Croom was forced out. This was the only way his assistants could get their money. He didn't want to leave but was loyal to his coaches. Got to respect that.
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Croom was forced out. This was the only way his assistants could get their money. He didn't want to leave but was loyal to his coaches. Got to respect that.
Croom was forced out. This was the only way his assistants could get their money. He didn't want to leave but was loyal to his coaches. Got to respect that.
At the same time, I think that Croom could have potentially been a good HC if he didn't let his friendships interfere with his coaching duties.
Woody MCCorvey eventually ruined him in the end.
Woody MCCorvey eventually ruined him in the end.
I always thought that maybe he wasnt the problem. We had A) No recruiting foundation, ex: Nothing to build off of, Croom and his staff couldnt recruit and B) he let his friendship with assistants control his job and C) He isnt a offensive mind, he couldve fired McCorvey and hired a offensive co. that actually knew how to run a offense.
Tell me what I`m missing here. We give a life-long mediocore NFL assistant(giving Croom the benefit of the doubt) an opportunity to be a head coach at an SEC school and become a millionare in the process. He proceeds to not even care enough to show up to work on time and when he does he fails miseralbly at every aspect of his job(well except for becoming a media darling , making excuses and throwing his own players under the bus). He shows the alumni and supporters of the school that his own personal agenda with assistant coaches(for more reasons than just friendship) is a bigger priority to him than doing the job he was hired and paid well to do(it was to win football games wasn`t it). Then he leaves with a horrible record ,a sack full of our money and the football program is not a damn bit better than it was when he got here(OK fewer thugs now but fewer players too). Exactly what the hell are yall respecting ?
that he (like me) had no business being a head coach, yet did it anyways and became a millionaire.
He's a good man. Yeah right. Ive experienced first hand this "good" man. He's very high on himself. I hope this resignation was one of the pages he read in the Bear's book and hope Bobby Ross told him to step down as well. His so called recruiting skills led us to having a lot of walk on starters. Explain that one.
but I want to thank Sylvester Croom for everything he did at Mississippi State besides the W/L record. He was a public relations dream and represented the university the best way possible. I really thought after last year, even with the "lucky" wins, he had turned this thing around. I was obviously wrong. To me, a lot of the battle is believing you can win. The LA Tech loss threw that out the window.
I wish things would have ended after 10 years, him taking us to 5 bowls and retiring from coaching but helping the university in some other official capacity.
I wish things would have ended after 10 years, him taking us to 5 bowls and retiring from coaching but helping the university in some other official capacity.
much figured taht byrne told him to change some coaching positions and he refused and was then asked to resign and complied. i think when everyone says they respect him, they are saying so because he's sticking up for others and not putting himself first. whether it be right or wrong...just sayin
what about the novel idea of putting MSU first , you know the people who gave him the chance of a lifetime and made him a millionare.</p>
still be coach of MSU but for the way he was viewed by the nation, for that, I am thankful. He was everything you could ask for in a HC besides the obvious - the ability to win.
while JWS was here, I will say that the Croom era was a refreshing change.
Also, as glad as I am that he's gone, I cannot understand the folks that think that the program is no better off than when he took over. No matter who Byrne hires, I'll say that MSU is two seasons away from being back in serious bowl contention.
Also, as glad as I am that he's gone, I cannot understand the folks that think that the program is no better off than when he took over. No matter who Byrne hires, I'll say that MSU is two seasons away from being back in serious bowl contention.
my post was poorly worded. It should have said your post makes a good example of the problem. Was Croom going to put himself first or his loyalty to his coaches first ? At that point my question is what about putting the school first. My bad.
talent wise is worse off right now than it was in 2003 and that's saying something.
Just off the top of my head:
I would take Norwood, Conner, David Stewart, Deljuan Robinson, Corey Clark, Andrew Powell, Chris McNeil, etc over what we have now. The only positions we might be better our LB and possibly secondary.
Just off the top of my head:
I would take Norwood, Conner, David Stewart, Deljuan Robinson, Corey Clark, Andrew Powell, Chris McNeil, etc over what we have now. The only positions we might be better our LB and possibly secondary.
his successor will in all likelihood inherit zero guys that will be in the NFL 4 years from his first season.
I still say the problem Croom inherited most was 5 years of Mike Grant. That team was out of shape and weak. At least next year's team will be in good physical condition...just talentless.
I still say the problem Croom inherited most was 5 years of Mike Grant. That team was out of shape and weak. At least next year's team will be in good physical condition...just talentless.
starting out. Public perception wise he`ll probably be starting off a little better depending on whatever bad pub Croom`s firing has generated when the dust settles. He`ll have a mess on his hands on the field for quite a while though.
Croom had his teams competing with just about everyone for the last two years. No matter how much pure talent was on the team when Croom first took over, they didn't give a damn about much and it showed on the field. I attended every home game during Jackie's last year and there was only one that I didn't leave during or before halftime.
There may not be any high school all americans on the roster right now, but if the next coach can land a solid QB and a good offensive line coach, I think he'll be two years away from 7-8 wins and a bowl. Sadly, that's all I really ask
There may not be any high school all americans on the roster right now, but if the next coach can land a solid QB and a good offensive line coach, I think he'll be two years away from 7-8 wins and a bowl. Sadly, that's all I really ask
Croom's loyalty to an incompetent coach that apparently the players didn't like ruined him. I really think a guy like Gus Mahlzahn may have saved Croom's career in much the same way that Joe Lee Dunn saved Jackie's.
It may not have been Woody's offense, but I believe that a competent football coach should be able to make good play calls out of whatever offense they are running. Plus, everytime Croom was questioned about the offense he would get really defensive, and yet throw a guy like Reed Stringer or Derek Pegues under the bus with no problem. Doing that is going to piss people off and cause problems within the team.
It may not have been Woody's offense, but I believe that a competent football coach should be able to make good play calls out of whatever offense they are running. Plus, everytime Croom was questioned about the offense he would get really defensive, and yet throw a guy like Reed Stringer or Derek Pegues under the bus with no problem. Doing that is going to piss people off and cause problems within the team.
my answer is....firing woody would would not have changed anything....croom would have run his offense with or without him.....so i ask you, how was is woody's fault croom got fired?DawgMedic said:
than in 2003. The work ethic and discipline within the program is worlds better now and our players give great effort. But I see very few spots on the field now where we will have a lot of athletic talent next year. A lot of the athletic talent on defense is lost after this year.
What kind of impact did he really have on these players. Will they quit now, or will it bring them closer together? I am also glad that Byrne is making this decision now, and not LT. Had Croom resigned a year ago....... LT would be asking Woody McCorvey if he wanted the job.
Do we have a director of football operations? Could we have put Croom there?
Do we have a director of football operations? Could we have put Croom there?
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You consider beating a .500 Bama at HOME and an 0-8 in the SEC Ole Miss team at HOME as competing? Well I guess we competed with Main and Tulane and La Tech by your stupid *** standards. I swear some of the dumbest 17ing statements come from our idiotic fans.
Agree with everything you said. I was right with you. And yeah, you can analyze it to the core, but the team psychology is so fragile. You ABSOLUTELY, 100% HAD to win the LaTech game. I don't care who was suspended, what the scheme was, yadda yadda yadda. Had to win that game. He didn't, and that is the story of Croom.
He wins it, and we may be mully-grubbing right now, but we are 7-5 again and bowling and Croom still has his job. Tech game. That's it.
He wins it, and we may be mully-grubbing right now, but we are 7-5 again and bowling and Croom still has his job. Tech game. That's it.
when he didn't go for it on 4th and 1 and punted the ball back to them, allowing them to basically run the clock out.
If we had stopped them three and out, we would have got the ball back with about 30 seconds left and probably would have had to go the length of the field.
Whether Croom intended to or not, the message he sent his team that one play was "I don't believe in you, and I quit".
If we had stopped them three and out, we would have got the ball back with about 30 seconds left and probably would have had to go the length of the field.
Whether Croom intended to or not, the message he sent his team that one play was "I don't believe in you, and I quit".
that Croom was open to some changes.
We'll never know if a different OC would make a difference or not. Like I said, I do think he would let a new OC do his thing because he let the defensive and ST coaches do their thing, and he was basically trying to help Woody land a HC job or a OC job in the NFL the entire time he was here.
Just because Jackie wouldn't change offenses doesn't mean that Croom wouldn't. Just like just because LT wouldn't have fired Croom didn't mean that Byrne wouldn't fire him.
We'll never know if a different OC would make a difference or not. Like I said, I do think he would let a new OC do his thing because he let the defensive and ST coaches do their thing, and he was basically trying to help Woody land a HC job or a OC job in the NFL the entire time he was here.
Just because Jackie wouldn't change offenses doesn't mean that Croom wouldn't. Just like just because LT wouldn't have fired Croom didn't mean that Byrne wouldn't fire him.