If I had to guess today, I’d bet that he’s a day 2 pick. However, the chances of going in round 1 are higher than the chances of going day 3 (and those predicting he’d potentially go undrafted aren’t close to reality).
Tengwall Film Study - PSU 4th Quarter Offense
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Listen to what Franklin said at the half, they needed to get the running game going; that told me his stamp on the gameplan was heavy on running which failed. Todd Blackledge said at the half PSU needed to pass more to set up the run. That max protect worked well. Why wasn"t it employed earlier in the game after the running game was stuck in the.mud?
Some of it's simply accuracy. If Allar could just magically fix his mechanics and cut his misses in half, he'd probably have 5 or 6 more completions and 50 or 60 more yards per game and it wouldn't look so bad. Or even more -- Coach K. would probably use the passing game more because he wouldn't be so worried about Allar throwing INTs. The dirty little secret is that Drew just can't put the ball where he wants to a fairly high percentage of the time. Probably not fixable at this stage but we can hope.
Oregon essentially brought a safety down for run support 75% of the time. That's what PSU is going to see in one form or another for the rest of the year. Teams see Allar is someone who can't beat them so make Allar throw the ball. When you don't have a passing game you don't have a run game.
It's honestly not though. See the deadly accuracy on the play where he slipped and threw a perfect ball. In our system, for the QB to be accurate they have to be on the same page as the receivers. Our receivers run horrible routes consistently. And not every ball is going to be perfect--they have to catch it when it hits their hands. Reynolds has to catch that ball--he knows it and tapped his chest. That ball is caught by everyone playing on Sundays.
There's no need to worry about Allar throwing picks--he rarely throws one. He's only thrown 12 in his career. That's phenomenial. Even counting the dropped TD that went for a pick against Ohio State last year.
Great post. I noticed the same thing you did on the last play of the game. The WR on the near side (to the camera) had one on one coverage and the DB was giving him a big cushion. Why not throw it to him and take the 5-7 yards and live to fight another down?
Also, on one of the plays were Allar started to rolll out, then he tried to juke the defender but was tackled for a loss, one of the WRs (Pena, I think?) had beaten his coverage easily, was slanting deep and there was no safety help. If Drew sees that on the roll out and throws it to him, it’s an easy touchdown, but he never even looked his way.
And to have a pass game you have to beat man coverage and protect--which we don't do either of--it's why Singleton needs to be used in the slot way more often and Allen needs to be RB1
Listening to the broadcast, reading between the lines, listening to the tone, you could hear that Blackledge really feels for Allar. The sky-high expectations and the reality that Allar, at least at this stage, is just not able to be the kind of player PSU fans thought he could be. Blackledge had to deal with that for most of his career as well, though he did find glory in the end.
Bad QB play?
Again, no excuse for Penn State to have bad QB play in 2025. None. If he turned away guys in the portal out of loyalty, first to Clifford then to Allar, that’s not good coaching in 2025. Or 2021 for that matter. Heck, Virginia is getting good qb play and got it on a rental.
The first six offensive play calls of the game should have gotten him fired, what a joke.
Ehh, while true, it’s still X and O and it’s still just ball. I’m not asking for 48 points. I’m asking for more than 70 yards in a half. The gulf isn’t that big from Big 12 to Big Ten and Yurcich worked under Day for a time. Kirk C put it on our very good D in 18 and then put it on a good Auburn D in the bowl game. They’re not idiots.
I don’t disagree but I’m just trying to square what we saw against Oregon last year and ND running the ball vs Saturday Night.
At the risk of having to repeat this exchange for the umpteenth time, accuracy isn't throwing 2 or 3 fantastic passes a game. Allar can do that. Accuracy is hitting open receiver 95% of the time, which Allar can't do. Football is (and this was the core Joe Paterno principle) all about consistency. Excellence in football is consistency.
Put another way, those guys all would have been at or near the top of any OC search at the time and I’m not asking for the 94 Penn State O. I’m asking for functional adjustments and very basic expectations. Like completing a pass to a WR regularly like every other offense in America.
Again, if they don't run the route correctly he's not going to hit them perfectly. Again, if he's under pressure it's going to alter the accuracy
No QB it deadly accurate on 95% of their throws--no one at any level. Receivers have to make plays on balls that are slightly off--our's can't.
I'm failing to understand your failure to comprehend this.
This statement "accuracy is hitting the open receiver 95% of the time" is talking is about no one who has ever played the position yet that's your expectation.
Then again you said Moore was a freshman so clearly you don't follow the sport outside Penn State.
You talked about concern over his picks when he has less in his career than Nussmeier had last year (or maybe tied now). Cam Ward threw 23 in three years--Allar won't hit that. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Again, we can argue with the production and who is doing what whatever. AK is not a bad OC. Now the results are what they are but I’m seeing a trend here.
Franklin got to the 2 yard line less than a year ago and didn’t direct snap to his freak show tight end after doing so for 3 years because he wanted to prove he didn’t have to in order to score. The “how” is very important to him.
Lots of coaches move on from 5 star guys who aren’t all that good. That James never moved on from Clifford or Allar shows a lot of deference to loyalty, but as I said upthread, he’s a little like Dabo in that the “How” it’s important to him.
I disagree but that’s beside the point.
The gimmick stuff wasn’t part of MY offense much, nor Kirk. But alas, with all, we sit here wondering why in another big game there’s not ANYTHING achieved due quarters on end. That’s not just the gimmick stuff. It’s wholesale philosophy.
It's largely the gimmick stuff but also the philosophy. I don't disagree with that.
Trying to have Allar run zone read & read/pitch nonsense. Lineup and play football. Stop trying to outthink everyone.
And I'm content blaming Franklin--he did the same nonsense with Hack and Clifford but AK is calling the play. He should be fired the next time we see a zone read.
Let’s be clear I agree with you mostly.
At the end this is ALL on the HC. I mean, Will Stein, I bet you can’t tell me without looking where he even came from before he was OC at Oregon. I had to look it up. Was an assistant at Texas San Antonio. But much of his success is because he has had a qb (which falls on Franklin), and he expresses well the program philosophy of the head coach.
Stein was a top young coach--was at Texas and UTSA was very good his final season there--he was someone that was highly sough after.
For the record, he's someone I'd hire to replace Franklin--like Bryson Allen Williams (Georgia QC) or Ben Arbuckle (OU OC)--those are the types of guys I think teams should be hiring--young guys that are going to buy into NIL/Portal
And, yes, I watch way too much football lol
No such thing as too much football.
I don’t recall UTSA being in the SEC or Big 10, but somehow this guy understands X and O and moving the ball.
I also would bet $10 that if he had come to Penn State rather than Oregon, the offense would look more like the present Penn State offense than Oregon’s. Like you say, it’s clearly a lot of Franklin influence.
All true. But how much did they even try run Allen early. Franklin needed to make sure Nick got his participation trophy.
Drafting Allar high would be madness. He might be headed for SSanders or worse territory.
NFL 1st rounder who teams dare to throw the ball!?! Either the tag is inaccurate (I saw one report having him go first overall) or the WRs are worse than we can imagine (and they are very bad).
They aren't daring him to throw he ball because he sucks--see LSU with Nussmeier--they're daring them to throw the ball because of the lack of talent around them. When you can pressure the QB with a four man rush and WRs can't beat man there's not a QB alive that's going to do well.
I edited it as I'm being an *** because I'm annoyed at this point but people can't accept this isn't an Allar problem.
I know they are bad and Drew is an absolute bust. And Franklin is the architect of the entire mess.
So yes, I am fully capable of grasping that, Skippy.
Calling him a bust means you're not comprehending things so be confused when he's drafted.
