Guys you are all right on all points so sorry that I took a position of "let's let the criminal system do its job' and "presumed innocent". AJ IS a rapist and all athletes that attend Thug university all deviants at best and criminals at worst and there has never been anything close to this at UK and never will b/c your athletes are saints beyond reproach. Forgive me for my defense of an athlete that possibly could be innocent but certainly have lost all his NFL dreams b/c of this terrible situation(even though there is a distinct possibility that he is innocent). My bad.
Tennessee slapped with huge sexual assault lawsuit.
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Vol fans can't help that they have very low IQs
Unfortunately college sports is just a reflection of the overall decline of American culture.
My brother was recruited by a lot of big-time colleges back in his day. Can remember Woody Hayes sitting on our couch. He has always been a huge football fan, both college and pro...season ticket holder to the Bengals, etc. Your comment...'getting harder for me to care..' sums it up for my brother. He's gotten to the point that he pays little to no attention to pro football because of all the off field activities and over the top celebrating, etc on the field. And he's quickly getting there with college too.
Bowles was quoted in the hearing that the alleged victim after he had picked her up from the party under oath said "the accuser did not tell him she had been raped and he was not assaulted by any of his teammates". So try harder next time buddy. Your attempt at trying to prove she was raped is failing hard.
I don't have to prove jack hot shot, the feds will do that nicely.
I dislike UT as much as any other UK fan, but one thing I read in the article linked by the OP was the fact that the women in the lawsuit were objecting to UT giving the players due process; i.e. the right to counsel in their hearing, cross-examine witnesses, etc.
I still resent the way UK railroaded Tubman in what was essentially a kangaroo court.
If the UT players are guilty they deserve a severe punishment, but they at least deserve a fair trial/hearing.
I still resent the way UK railroaded Tubman in what was essentially a kangaroo court.
If the UT players are guilty they deserve a severe punishment, but they at least deserve a fair trial/hearing.
Next thing you'll tell us is that Peyton Manning exposed himself to a trainer and UT had to pay 100s of thousands of dollars and then Peyton trashed her in a book and then had to pay 100s of thousands more and yet the UT punishment of two weeks extra running was tough and fair.
UT has always been a win only at football environment and thus kids like Jacque Smith can beat their girlfriends and not miss a play and kids like Tony McDaniel can sucker punch knockout other students on video and be fine.
Sad part is UT has been to Atlanta like once in forever so they are getting no bang on their corrupt buck.
This is correct. The girls are not suing UT over a rape or sexual misconduct by a football player. It's over title IX. When in fact the person who is accused of this doesn't get the opportunity to cross examine the accuser. The way Tennessee handles these hearings is the accuser goes in front of Jimmy Cheek and the board, the board then decides if enough evidence is presented to expel the student without hearing the other side. This happened to Von Pearson. He was accused of some sex crime, was kicked out of school and missed football practice/workouts and drug though the mud for 5 months. KPD did an investigation and turned it over to the DA. Then it comes out that none of this ever happened and was a lie. The accuser goes on without penalty but Von has this hanging over his head for ever.
The sad part is you can't even get your facts right.
Tony McDaniel was kicked out of school for hitting that kid and Smith didn't hit a woman, it was a altercation with a guy over his girlfriend.
After reading several of your posts I see it just the opposite. 'You're' the one that's the effen moron.
What shocks me the most about this post is you can read. Well..... Never mind.
I'm sorry I didn't realize who Smith beat up without missing a play - how about the first few times Janzon Jackson got in trouble, or when Da'rick Rogers and crew went wild at the club and beat up that security guard and yet missed no time? Like I said, UT has won the SEC East once in like 15 years so who cares? Y'all have parades after 8 and 9 win seasons these days and care more about tricked up uniforms and third down music - all style and no substance.
I'm sure you UK fans do not want to go down the "win at all costs" program logic -seeing that UK has been on NCAA probation for cheating how many times ? ( 4or 5) Am I wrong ? Answer me this ... how many times has UT been on probation by the NCAA for cheating or anything else ?
I have a couple things to add.
Thing 1) you can't prove a negative, so whoever said "prove they didn't rape someone" to the idiot Vol fan on page three (i think)... That's not a thing that can happen.
Thing the 2nd) what those girls did with their cell phones is called spoilation of evidence. Not something courts allow you to do. By destroying those phones, the defense is allowed to assume that they held damning information and could destroy their case.
http://civilprocedure.uslegal.com/discovery/spoliation-of-evidence/
Thing 1) you can't prove a negative, so whoever said "prove they didn't rape someone" to the idiot Vol fan on page three (i think)... That's not a thing that can happen.
Thing the 2nd) what those girls did with their cell phones is called spoilation of evidence. Not something courts allow you to do. By destroying those phones, the defense is allowed to assume that they held damning information and could destroy their case.
http://civilprocedure.uslegal.com/discovery/spoliation-of-evidence/
Man, you sure do want answers. I'll comply though...
Your question: How many times has UT been on probation by the NCAA for cheating or anything else?
Answer: For football, UT has been on probation 3 or 4 times between '86 and 2014. Most recently you self imposed a two year probation in 2010 I believe and the NCAA extended it another 2 years.
Again, not sure what you're point is. We're fully aware of UK's past run ins with rules. They broke some like most programs do and paid the price. I mean, football probation in the 60s-70s and the latest in the late 90s. Ok. Basketball? Haven't had any issues in 25+ years. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your nasty athletics culture and nasty fan base. Rape scandals, more violations just reported, Kiffin, Pearl, fans that don't want to charge players when they get robbed, lol? Video tapes disappearing. Cover ups. Athletes basically run the show in that town. Just another day at the office in Knoxville.
Maybe the word I should use is "sanctioned". UT has had some restrictions and been on probation (meaning that they could not do anything else without consequence) one or two times - the most memorable being the phone case some years back. Tennessee has never been ,as an institution, been in trouble with the NCAA compared to UK . My point was , in an earlier thread, someone said UT is a " win at all costs program". Truth is UK on several occasions have exhibited that attitude and to say otherwise is wrong. And let me say one last thing - as you allude to us in like - if dumping and tearing down UT adds meaning to your little life then have at it bud.
First off, you are citing a website that is discussing civil procedure. The case in question is a criminal case. It would fall under the rules of criminal procedure, which are entirely different.
Next, there is no proof, from what I read, that says the girl(s) destroyed the phones with the knowledge of an impending legal case. The victim gives no explanation as to what happened to her old phone. She simply activated a new one the day after the alleged rape. No one can say that she did destroy it. The witness says that her phone was acting up and so she deleted the content and sold the phone online. We also don't know when the witness knew of the criminal case against AJ, so she may have done this even before gaining knowledge that charges had bee filed.
Also, this evidence is not destroyed or spoiled. Much of the evidence can likely still be retained. Phone records, and text records are quite often obtained from the phone companies. In fact, they mostly get the text messages from the phone company rather than off the phones because that is more reliable than straight from a phone. Getting the information straight from the phone might also require the phone itself to be admitted into evidence, which would mean that the victim/witnesses would not be able to have access to their phones until the conclusion of the trial.
Again, the issue here is that it was very late in the process before defense counsel finally decided that they would file a motion asking the court to issue subpoenas in order to obtain not only phone and text message records, but also other social media records (such as snapchat). The defense asked for this just months before the trial was set to begin. The prosecution dislikes this because they consider this to be a delay of the case. If they were so important then they could have asked for those records right from the beginning, but instead, they waited until just a couple months before trial. Further, this process has delayed the case indefinitely because of the difficulty in obtaining this documents, especially the records for such social media sites as snapchat. It is so difficult that there are actually ongoing lawsuits against these companies trying to get them to release similar information. So, the prosecution most definitely sees this as a tactic by the defense team to delay the trial and buy their clients more time, and possibly more freedom.
Now you're changing the specific question you so desired an answer for? UT has been on probation more than 1 or 2 times, bud. It's at least 5 seasons, for football. Probation under Pearl as well for basketball? I answered your question. Football...'86-'87 (this was for 9 years of violations from '76-'85) '91-93, 2010-2014. So now you're claiming UT is clean compared to UK? UK has been in a ton more trouble? How so? Cause of basketball violations in the 50s and the latest in the late 80s?? Football 15 years ago? That's funny. Again, no recent issues for us.
Hell, you guys were on FB AND BB probation at the same time! Kiffin? Pearl? Then you dumbasses hired Tyndall, another gem with the NCAA. Didn't you guys send female students to umm go see a recruit in another state??? Then you have your football players running the whole town doing god knows what.
If bickering with UK fans on a UK message board and acting like a fool adds meaning to your little life, then have at it bud. That said, you can't really "have at it" though. Keep trashing UK on a UK message board and you won't last long. Bud.
This one has it bad lol.
The poster child for underachieving talks about not being in Atlanta. Woof, that's rich
I would imagine you're not allowed to destroy evidence in a criminal case. Just something I'm sure the American justice system doesn't want happening, regardless of reasoning from whoever destroyed it.
Whoa......easy there. The News-Sentinel hates UT? I have lived in Powell/Knoxville for 47 years. The News -Sentinel in no way digs deep enough on the dozens of scandals and violations that have occurred over the years
at UT. John Adams occasionally jabs a little bit at the Vols, but nothing in comparison to the way the Herald Leader
scrutinize the Kentucky athletics programs. Tennessee fans don't and won't care about this. All they care about is getting back to the glory days of 1997-2001......their "rightful place" among the elite of college football. Move along nothing to see here. Nothing will ever come of this on any level. Write it down.
At best we can say that this evidence is potentially useful. If it is only potentially useful then the defendants must show that the state (or in this case, the victim/witness) acted in bad faith when they failed to maintain the evidence. It has to be be intentional and not just merely reckless or negligent behavior.
So, yes, the American justice system does actually care about the reasoning of who destroyed the evidence.
Further, it is not destruction of evidence. The evidence is still available to the defense team and they can get to the evidence by other means. Therefore it was not actually destroyed. It is still there and obtainable!
UT has been on probation a few times from what all were considered secondary violations. UT has not ever been banned in any way from competing for championships and/or have titles/games revoked unlike UK. So yes UT has been punished by the ncaa but not like UK has in comparison. I'll leave you with a link about major ncaa cheaters.
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/03/sec_no_2_for_most_ncaa_infract.html
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/03/sec_no_2_for_most_ncaa_infract.html
I've seen Georgia in the SECC 5 times in the last 14 seasons - you've been twice in that span right? Beat you 11 of last 16 games right? Woof, it's facts kid. UT is on the poster now - we get upset after 9 win seasons while y'all make DVDs about them these days.
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Thanks for the link. The link from 2008. You've been on probation several times since 2008, for basketball and football.
Really, who does less with more than georgia???
Lol. Mizzou went twice to sec championship during all your underachieving
SEC Champs by uga how many times since Peyton's senior year?
Most talent in HS players in the south but continually choke....and losing top talent in state over and over and over
Lol.
This thread is turning into nothing more than a 3 way food fight over who sucks the worse and who has been in the most trouble. If anyone has anything of substance to add to the original topic feel free to post it otherwise I'm going to shut this thread down.
Does this fact change anything at all on the site. No. And this is not a list of schools "on probation" - this is a list of schools that have had major infractions such that they were banned from postseason, severe consequences, wins taken back, etc. hence the term "cheaters" UT has never had severe sanctions /probation from the ncaa like UK has
Oh, so now you weren't cheating when you were put on probation? Haha. The amount of stuff UT has gotten away with is enough for about 30 years of severe consequences and post season bans. Listen, UT has been cheating much more than UK in recent years, hell let's say the past 25 years. That's a fact. You're hanging your hat on some old old stuff at UK, bud.
Just stop cheating and covering stuff up down there in Knoxville. Also, tell your players to stop gang raping women and then beating up teammates. Doesn't look good! Not that you care though, bud.
lol. That's a fact huh?
I guess just typing it makes it so. I'll say this.......if you know of "facts"......why not take them to the ncaa?
also lol at "cheating much more that UK" Does that mean you believe UK is dirty? So you believe we are cheating but more than UK.....and it is ok to be a little pregnant??
Lots of people on the interwebz say that Cal and WWW is a cheating conspiracy. Dirty program.
So does just reading that make it so...or do you prefer proof?
smh.......You are buying the Big Gulp of Haterade
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