Talent Level

[Headcard]

Below is a link for a pretty good read on our current talent level. The players we are actually playing (2 Deep) are pretty much on par with everyone else in the B1G West. It doesn't account for all our problems, but I believe we should be out-recruiting the rest of our division by alot.

http://www.1620thezone.com/unsportsmanlike-conduct/2015/10/27/how-talented-is-nebraska

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Read that earlier this morning, thanks for bringing it up.

2011 class (fifth year seniors)
Aaron Green - transferred
Charles Jackson - oft injured
Ryan Klachko - transferred
Tyler Moore - transferred
Todd Peat Jr - transferred
Ryne Reeves - starter
David Santos - kicked off
Daimion Stafford - exhausted eligibility (JUCO)
Bubba Starling - MLB
Zach Sterup - backup/starter

2012 class
Zaire Anderson - exhausted eligibility (JUCO)
Greg McMullen - starter
Alonzo Moore - starter
Mohammed Seisay - exhausted eligibility (JUCO)
Jordan Westerkamp - starter

2013 class
Josh Banderas - starter
Randy Gregory - NFL (JUCO)
Marcus Newby - backup
Terrell Newby - starter
Adam Taylor - special teams player

2014 class
Tanner Farmer - scout team
Nick Gates - starter
Monte Harrison - MLB
Mikale Wilbon - on roster

 

[CameronKrazie86]

Thanks to the first 2 posters, good info!

So the conclusion is Nebraska has at least top 3 talent based on rivals rankings even with all the injuries/suspensions while #1 according to 247 in the division.

It would seem like in that situation that coaching would play an even bigger role with equal talent.

Regardless it is clear that Nebraska does not possess an overwhelming talent advantage relative to the rest of the division.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

So the conclusion is Nebraska has at least top 3 talent based on rivals rankings even with all the injuries/suspensions

Let this sink in, Northwestern's 2-deep had a higher star average than Nebraska's 2-deep.

 

[huskerssalts]

Agree with Tim, when you look at it without players leaving for whatever reason, we have more star rating talenr, but you have to look at the whole picture and a lot those guys are gone, Moore and Peat where 4 star guys as well. Unfortunately we are equal to or barely above teams just in the west division.

Man i forgot about Tyler Moore and Todd Peat Jr, Huskertim whats your thought, do you think those 2 would of helped us out greatly if they stayed. I think Moore would if helped out a lot, dude was starting as a true freshmen. What did he do that pissed Bo off so badly that got him benched and eventually bailed out?

 

[Headcard]

Not HTO, but I'm sure Moore would have helped alot. Peat Jr. was a mess after hurting his back and ended up at a D-II school, so not so much.

 

[huskerssalts]

I know its beating a dead horse but it still pops in my head, what if...Bubba Starling didn't go MLB and staying a Husker, would Tommy beat out Starling and my guess is no and how much things would be different with that 4 star stud running our offense at QB?

 

[HuskerOH_rivals315145]

Read that earlier this morning, thanks for bringing it up.

2011 class (fifth year seniors)
Aaron Green - transferred
Charles Jackson - oft injured
Ryan Klachko - transferred
Tyler Moore - transferred
Todd Peat Jr - transferred
Ryne Reeves - starter
David Santos - kicked off
Daimion Stafford - exhausted eligibility (JUCO)
Bubba Starling - MLB
Zach Sterup - backup/starter

2012 class
Zaire Anderson - exhausted eligibility (JUCO)
Greg McMullen - starter
Alonzo Moore - starter
Mohammed Seisay - exhausted eligibility (JUCO)
Jordan Westerkamp - starter

2013 class
Josh Banderas - starter
Randy Gregory - NFL (JUCO)
Marcus Newby - backup
Terrell Newby - starter
Adam Taylor - special teams player

2014 class
Tanner Farmer - scout team
Nick Gates - starter
Monte Harrison - MLB
Mikale Wilbon - on roster

What bet did you lose to make you have the picture Tim??

 

[dinglefritz]

Let this sink in, Northwestern's 2-deep had a higher star average than Nebraska's 2-deep.

So much for the argument that we have better talent than the teams we are losing to. This post needs to be pinned for all the Bolievers to read every day. On top of the two deep star ranking, how many of those guys on the defensive two deep in particular were healthy for our losses?

 

[MichHusker]

Let this sink in, Northwestern's 2-deep had a higher star average than Nebraska's 2-deep.

Thanks - So it is fair to say Nebraska's talent level is down compared to our standard (1960's -2000's). In other words, we are now paying for some years of poor recruiting, transfers, etc. Gimmered insisted on Sunday that "We have more talent than all of them. The problem is game planning and management." I get there may be other factors in play, but no one can deny talent IS an issue, and we need to get that piece fixed to effectively contend for championships.

 

[dinglefritz]

Thanks - So it is fair to say Nebraska's talent level is down compared to our standard (1960's -2000's). In other words, we are now paying for some years of poor recruiting, transfers, etc. Gimmered insisted on Sunday that "We have more talent than all of them. The problem is game planning and management." I get there may be other factors in play, but no one can deny talent IS an issue, and we need to get that piece fixed to effectively contend for championships.

In part because of his terrible public perception, Bo was forced to take quite a few guys that had some issues. Many of those guys are gone but one in particular is still on the team and suspended. The lack of upperclassmen contributing right now is a glaring example of how soft our recruiting was. Parents knew about Carl's issues. Many parents didn't want their kid playing for Bo. It didn't matter to some, but the pool of recruits was shrunken dramatically by his behavior. It has all come home to roost.

 

[Rcnut223]

I think we need to keep in mind that the scholarship limits are playing into what is going on here.

85 schollies and limits on class size, even the playing field for the whole league . it was intended to do just that and it's working.

. Also we don't over sign and cut players as much as some schools do,

lastly why should we be out recruiting everyone else in our division, and i mean this seriously . What drives kids to attend one school over another, coach , winning , talent on roster , players desire to start, ....because what ever that is , we don't offer that to the very best available

and please do say yes we do... cause if we did they would be here . .

 

[dinglefritz]

I think we need to keep in mind that the scholarship limits are playing into what is going on here.

85 schollies and limits on class size, even the playing field for the whole league . it was intended to do just that and it's working.

. Also we don't over sign and cut players as much as some schools do,

lastly why should we be out recruiting everyone else in our division, and i mean this seriously . What drives kids to attend one school over another, coach , winning , talent on roster , players desire to start, ....because what ever that is , we don't offer that to the very best available

and please do say yes we do... cause if we did they would be here . .

Bo never filled his classes so why would we have had to "cut" anybody? The problem is the quality of recruits (not just star ranking) was not where it needed to be for the past 5-6 years. The level of contribution by our upperclassmen right now is abysmal.

 

[SnohomishRed]

In part because of his terrible public perception, Bo was forced to take quite a few guys that had some issues. Many of those guys are gone but one in particular is still on the team and suspended. The lack of upperclassmen contributing right now is a glaring example of how soft our recruiting was. Parents knew about Carl's issues. Many parents didn't want their kid playing for Bo. It didn't matter to some, but the pool of recruits was shrunken dramatically by his behavior. It has all come home to roost.

I agree with this - The constant tantrums on the sidelines and the lack of organization on recruiting hurt our overall talent level

 

[AdaminLincoln]

The total lack of depth has caused as may issues as the lack of overall talent. When you go into a game where losing one linebacker means you have to play with two, that's a large problem. Same at other positions.

 

[Headcard]

lastly why should we be out recruiting everyone else in our division, and i mean this seriously . What drives kids to attend one school over another, coach , winning , talent on roster , players desire to start, ....because what ever that is , we don't offer that to the very best available

and please do say yes we do... cause if we did they would be here . .

Seriously? Nebraska is one of the Top 8 programs of All-Time. We have support, tradition and facilities that the other programs in our division can't dream of.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

What bet did you lose to make you have the picture Tim??

MRI suspension.

So much for the argument that we have better talent than the teams we are losing to. This post needs to be pinned for all the Bolievers to read every day. On top of the two deep star ranking, how many of those guys on the defensive two deep in particular were healthy for our losses?

IMO, there is talent on the roster, not enough though and that is where the issue begins.

Thanks - So it is fair to say Nebraska's talent level is down compared to our standard (1960's -2000's). In other words, we are now paying for some years of poor recruiting, transfers, etc.

I wouldn't go so far back, many years ago we had 2 teams, a lot more coaches and less restriction on time per week with players.

I think we need to keep in mind that the scholarship limits are playing into what is going on here.

85 schollies and limits on class size, even the playing field for the whole league . it was intended to do just that and it's working.

. Also we don't over sign and cut players as much as some schools do,

What?!?

85 scholarship limit began in 1992, that is 23 years ago. Our limit on class sizes, technically speaking, is 25 in the B1G. You can sign up to 30 if you count 5 back to the previous class and since Pelini never filled a class, counting back wouldn't be an issue - the issue was, recruiting guys you could count back.

"We", even under Pelini, had plenty of attrition for one reason or another, from guys signed by Bo....

Whitmore, Leverson, Hetzer, Toailoa, Spano, Grant, Williams (Josh), Ward, Rogers, Wald, Cooper, Ash, Coffey, Green, Kerr, Middleton, Robinson, Washington, Williams (Chris), Ashburn, Carnes, Evans, Harper, Heard, Jackson, Marsh, Okuyemi, Rome, Vestal

^^ That's 29 signatures in the first three classes ONLY that didn't finish their career at Nebraska ^^ (((More than 1 full class lost)))

Then you factor in the next two classes, 2011 and 2012, and for the life of me, I can't understand how people don't get why we're in the situation we're in. And it's exactly why I said last season Bo should be allowed to coach 1 more season, I called this crap a long time ago and have been preaching about our recruiting for a long, long time.

lastly why should we be out recruiting everyone else in our division, and i mean this seriously

I'm smelling something here....

 

[otismotis08]

Nothing will change until we hire that lightning-rod recruiter I've been clamoring for.

 

[leodisflowers]

Nothing will change until we hire that lightning-rod recruiter I've been clamoring for.

Bring in the Zooker.

 

[jeans15]

We need to recruit as if we are in the SEC. Cut throat.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I think there are several factors at work ( none of them have been good for recruiting)

1. Bo sucked at recruiting overall - he did get some good kids but it was never well organized and more of a slap shot - For every AA or Lavonte David he missed on other kids
2. The move to the Big10 did not help our recruiting - From 2007 to 2010 we signed 29 kids form Texas - From 2011 to 2014 we signed 14. We have not been very successful at making inroads to Ohio imo - The net result has been pad for NU
3. The continual hotseat Bo was on did not help from the leaked audio tape on - Pretty much any of these kids could see the writing on the wall

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

The move to the Big10 did not help our recruiting - From 2007 to 2010 we signed 29 kids form Texas - From 2011 to 2014 we signed 14.

That's on the staff for changing their focus, not on us moving to the B1G. We've never had to rely heavily on the state of Texas for recruiting.

 

[Guptah]

Let this sink in, Northwestern's 2-deep had a higher star average than Nebraska's 2-deep.

At least we beat the team lowest on the list in terms of talent.

1-3 so far against the west! Yes!!!

How was that monkey Pelini able to win 9 games when the talent gap was so narrow between Big 10 teams? A monkey could win 9 games at Nebraska.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

At least we beat the team lowest on the list in terms of talent.

1-3 so far against the west! Yes!!!

How was that monkey Pelini able to win 9 games when the talent gap was so narrow between Big 10 teams? A monkey could win 9 games at Nebraska.

Look up long enough, you'll eventually see the point.

Never said a monkey could win 9 games at Nebraska, recycled poster made it way too obvious on their 4th post.

 

[nebcountry]

I wish we had more talent than we do now. But I have a problem with the whole analysis.

Josh Peterson put together a spreadsheet, assigned every walk-on player a 5.0 rating and used high school recruiting ratings for those that were rated in high school. For the entire 2015 recruiting class, you will see either no rating or 5.2 rating and higher. To be fair, prior years have some guys rated 4.9, 5.0, and 5.1. Baylor actually took a 5.1 guy a few years back, he was a kicker. So "NO", I will not take this as GOSPEL and other than a made up analysis completed by someone not qualified, there is nothing to let sink in.

I will seriously consider a 2-deep talent evaluation that is put together by someone who is actually qualified to judge talent.

 

[Guptah]

Look up long enough, you'll eventually see the point.

Never said a monkey could win 9 games at Nebraska, recycled poster made it way too obvious on their 4th post.

You act as if I'm trying to hide it. If the mods on this board weren't such Nazis in protecting you and the "Let's Hump Mike Riley" crowd, I wouldn't be posting under a new screen name.

It's quite the groupthink you RILLLLLLLEY supporters have here.

 

[SilentCommit]

You act as if I'm trying to hide it. If the mods on this board weren't such Nazis in protecting you and the "Let's Hump Mike Riley" crowd, I wouldn't be posting under a new screen name.

It's quite the groupthink you RILLLLLLLEY supporters have here.

I'm sure you're attitude towards the mods has *nothing* to do with being a recycled poster, amirite? Most who choose to continue NU's current coach do so willingly, but not blindly, unlike those that continue to lament the release of the last coach. So there's that.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Josh Peterson put together a spreadsheet, assigned every walk-on player a 5.0 rating and used high school recruiting ratings for those that were rated in high school. For the entire 2015 recruiting class, you will see either no rating or 5.2 rating and higher. To be fair, prior years have some guys rated 4.9, 5.0, and 5.1. Baylor actually took a 5.1 guy a few years back, he was a kicker. So "NO", I will not take this as GOSPEL and other than a made up analysis completed by someone not qualified, there is nothing to let sink in.

Laughing

Had they assigned no rating for the walk-ons, the chart looks worse. Call it what you want, I couldn't care less, cold hard truths are tough to deal with.

 

[Guptah]

Laughing

cold hard truths are tough to deal with.

Like the fact that you're an overweight internet tough guy?

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

You act as if I'm trying to hide it. If the mods on this board weren't such Nazis in protecting you and the "Let's Hump Mike Riley" crowd, I wouldn't be posting under a new screen name.

It's quite the groupthink you RILLLLLLLEY supporters have here.

Guptah is a new name, get closer to your old name next time - if you're really not trying to hide it. Yes, protecting me, someone that hardly posts here anymore!?? RollingLaugh

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Like the fact that you're an overweight internet tough guy?

Overweight for sure, tough guy in real life not just the internet so get it straight.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Yes. You. You tell on people. And that is really sad. A p***y move, really.

You tell on people RollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaughRollingLaugh

Say it to my FACE, tough guy!

 

[Guptah]

Overweight for sure, tough guy in real life not just the internet so get it straight.

If you're a tough guy, you obviously get your *** kicked constantly. That doesn't make you tough. That makes you an idiot, fatty.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

If you're a tough guy, you obviously get your *** kicked constantly. That doesn't make you tough. That makes you an idiot, fatty.

Holy sheet dude, I drop fools in my sleep.

 

[Guptah]

Holy sheet dude, I drop dookies in my sleep.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

He's so mad, he quoted my post but forgot to respond. Hurry up, use the EDIT button.

 

[Guptah]

He's so mad, he quoted my post but forgot to respond. Hurry up, use the EDIT button.

LOL. Might want to re-read that, buddy.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

LOL. Might want to re-read that, buddy.

No need to, FIFY is etiquette, you mad.

For those not familiar, here's Guptah in the red against my training partner....

 

[Guptah]

No need to, FIFY is etiquette, you mad.

For those not familiar, here's Guptah in the red against my training partner....

It's ok that you made a mistake, Tim. You do it constantly. It's just a shame you can't ever own up to your mistakes.

You should hit the gym.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

It's ok that you made a mistake, Tim. You do it constantly. It's just a shame you can't ever own up to your mistakes.

You should hit the gym.

No mistake made, the laugh is on you, even when you change shorts color...