Tennessee vs. UNC

[dukehokie]

Agree but you need a pg or combo guard to lead the team when the going gets tough. So many PGS have willed their teams to wins in the tournament. It bothers me that teams can press duke and we don't exploit it. I'm now reminiscing of Jason Williams vs USC in the tournament just carving up their press by himself leading to layups and dunks.

That was a special era and player for sure.

But why have one player who can handle the pressure when you can have 3,4, or 5? One of my favorite coaches I ever played for once said "when you have the ball, you're the point guard."

The Warriors play with this mentality as do quite a few NBA teams. Basketball in general is progressing to this.

 

[Get Nasty]

That was a special era and player for sure.

But why have one player who can handle the pressure when you can have 3,4, or 5? One of my favorite coaches I ever played for once said "when you have the ball, you're the point guard."

The Warriors play with this mentality as do quite a few NBA teams. Basketball in general is progressing to this.

Agree but today's game has more able ball handlers 1-4. Tatum and Giles will help here big time.

 

[2 skerz 3_rivals208847]

"UNC is the best team in the country"
-- Jay Bilas less than 2 weeks ago

Yet, some people still insist he doesn't troll Duke fans. Will always respect Jay for his time here as a player, but everything after that =

 

[skysdad]

Yeah they think he's a Duke troll. They better hope he's a troll and not one of theirs. He is funny though. Tombstone time. R.I.P. OFC

The guy even got a couple of likes from rosehill and butterbutt. OFC

 

[dukehokie]

Agree but today's game has more able ball handlers 1-4. Tatum and Giles will help here big time.

And Amile has been a nice help on the press for about three years now.

 

[pisgah101]

="Buzzooka Joe, post: 11146841, member: 848"]"UNC is the best team in the country"
-- Jay Bilas less than 2 weeks ago

That was 2 weeks ago and at the time they were playing like the best team in the country. Things change quickly. It's a long season that is just getting underway. I hope the heels have a horrible season and don't even get invited to the NIT but not counting on it. Gonna be some kind of season and I'm trying to figure out which 3 other teams are going to the final four besides Duke. OFC[/QUOTE]

They were never playing like the best team in the country.. maybe in an extremely down year like last yr but not now not even close

 

[carolinablue34]

Wow. I watched the entire game. UNC is no way in HELL anything CLOSE to a top 5 team. That was weak sauce.

Yes we are. That game was not an indicator of just how good we can be. Believe what you want but don't write us off.

If we beat you this year, make no mistake I'll make you own it. If we lose twice, I'll own it as well.

 

[DukeDenver]

Yes we are. That game was not an indicator of just how good we can be. Believe what you want but don't write us off.

If we beat you this year, make no mistake I'll make you own it. If we lose twice, I'll own it as well.

Ya'll are pretty good, but Duke is going to take the series this year. We match up well against ya'll this year.

 

[Dukesince90]

So

Yes we are. That game was not an indicator of just how good we can be. Believe what you want but don't write us off.

If we beat you this year, make no mistake I'll make you own it. If we lose twice, I'll own it as well.

Are you saying UNC is a lot better than last year's team? I don't think you have any post player even close to playing like Brice did last year. Berry is playing great this year, but the rest of them seem like the players they were last season. Jackson just hasn't showed me that he can be consistent. Duke is a helluva lot better than last year's team. We shall see how this plays out. I think UNC finishes 4th in the ACC this year.

 

[Duke-23]

From what I've seen, I honestly think we sweep y'all and win by double digits.if y'all are able to squeak one out I'll be very surprised.I hope we play y'all 4 times this year... lol

 

[Duke-23]

I used a pen anybody else? Lol

 

[Dukesince90]

I messed up on my previous poast. Y'all have a great chance of sweeping us this year. I forgot about your ace in the hole....... BIG LUKE MAYE!

 

[Showenuff]

You'll make me own it ? You MAKE me laugh.

 

[Duke-23]

Maybe next year when y'all get big Manley! ...y'all will have a chance..We may be in trouble ..what a steal.

 

[Duke-23]

I'll tell you this friggin much a guy that's 6'11 255 that can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time is a top 100 guy! One that can walk and blow double bubbles at the same time is a top 50 guy Everytime!!I Manley is already blowing double bubbles!!tell u guys what I think we've got ourselves a steal! Wendell carter may be in some bubble trouble I tell ya! Idk where his ranking will be come time but I'm willing to bet the ranch with some blue cheese and buffalo wings they will rocket!Big Luke mayne way very well find himself a seat on the bench chewing bubble gum! I tell ya!! Man this bubbalious is goud!Ahah ahah wth

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

Yes we are. That game was not an indicator of just how good we can be. Believe what you want but don't write us off.

If we beat you this year, make no mistake I'll make you own it. If we lose twice, I'll own it as well.

So, if Duke loses once, you will make @Showenuff "own it." But you will only "own it" if UNC loses twice?

Seems like you've already set the bar for this season...

 

[Testkid]

Yes we are. That game was not an indicator of just how good we can be. Believe what you want but don't write us off.

If we beat you this year, make no mistake I'll make you own it. If we lose twice, I'll own it as well.

Nova kansas uk duke ucla Indiana and Baylor are all better than unc . Top 10 yes but not top 5

 

[twdukefan]

So, if Duke loses once, you will make @Showenuff "own it." But you will only "own it" if UNC loses twice?

Seems like you've already set the bar for this season...

Talk about shifting goalposts right?

 

[Duke-23]

Nova kansas uk duke ucla Indiana and Baylor are all better than unc . Top 10 yes but not top 5

..shoooot gonzaga uva Louisville creighton smu
Xavier..armt far behind if any lol

 

[dukiejay]

Yes we are. That game was not an indicator of just how good we can be. Believe what you want but don't write us off.

If we beat you this year, make no mistake I'll make you own it. If we lose twice, I'll own it as well.

I think you're a fringe top five team. I also think you'll have a shot to beat us this year.

That said, what's the deal on Hicks? He's the guy I thought would step up and turn into something this season. He's become nothing more than a very marginal player. Meeks, IMO, just is what he is.

You have two really dynamic players for the college level in Jackson and Berry. If one of them plays an even average game against a top 20 team you're in for a dog fight, at best. It's not much different than us last year with Grayson and Brandon. We needed them to be good just about every night because the margin for error without their production was minute. Save the first game of the NCAAT, every one after that will be a battle. Can Jackson and Berry both be really good for three, four or even five straight games? It's not going to be easy.

 

[Showenuff]

Exactly DJ.

 

[HuffyJB]

I think you're a fringe top five team. I also think you'll have a shot to beat us this year.

That said, what's the deal on Hicks? He's the guy I thought would step up and turn into something this season. He's become nothing more than a very marginal player. Meeks, IMO, just is what he is.

You have two really dynamic players for the college level in Jackson and Berry. If one of them plays an even average game against a top 20 team you're in for a dog fight, at best. It's not much different than us last year with Grayson and Brandon. We needed them to be good just about every night because the margin for error without their production was minute. Save the first game of the NCAAT, every one after that will be a battle. Can Jackson and Berry both be really good for three, four or even five straight games? It's not going to be easy.

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, as far as the comparison between Duke last year and UNC this year. I think that is a great point. Berry and Jackson are terrific, but after that it is a big question mark on a nightly basis. I think they were expecting a jump from Meeks that was just never going to happen.

 

[dukephysics]

UNC just lost to a team with RPI of 44 (Davidson) and barely beat a team at 133 (Tenn). I don't think "fringe top 50" is too much of a stretch without Berry. With Berry, they are a different team.
About their bigs - a guy there posted he think Hicks AND Meeks are both better than Amile. Others agreed.

 

[LetsGoDukies]

UNC beat Davidson

 

[HuffyJB]

UNC just lost to a team with RPI of 44 (Davidson) and barely beat a team at 133 (Tenn). I don't think "fringe top 50" is too much of a stretch without Berry. With Berry, they are a different team.
About their bigs - a guy there posted he think Hicks AND Meeks are both better than Amile. Others agreed.

UNC beat Davidson, it was just closer than they anticipated ( a single digit game). They'll be fine when Berry returns, I just think the "one of the teams to beat" conversation was premature.

 

[dukephysics]

Yeah sorry - misspoke.

 

[dukedevilz]

If I were Roy, I would ditch the 'okay players that need time to improve marginally' program in favor of playing your best guys. Once Pinson and Berry come back, they really only need to play 7 guys. 4 guards in Berry, Williams, Pinson, and Jackson. 3 bigs in Bradley, Meeks, and Hicks. That is a very, very solid 7-man rotation. No one else needs anything other than mop-up minutes - especially Nate Britt and Luke Maye. Fortunately Roy is Roy and I trust that Nate and Luke will still be seeing around 15 minutes a game come ACC season.

 

[SoCal Dukie]

Berry or no Berry, UK wins by 10-15. As stated above, if Berry or JJ are off, it'll be worse.

 

[twdukefan]

If I were Roy, I would ditch the 'okay players that need time to improve marginally' program in favor of playing your best guys. Once Pinson and Berry come back, they really only need to play 7 guys. 4 guards in Berry, Williams, Pinson, and Jackson. 3 bigs in Bradley, Meeks, and Hicks. That is a very, very solid 7-man rotation. No one else needs anything other than mop-up minutes - especially Nate Britt and Luke Maye. Fortunately Roy is Roy and I trust that Nate and Luke will still be seeing around 15 minutes a game come ACC season.

You just said it: Roy is Roy

 

[HuffyJB]

If I were Roy, I would ditch the 'okay players that need time to improve marginally' program in favor of playing your best guys. Once Pinson and Berry come back, they really only need to play 7 guys. 4 guards in Berry, Williams, Pinson, and Jackson. 3 bigs in Bradley, Meeks, and Hicks. That is a very, very solid 7-man rotation. No one else needs anything other than mop-up minutes - especially Nate Britt and Luke Maye. Fortunately Roy is Roy and I trust that Nate and Luke will still be seeing around 15 minutes a game come ACC season.

Agree completely, but as a Duke fan I hope he sticks to his usual strategy.

 

[dukiejay]

Berry or no Berry, UK wins by 10-15. As stated above, if Berry or JJ are off, it'll be worse.

I actually think UNC wins a close game if they have Berry playing. Without him, then I think it's probably a 10-15 point loss. With Berry in the lineup I like UNC's talent and experience more than UK's talent.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, as far as the comparison between Duke last year and UNC this year. I think that is a great point. Berry and Jackson are terrific, but after that it is a big question mark on a nightly basis. I think they were expecting a jump from Meeks that was just never going to happen.

They've been expecting Meeks to jump for 4 years now!

 

[twdukefan]

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, as far as the comparison between Duke last year and UNC this year. I think that is a great point. Berry and Jackson are terrific, but after that it is a big question mark on a nightly basis. I think they were expecting a jump from Meeks that was just never going to happen.

Haha, literally and figuratively, amiright?

 

[Butterbutt44]

If I were Roy, I would ditch the 'okay players that need time to improve marginally' program in favor of playing your best guys. Once Pinson and Berry come back, they really only need to play 7 guys. 4 guards in Berry, Williams, Pinson, and Jackson. 3 bigs in Bradley, Meeks, and Hicks. That is a very, very solid 7-man rotation. No one else needs anything other than mop-up minutes - especially Nate Britt and Luke Maye. Fortunately Roy is Roy and I trust that Nate and Luke will still be seeing around 15 minutes a game come ACC season.

Great post and basically what Ive been trying to get across on THR with little success. This isnt a UNC team that is 10 deep with talent, but our top 7-8 is up there with anyone.( If Pinson comes back fully healthy) THis is a year roy HAS to trim the rotation down.. and play the best guys. If Luke And Britt are still getting big minutes deep into ACC play something has gone terribly wrong or Roy has had a stroke.

 

[timo0402]

I think this is pretty simple. With Berry, JJ and Pinson they're a top 10 team. The roles have reversed from last year with Duke and UNC- they have zero room for error and we got a lot. Don't over think this thing. IF Roy continues to shoehorn 9-10 guys in a night, that even further reduces their margin for error and I hope he keeps it up.

 

[carolinablue34]

So, if Duke loses once, you will make @Showenuff "own it." But you will only "own it" if UNC loses twice?

Seems like you've already set the bar for this season...

I'll own it if we lose once or both times. Make no mistake

@Showenuff the fact that you think you can beat us so easily makes me laugh. Comedy goes both ways

 

[carolinablue34]

So

Are you saying UNC is a lot better than last year's team? I don't think you have any post player even close to playing like Brice did last year. Berry is playing great this year, but the rest of them seem like the players they were last season. Jackson just hasn't showed me that he can be consistent. Duke is a helluva lot better than last year's team. We shall see how this plays out. I think UNC finishes 4th in the ACC this year.

I'm not saying we're better than last year's team. But I think we can make Final Four run and are capable of beating any team on any given day. A lot depends on Berry and Jackson.

 

[carolinablue34]

I think you're a fringe top five team. I also think you'll have a shot to beat us this year.

That said, what's the deal on Hicks? He's the guy I thought would step up and turn into something this season. He's become nothing more than a very marginal player. Meeks, IMO, just is what he is.

You have two really dynamic players for the college level in Jackson and Berry. If one of them plays an even average game against a top 20 team you're in for a dog fight, at best. It's not much different than us last year with Grayson and Brandon. We needed them to be good just about every night because the margin for error without their production was minute. Save the first game of the NCAAT, every one after that will be a battle. Can Jackson and Berry both be really good for three, four or even five straight games? It's not going to be easy.

I think with Hicks and Meeks, with Berry being gone it's been harder for them to get good looks in the post. I agree that Meeks is what he is, but Hicks has a higher ceiling and I've seen what he can do when his game is on. He's very dangerous. I think the problem is, that without a good PG Roy has a harder time putting together a good lineup. We've seen that time and again. Britt is a capable backup, but it's not a coincidence that our play has dropped off when he takes the point.

However, I do agree whole heartedly that we have a significantly less of a margin for error than you. We have 7 maybe 8 capable players, while Duke has around 9-10, including 3 of the top freshman in the country. If we are to beat you, every single aspect of our game has to be on lock.

I remember after we beat Wisconsin rather handily, I was cautiously optimistic and confident that a more team orientated style play, instead of relying on Marcus and Brice was the right way to go, but I wasn't convinced we were top 3 just yet. After the last 2 games, my caution proved wise. The good news is (for UNC anyway) it's still early in the season and there's plenty of time to make adjustments before ACC play.

 

[dukehokie]

I'm not saying we're better than last year's team. But I think we can make Final Four run and are capable of beating any team on any given day. A lot depends on Berry and Jackson.

Methinks Brice Johnson a lot better and more important than we gave him credit for last season, and we gave him a lot of credit over here.

 

[carolinablue34]

Methinks Brice Johnson a lot better and more important than we gave him credit for last season, and we gave him a lot of credit over here.

Oh yeah, Brice and Marcus are two losses you don't just replace the next year. They were integral to our team. That being said, I still think we are fully capable of a tourney run with our current top 8.