Yeah, it's absolutely amazing how obtuse these folks can be. It's a 'lead a horse to water, but they won't drink' sort of deal with their mentality.
I would say that's not how the majority of their fan base is, but I would be sorely mistaken.
Tennessee slapped with huge sexual assault lawsuit.
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I would say that's not how the majority of their fan base is, but I would be sorely mistaken.
Another example of running out of material. Let's say the same thing I've been saying for years, that'll show them.
But what you are missing is that instead of just allowing the investigation to go forward and the university and athletic dept staying out if it... they appear to be helping the accused at the expense of the victims. At least the two reports seem to be leading that way.
Obviously destroying evidence the day after acussing someone of rape is pure coincidence.
Run and hide as you may, the feds filed charges against UT. The feds don't sue just to have something to do. Better grow up and face facts, you have rough days ahead.
Here's what I'll do bud..... You show me proof that UT football player sexually assaulted a girl and the University of Tennessee is covering for the players and I will leave this board and never come back.
So you are telling me that that never happens all across America! Talk about head up the wazz, or looking the other way so your vol nation don't look bad and i'm not saying I know who is guilty or not and I never said anything like that. This has to be taken seriously by every university. It happens way to many times. I know that there is women who hat men for whatever reason and want to level false claims. So it is up to the courts to decide. GBB
Show me proof they didn't. Oh wait, the players said they didn't and UT said they didn't and the KNS said they didn't. End of story.
Sometimes it's best to do your homework before spouting off. Your beloved Kentucky Wildcats are also on that list.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/schools-investigation-sexual-assault_us_55b19b43e4b0074ba5a40b77
First off, college girls lose and get new phones all the time. They drunkenly dump them in toilets or drop them on the ground and get new ones like they are changing underwear. Also, I believe only two girls (one victim and one witness) got new cell phones during this period. This may be proof that they are hiding something or it may very well just be the fact that they are college girls who break their phones frequently.
Further, the girls do not have attorneys in the criminal trial. They are not represented by anyone. The State of Tennessee has attorneys, also known as prosecutors or attorney generals. They act in the interest of the State of Tennessee. They have not seen these text messages so they do not know if they are damning evidence or not. They are trying to bar these text messages (and other material) not because they might be damning evidence, but because it is a form of discovery that is tedious and takes a lot of time to obtain. They see this as a move by the defense attorneys to delay the trial and argue that the defense attorneys waited until the last minute to even bring up these social media/text message claims because they are merely trying to delay.
Further, the girls do not have attorneys in the criminal trial. They are not represented by anyone. The State of Tennessee has attorneys, also known as prosecutors or attorney generals. They act in the interest of the State of Tennessee. They have not seen these text messages so they do not know if they are damning evidence or not. They are trying to bar these text messages (and other material) not because they might be damning evidence, but because it is a form of discovery that is tedious and takes a lot of time to obtain. They see this as a move by the defense attorneys to delay the trial and argue that the defense attorneys waited until the last minute to even bring up these social media/text message claims because they are merely trying to delay.
I sure am glad for message boards. That way upstanding individuals named PowellVolz and lturnervols can give us the REAL story on this stuff. Where would we be without fanatic folks of sports teams to help lead us to the actual truth?
Yeah, 3 girls involved in a rape allegations lose their phones the day after filling charges. Seems perfectly logical to me. It also seems normal that the lawyers are fighting to keep the phone records from being used in court. Yeah can't find anything suspicious about that either.
Did you read the news article? It said that athletes were referred to course of action to best help them and also limiting the accusers options through the university. Also said that ut helped with lawyers and that it's known that if you get in trouble a lawyer is there for you.
All we are doing is trying to get people to be objective and not blanket the whole institution as some "cesspool" or "can't walk down the street without being assaulted" AS MANY ON here imply. That is simply not true. But the truth is that most of you on here want these things to be true, even if they may not be, and then be a hypocrite as to turn a blind at things that happen at UK . Again answer my questions from my previous posts. I'm pretty sure that you cannot answer them without implicating UK as well hence .. the silence.
I am not even sure you understand what you're talking about. Kyle Hixson, the AG, is not arguing to keep them out. He is arguing that this is a wild goose chase that the defense is using in order to delay the trial and to look for a mistrial. He doesn't know what is in the phone records. If he did, and if it hurt the state's case to such a degree that it proved innocence then he'd dismiss the case rather than going forward with it. However, he doesn't know what is in them. Why? Because it is a giant pain in the *** to get those records. So much so that there are separate lawsuits going on trying to actually get the social medial companies to release the records.
Also, again, it was 2 girls and not 3. Not to mention that only 1 of them pressed charges. So, it was 1 girl who got a new phone the day after pressing charges.
Need to let it all play out in court...
Don't need to condemn an entire institution for the actions of a few...
there are tens of thousands of students...i would venture to guess that not all of them are saints...if a finance major was involved in some criminal activity I don't think the business school would be slapped with a law suit and accused of creating some sort of perverse culture...
Rape is obviously a vile act...but I believe accusing someone of rape is just as horrendous...I have no doubt that there are plenty of turd athletes that feel they can treat women any way they want and feel entitled that they should be able to have any woman they want...
...but I also believe that there are women who consent and then wake up the next morning, sober up, and realize they've made a poor life decision, and then decide to point their finger and yell rape...
if the young lady had a boyfriend and didn't want to be exposed as a cheating harlot..."rape"...
maybe she comes from a family and background that looks down upon sleeping with guys before marriage..."rape"...
I have no idea about whats going on at UT...who's guilty or not...what evidence there is to support either side...
but i do know that the work had better be thorough and it had better be right...because what comes of this case is going to set a precedent...
Don't need to condemn an entire institution for the actions of a few...
there are tens of thousands of students...i would venture to guess that not all of them are saints...if a finance major was involved in some criminal activity I don't think the business school would be slapped with a law suit and accused of creating some sort of perverse culture...
Rape is obviously a vile act...but I believe accusing someone of rape is just as horrendous...I have no doubt that there are plenty of turd athletes that feel they can treat women any way they want and feel entitled that they should be able to have any woman they want...
...but I also believe that there are women who consent and then wake up the next morning, sober up, and realize they've made a poor life decision, and then decide to point their finger and yell rape...
if the young lady had a boyfriend and didn't want to be exposed as a cheating harlot..."rape"...
maybe she comes from a family and background that looks down upon sleeping with guys before marriage..."rape"...
I have no idea about whats going on at UT...who's guilty or not...what evidence there is to support either side...
but i do know that the work had better be thorough and it had better be right...because what comes of this case is going to set a precedent...
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But we're not talking about UK, UT had the charges brought against them yesterday don't you know. Better own it dude.
Silence? "cannot answer without implicating UK as well"? Are you using legal terms to describe message board posters? lol. What exactly are you talking about? What question? I'm sorry, I didn't know you directly asked me a question. I'm also sorry I haven't paid closer attention to all of your thoughtful posts, because you are clearly a human being of integrity that will not just jump to athletes defense cause you root for their team. What do you want to know? Does all the stuff that happens at UT also happen at UK? Umm, no, it doesn't. Has UK had some issues like most teams and handled them? Yes. Are those issues similar in severity and quantity to UT's? No. Happy?
Finally ... common sense !!! Thanks I was beginning to wander if there was anyone on here with an objective and common-sensical view.
I had better own what? That football players have been accused of rape but no one has been convicted? That the accusers conveniently lost evidence the very next day? That you throw out the gov is looking at UT but fail to notice UK is on that same list? What do you want me to own? That I believe in innocent until proven guilty? BTW, no charges were brought on to UT. They are not in a criminal suit.
I guess before you answer the questions you should go back and read what the questions were otherwise all you are doing is spouting off your disdain for UT b/c nothing like these things happen at UK. Yeah .. right (wink, wink ). If you want to answer my questions then take a little effort and go back top my posts .
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What are you still doing over here anyway?
I thought you were going to discuss your football majesty with your peers on their boards?
You know, Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. The teams you are collectively 1-25 against. With the one win being this past season when Nick Chubb blew his knee out early in the first quarter.
Oh, it didn't. Just reinforced you. I'll try to be more common-sensical about things.
What you should be doing is defending Bowles instead of justifying rape by others. Bowles is a hero, instead gets bounced off the team. There's a reason he tried to help the victim, you can bet he knew what happened.
BTW, UK's had nothing even approaching the seriousness of this event. Your attempt to deflect attention away from your mess falls flat.
Show me ANY justification for letting EIGHT players ganging up on ONE fatty and kicking him in the head while DOWN sending him to the hospital with a concussion, then doing the same to an off duty policeman with NO charges filed (ONE player suspended for the 52-0 laugher against Tennessee Martin) except they are our football players. Don't you think that might send a message that they can get away with almost anything, let alonee a he say she say rape charge, when the victim doesn't want all the publicity to start with in most cases.
THAT is the culture that leads to all the other problems at THUG U.
That, along with the partisan fanatic fans that come over here and TRY to defend the indefensible------and while this may not be the case in this rape case (don't know) all I know is a very promising football prospect was kicked out of UK because of a he say she say situation with a lot of other questions AFTER a grand jury refused to indict him. Sorry, but there is NO excuse for no charges, no lawsuits, no nothing after the two mob actions by THUG U football players at the "night club" where they got free admission. I still wonder why the OIC "forgot" to ask for the surveillance tapes that night and just why they were bad the next morning.
And the same TU fans were over here defending that horrendous event also.
Can't waste any more time right now, but would you TU fans like me to elaborate, I have heard any publicity is good publicity.
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Good Lord. Well, I went back to read your brilliant questions you so desire answers for and here we have it.
Chuck Hayes? Really? Swept under the rug? Seriously? That's what you've got? Educate yourself on the situation first.
Has this situation ever happened at UK? Umm, no. Accusations of gang rape and beating up someone who helps potential victims, etc.? No. Not a situation like this.
Have UK players been involved with accusations regarding females? Yes. We had a football player (one) that was accused and he was not prosecuted. He was kicked off the team after only being accused and although he was never charged, he was kicked out of school. Never played a down at UK. Your Chuck Hayes reference is just laughable and weak. So....does UK "foster" a culture of indifference and total disregard towards females? No. Answered. Happy now?
Players get into trouble. It happens. But the culture and mentality at UT has been a bit of "do whatever you want" and most look away and no one gets punished. That has been happening for years at Louisville and eventually, it will catch up to you.
Another answer.... Has UK ever been hit with a federal lawsuit from 6 different women, 5 of which are claiming to have been raped??? And a player who tried to take one to the hospital eventually gets beat up??
ANSWER = NO
Take your "this stuff happens at UK" BS somewhere else.
ANSWER = NO
Take your "this stuff happens at UK" BS somewhere else.
They are so desperate for wins, for relevancy in the SEC, there are literally no lines they will not cross.
The NCAA was gone for 5 minutes and it was cheating business as usual in Knoxville.
The administrators/coaches change but the cheating and absolute lack of morality culture is too ingrained in every fiber of UT and its supporters to ever change.
Just a disgusting school. Females on campus better keep their heads on a swivel.
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