he made a goodpoint. At some point, you have to change your mindset from "nothing to lose" to "we might win this game". That fake punt was playing "nothing to lose". We were in position to win the game.
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he made a goodpoint. At some point, you have to change your mindset from "nothing to lose" to "we might win this game". That fake punt was playing "nothing to lose". We were in position to win the game.
he made a goodpoint. At some point, you have to change your mindset from "nothing to lose" to "we might win this game". That fake punt was playing "nothing to lose". We were in position to win the game.
It was there. Re had the entire side of the field, and easily picks up the first down if he doesn't trip. Not a damn thing wrong with that call.
while i value your input, and consider you a very rational poster/ceo, that is not good logic..what had we done up to that point that would lead you to believe we were in position to win the game? it was going to take some offensive production to win that game, and that simply wasnt going to happen against that defense..fla can beat you in multiple ways
but he would not have had it. The only reason he tripped is because he was trying to cut back because he didn't have the edge. The defender was closing on him.
on our defense. Our D all year has been bend but don't break. We give up chunks of yardage.
You pin them back and hope for a big turnover. Like I said, if Florida would not have gained a yard, they would have gone up 6 because they got the ball at the 23.
When you are down 3 to the #1 team in the nation, it's field position time. I am fine with the call about 15 yds down field.
You pin them back and hope for a big turnover. Like I said, if Florida would not have gained a yard, they would have gone up 6 because they got the ball at the 23.
When you are down 3 to the #1 team in the nation, it's field position time. I am fine with the call about 15 yds down field.
some points..we definitely took the "bend but dont break" mentality into this game..big ups to carl torbush tonight..he had the defense ready to play as much as ive seen in the last decade..but by the same token, you take away the two tebow pick 6s, which we all know are a complete anomaly, and we only muster two fgs against that d..it was a calculated risk, and he lost..like people have said, if he gets that first down, he is holy..
Watch the replay. After the formation shift, they had nobody over there. It wasn't like we needed 15 yards or more. He would have gotten it easily.
I appreciate erring on the side of aggressiveness, but we took a huge gamble and lost. Down by 3 in the 4th, you punt from that spot. Down by 10, you might do that, or on the other side of the 50 you might do that. But bad decision. Still, we have ourselves a coach and our program is rebounding.
At around midfield the risk would have been worth it to have kept a drive going but NOT at our 20 and us still very much in the ball game. If you make it you still have nearly 65 plus yards in front of you to their endzone but if you don't make it you give them a 20 to 25 yard drive needed to score a TD and go up by 10. I'm all for "out of the box" thinking but that was just not a smart call given the situation. And added to that Elliott is not the right guy to make that call with. He's lost a lot of speed and is not confident right now. Bumphis or Berry would have been better choices.
it just didn't feel like the right time for a fake punt. There have been many occasions over the years where I have thought, perfect time for a fake, not this time. But that's not my biggest gripe.
My biggest gripe is the number of plays we ran with Relf. We are down 3 to the no. 1 team in the country and we decide to play our one dimensional QB who hasn't played in weeks? I just didn't get it. Especially when we were pinned on our goal line. Dixon busts it up the middle for a first down and then we run Relf 3 straight times, run the fake punt, ballgame.
My biggest gripe is the number of plays we ran with Relf. We are down 3 to the no. 1 team in the country and we decide to play our one dimensional QB who hasn't played in weeks? I just didn't get it. Especially when we were pinned on our goal line. Dixon busts it up the middle for a first down and then we run Relf 3 straight times, run the fake punt, ballgame.
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Around the 50, a fake would have been expected and Florida would probably be prepared to defend it. On the play we ran, the only reason they made the play was due to having superior athletes. They were not prepared for the fake at all. On another day, that same fake in the same location is a big play. Today, Florida just made the play. That's all.
we would not have made it regardless. He was not going to get the edge and they even had a punt block on. Rainey almost tackled our punter before he pitched the ball.
I think mullen is smarter than that, I think he was setting something up with relf, just didnt get a chance to follow thru.
but I would have liked to have seen someone like Bumphis or Leon running it instead of A rehabilitating Robert Elliott. That was my biggest problem with the play call.
...it doesn't matter if he would've had it or not. There is no acceptable circumstance where you fake a punt inside your own 20 in a three point game. Ever.
Dan is doing an unbelieveable job, but he totally screwed up on that one. I think in his exuberance, he overthinks things sometimes and gets a little too "cute". He'll learn.
There were 2 UF defenders in front of him, and he still had 3-4 yards to go. No way he makes it. Blackledge and Nessler both said it as well.
i still don't understand why we wouldn't want to take a chance that we punt, hold them, they punt, and we may end up with better field position. if we had gotten the first down we would have been on our own 31 (i think). we most likely, based on what we had done so far against them, would have ended up punting several plays later. instead we don't get the fake and they have it on the 29. too much risk and way too little reward.</p>
The place was rocking with 57K screaming fans, cowbells were everywhere, our D is overmatched but salty and kept making big stops to keep us in it, and up until that point it didn't look like Florida against MState. After that play, it was like Florida was like, "that's right, we are still Florida and they are still State." To me it was too desparate too early. With 3 minutes left, maybe. Even then I don't like. I have never and will never agree with faking a punt in a one possession game on your own 20 at home. It's just stupid. I like Dan's aggressiveness, but one can be too aggressive. You punt and tell the D to get another stop. If Florida goes down and scores a TD, hey they just have more talent than us. But don't beat yourself with a stupid call. We basically took the game out of our team's hands right there and it stunk. The whole game changed on that play. We lost that game on that play. I like Dan, and he has done a tremendous job, but that was a stupid call and I hope someone tells him that it was and tells him never to do that again. That ought to be a rule, never fake punt from your own 20 at home in a one possession game with 11 minutes left.
the Florida tackler was fixing to light him up before he could get the first down (It happen right in front of me.). Very "Eddie O'ish" call with lots of time left, momentum, and being only 3 points down! I think the coaching (on both sides) was pityful as well as the officiating! Torbush called a good game but T-god helped him. Florida is beatable and we blew an opportunity! NO MORAL VICTORIES HERE!
and as such makes mistakes. Hopefully he will learn, and I fully expect him to given what I've seen out of him.
genius. Tommy Tubberville made a few risky decisions early in his career at Auburn, many that worked. He did it to try and level the playing field a little. I don't have a problem with the call as we were not doing **** on offense, but I can see the argument for punting. Who knows, FL could have fumbled the ball. But FL could have blocked another punt too, they were all over the punter on this play. So I'm not going to lose any sleep on the decision. It just didn't work.
I think the previous blocked punt had a lot to do with this decision too. Mullen was trying to catch them in a punt block situation, and if we would've tried to punt there, it would've been blocked. I hope we spend a little time in practice on our punting unit this week picking up a rush.
I don't have a problem with the call in that situation. That play should've worked. The only problem I have is with the personnel.
Of course I'm also used to us punting from the opponents 30 when we just converted a 4th down on the last set of downs. It's refreshing to me to see someone taking chances trying to find a way to win.</p>
I don't have a problem with the call in that situation. That play should've worked. The only problem I have is with the personnel.
Of course I'm also used to us punting from the opponents 30 when we just converted a 4th down on the last set of downs. It's refreshing to me to see someone taking chances trying to find a way to win.</p>
If you were watching the interviews after the game, you saw Erin in her hotness asking Irving Meyer(sp?) "what did you just say to [Mullens]?" And Irving said he was asking DM about the fake punt, and it was obvious to Irving that DM made that call based on his recognition of a Florida signal from the sidelines as to what type of punt defense Florida was in. DM made a snap decision in order to catch Florida in an advantageous punt defense. If you watched the punt d they were in, it was not a safety punt. They had 3 guys attacking. They were going for the block. DM recognized the sideline signal (insider info) and called for the fake. The problem is, one of Florida's rushers got so damn deep into the backfield due to the stupid upman completely wiffing that it disrupted everything. And, of course, swan elliot just completely self-destructed.
Again, completely the wrong call. But I get what mullen wanted to do.
Again, completely the wrong call. But I get what mullen wanted to do.
End result about the same. FL appeared to me to be all over the play with a good chance of blocking the punt. But we will never know for sure, so open for debate.
You don't run a fake punt at your own 20 only down by 3 in the 4th quarter. That's desperate and you are in the game. You are one possible turnover from winning the game. If you don't get it, you are conceding points and possibly the game at that line of scrimmage. Terrible call even if you did get it. Miles doesn't even make that stupid of a call. Mullen will learn from that mistake.
I don't care what Dan Mullen saw....a lot of things can go wrong on 4th down *like trip on the turf*.
I don't care what Dan Mullen saw....a lot of things can go wrong on 4th down *like trip on the turf*.
To me it's pretty simple: You don't run a fake punt reverse against the fastest team in the nation.
Even if Elliot doesn't trip, he doesn't get it unless he makes the guy miss. Add in the fact that it was inside our 20, and it was a bad call.
Some of you need to realize that you can disagree with coaches, people in the AD, etc, and still be supportive. Just because Dan Mullen did it doesn't make it perfect.
Even if Elliot doesn't trip, he doesn't get it unless he makes the guy miss. Add in the fact that it was inside our 20, and it was a bad call.
Some of you need to realize that you can disagree with coaches, people in the AD, etc, and still be supportive. Just because Dan Mullen did it doesn't make it perfect.
Rainey would probably have blocked it, why not run the fake? Maybe just with Bumphis or Berry instead of "trippin' duece."
doesn't mean we are just blindly following whatever decision he makes. We are 'all' entitled to an opinion.