBs we are discussing to be the stewards of our offense. Gav has hit over 50% in only 2 games this year, was 45% against Wisconsin. He's having an awful year in reality.
It took 6 games to turn Evan Simon into Pat Mahomes.
I don't think the issue is whether these QBs are B1G caliber. The issue is whether they're receiving coaching and preparation befitting QBs in a major conference. For almost a decade, RU QBs have been sent into cruise missile fights with plastic sporks.
I'm on the Simon train. At least give him a shot. Gavin just hasn't been good enough so what's the harm. Doubt he would be worse. If he's better and Gavin transfers who cares? We are gonna lose talented wr prospects if the QB can't throw an accurate ball. KC has masked Gavins flaws with easy perimeter throws so what makes anyone think that he couldn't do the same with Simon. 4* or not you gotta do your job..and AS QB you have hit open receivers CONSISTENTLY. Period.
Exactly
This is something Gavin has not done after 18 games as QB.
Only a fool thinks this will change.
It was a long time ago so memory is a bit fuzzy. I would think Savage begged to be benched to protect his future prospects. A few more games behind that OL sieve and he might be spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
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And you may have but its premise is faulted and its quite clear of the differences.
I disagree if you think he will bow to Wimsatt like a Pro coach would to a high profile QB who ownership has invested substantially. Apples and Oranges.
So yer insight into Schiano is so great that you believe its "dam the torpedoes"?
Schiano gotta take care of his QB at the cost of winning?
Like i said you cant look at College football through NFL eye glasses, it skews the playing field.
The naivete here is extremely disappointing. It's all the same: CFB, NFL, politics, whatever. Whenever possible, always avoid openings for your credibility and judgment to be questioned.
And yes, you also have to coddle your stars these days (transfer portal. more NIL,etc.) If you guys don't think the above is part of the equation, not only don't you understand coaching but you're missing how the world works too. It's a given.
There are still people that insist to this day that Dodd was better than Nova. Again like they missed Simon in the Nebraska game they missed Dodd in the Cuse game where Nova came in and won.
I swear some people need a soap opera in the program just to stir the pot.
Many know I was not a huge GS 1.0 fan. He had some very good traits but so many bad as well.
But "always" picked the wrong QB, just doesn't make any damn sense.
The Nebraska game was a different OC and different offensive line. It has nothing to do with melodrama and has to do with exploring if Simon's skillset potentially matches the **present** situation better than GW's, whose skills etc matched up better last season.
I think it's a valid discussion. It may not be accurate but it isn't really like day time soaps.
I think it's a valid discussion. It may not be accurate but it isn't really like day time soaps.
I have extended family in Tampa. Rutgers has nothing on bucs fans when it comes to Schiano frustration! They are convinced he ruined Josh freeman. This of course doesn't entirely hold up when you look closely at it but it makes no difference to them.
I really think its naĂŻve to think the Schiano is coddling Gavin Wimsatt.
But hey we all are entitled to have our opinions.
unless of course you believe yours is more worthy than mine.
I would say that Greg did coddle GW but not so much on how he is using him but the fact that he went a whole recruiting cycle not bringing in a single QB. That should never happen.
I do believe that GW gives us the best chance to win this year. I don't think it is that close either. Over the long run, Simon would get crushed in the backfield. PF is making the OL look pretty decent this year because he is smart enough to hide a lot of deficiencies with a QB that is a threat to run.
If we had a statue in the backfield- our OL would not hold up.
You give the best explanation of why GW is the starter and why he gives RU the best chance to win despite his faults
haha, have to say this was well done and made me chuckle regardless what side of coin you are on. well done!