Terry Smith, JF, recruiting and this team going forward.

psuslu

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
 

DaytonRickster

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
Great post except Rhule. Hard NO!
 

Auxgym

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
Well …. As soon as Coach Smith felt the need to say “we’re going to shock the world” I wasn’t impressed with his desire to get all the talking done before the game even started. Meanwhile, the program has set back the execution of a forward pass some 60 years, which is even more embarrassing when you consider Smith was a receiver at PSU. It would be refreshing to have a QB that doesn’t think the most effective passing play is to pull the ball down and try to run with it.
 

PSUwolf

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What about Will Stein? Has he dropped off the radar?
His name pops up every once in a while but I kind of view him the same as Hartline - no major HC experience. Running a major program is a whole different animal than a coordinator on one side of the ball or a position group and yes I know about Dabo, Smart and Day. But for those three there are dozens that haven't succeeded bigtime.
 

Nitt1300

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Nittering Nabob

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
Welcome to the board psuslu. (y) 😉
 

psu0408

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Often in the Franklin era, it’s a handful of elite players that mask the glaring deficiencies in personnel and scheme. McSorley, Barkley, Dotson, Hamler, Parsons, Chop, Fashanu, Warren, Abdul.

This year, there are no elite guys to lean on. Lost Warren and Abdul, and everything imploded. Kaytron and Wheatley have been the two best players on this team.

With the last 3 recruiting classes in the mid to late teens, and Franklin’s reluctance to use the portal, things were trending towards 8-4/9-3 as opposed to the 10-2 status quo.
 

LMTLION

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Often in the Franklin era, it’s a handful of elite players that mask the glaring deficiencies in personnel and scheme. McSorley, Barkley, Dotson, Hamler, Parsons, Chop, Fashanu, Warren, Abdul.

This year, there are no elite guys to lean on. Lost Warren and Abdul, and everything imploded. Kaytron and Wheatley have been the two best players on this team.

With the last 3 recruiting classes in the mid to late teens, and Franklin’s reluctance to use the portal, things were trending towards 8-4/9-3 as opposed to the 10-2 status quo.
Good post and most agree but before the injury Rojas was the mvp on defense and perhaps the entire team. Without him, we are getting utterly gashed.
 

KingLando

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I travel the CF boards and Rhule's name keeps popping up the most......but who really knows. Another one is Matt Campbell.
Yes, but him name is constantly mentioned because "he's a Penn State guy" not that he fits what we stated we're looking for
 
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tml132

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
 

rudedude

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The problem on offense is the passing game is horrific. AK has no ability to scheme guys open and it looks like three guys are always in the same zone on a pass play. Some folks say the WRs suck, how is it then that when guys leave here they do a lot better and when the current three come here, their stats drop off a cliff? Hmmmm
 

Bvillebaron

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
If you want Rhule you are delusional. Franklin lite. If you want someone from the Paterno staffs, go for the whole enchilada and see if Jay could be talked out of retirement.
 

Bvillebaron

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Well …. As soon as Coach Smith felt the need to say “we’re going to shock the world” I wasn’t impressed with his desire to get all the talking done before the game even started. Meanwhile, the program has set back the execution of a forward pass some 60 years, which is even more embarrassing when you consider Smith was a receiver at PSU. It would be refreshing to have a QB that doesn’t think the most effective passing play is to pull the ball down and try to run with it.
Yeah the Iowa game confirmed that Franklin wasn’t meddling with Kotelnicki’s gimmicky play calling.
 

Blair10

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I travel the CF boards and Rhule's name keeps popping up the most......but who really knows. Another one is Matt Campbell.

Ever hear of the phrase “the usual suspects”? Well, whenever there is a coach vacancy, Rhule and Campbell are listed by default. They are listed even when they may have no shot.
 

JoeLion

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To your point CJF can recruit but he is not good at building a roster. Every year there are position deficiencies. The elite programs like osu typically have enough depth to just reload.
 
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TheWizardofCamelot

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Rhule sucks as both a recruiter and an Xs & Os - hard pass. You watch Neb v Minny the other night? 6 points? No thanks. We need an offense-first guy in today's modern college football.

Not to mention they need to put a spectacular product on the field when the finished stadium rolls out.
 

PSUSignore

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Yeah the Iowa game confirmed that Franklin wasn’t meddling with Kotelnicki’s gimmicky play calling.
As has been said here many times and by Franklin himself, but the Franklin haters believed what they wanted to believe.
 

wptlion

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
All of this tells you just how good Warren and Carter were last year. They hid so much of the issues with this team. There is no one currently on this team close to them talent wise.
 

lemonears

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Ever hear of the phrase “the usual suspects”? Well, whenever there is a coach vacancy, Rhule and Campbell are listed by default. They are listed even when they may have no shot.
I really hate to mention this but someone not mentioned yet who may be a candidate is our friend Narduzzi. He seems to be a really good game day coach and seems adept at developing his 2-Star dandies to play above their talent level. He can't recruit at pitt because it is pitt - no fan base, a rented stadium, campus in a ghetto, etc. He might be able to recruit at Penn State. Is Narduzzi a possibility?
 

VaDave4PSU

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There isn't currently a home run hire that exists. Every coach has some issues, even a Kirby Smart (can't beat Bama).

Kiffin - loses against all the top 5 type of teams.

Lanning - hasn't beat a great team yet.

Saban - he quit for a reason. He never won until he was buying Unc a car and handing out cash.

Meyer - are we going to give him better resources than OSU? Because he only won a single title there. Also, hasn't meaningfully coached in 7-8 years.

We're gonna have to take a chance on somebody or severely overpay to get anybody currently in a gig. Cignetti has done gotten 2 raises, 1 courtesy of the Franklin firing. Whoever it is, Kraft has hinged his career on them.

I left off Rhule, Campbell, and Drink. I don't think you risk your AD career for them.
 

Texas Lion

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There isn't currently a home run hire that exists. Every coach has some issues, even a Kirby Smart (can't beat Bama).

Kiffin - loses against all the top 5 type of teams.

Lanning - hasn't beat a great team yet.

Saban - he quit for a reason. He never won until he was buying Unc a car and handing out cash.

Meyer - are we going to give him better resources than OSU? Because he only won a single title there. Also, hasn't meaningfully coached in 7-8 years.

We're gonna have to take a chance on somebody or severely overpay to get anybody currently in a gig. Cignetti has done gotten 2 raises, 1 courtesy of the Franklin firing. Whoever it is, Kraft has hinged his career on them.

I left off Rhule, Campbell, and Drink. I don't think you risk your AD career for them.
Very good point on the last call. That is why it makes me think he already has someone that has agreed. Do you really stake your life as an AD to making this kind of change and then running a regular national search?
 
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ApexLion

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I really hate to mention this but someone not mentioned yet who may be a candidate is our friend Narduzzi. He seems to be a really good game day coach and seems adept at developing his 2-Star dandies to play above their talent level. He can't recruit at pitt because it is pitt - no fan base, a rented stadium, campus in a ghetto, etc. He might be able to recruit at Penn State. Is Narduzzi a possibility?
He's a frothing at the mouth 100 percent genuine azzholio but he's our frothing at the mouth 100 percent genuine azzholio!
 

ApexLion

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Very good point on the last call. That is why it makes me think he already has someone that has agreed. Do you really stake your life as an AD to making this kind of change and then running a regular national search?
I think its Rhule. That's why he did it then and knew it would happen at the end of the year.
 
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Schoolie

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I don't post much but have followed since Scott & Tom started the "Plotit Board". I am a Paternophile as he was scapegoated, but topic for another day.

Terry Smith was great last night. Enthusiasm was great to see; he gave us more of Kaytron, going for it on 4th down multiple times, and we got to finally see Koby Howard make a catch in the middle of the field. Coach Smith has been left in a "difficult" position as there is a severe lack of talent at multiple positions and a coaching staff that has not performed well. While I have great respect for coach Franklin (and for that matter coach O'Brien) for coming to PSU and shepherding us back from the dark times that followed the "Sandusky affair" it is hard to imagine how we got to this point. While I do not mean for this post to be overly critical of coach Franklin or anyone in particular, it would be impossible to move forward not knowing how we got to this point.

1. Coach Franklin's loyalty to players was both admirable and dissatisfying ultimately leading to his dismissal.
Too many players put in positions to fail. They were either not able to handle the physicality or the athleticism at this level.

2. The "myth" that he was a great recruiter is just that a myth. DL, OL & LB recruiting has been abysmal.
Speed while desirable is not the only attribute needed to play Division 1 football.
Dan Conner, Paul P and Sean L are perfect examples of football speed.
For far too long multiple positions were either under recruited or there were too many "misses".
DB recruiting is the only position which was recruited "great" and some of the credit must go to Terry Smith.

In game coaching has left most of us stymied at times. Game management, time management, Assistant coaches & positional situations have lacked a clear understanding of the game. Coach Franklin's refusal to change or adapt to game situations was a major downfall and certainly accelerated Pat Kraft's decision to dismiss Coach Franklin. With this said, I/We owe a debt of gratitude to coach as he has been a substantial steward of PSU.
The question of whether PSU should be an institution that goes "all in" for athletics (Football) or not is germane to coach Franklins dismissal as at the end of the day he is paid to win football games. The argument is that he did win football games at a prodigious rate and while this is true, PSU is and IMHO always will be a program that reaches for the highest goals. To this end Coach Franklin was being paid among all the top coaches in CFB and as such his goal should be championships. Playing in the "big" games and winning the "big" games.

Moving forward, as much as coach Smith deserves a chance to be a HC he is more valuable as DB/Associate HC and certainly deserves to stay on as does coach Pointdexter, Howle and Conner. Whether they do will be up to the next HC but should be given serious consideration. Kotelnicki should be fired immediately. His offense is amateurish at best and incompetent at worst. He sometimes calls the wrong play "all" of the time. It is amazing how proficient he has become at it. Knowles problem is he does not have the horses to run the defensive scheme he wants. He should however match his scheme to his players which is not happening. Barnes & Trautwein have not done anything to improve either DL or OL. We have recruited 4- & 5-star players and very few have panned out or at least improved. Where the hell is Birchmier, Cousins, Williams.? Our OL has not been able to move anyone of the ball. Kaytron does much of the heavy lifting himself. Where are the young LB's? Where are the young WR's?

We all have heard " Allar is no good", our WR's don't get open or run bad routes, Singleton is indecisive, our OL can't block well and our LB's are undersized or can't play at this level & our OC and DC are the worst in CFB. Some of this or maybe all is true and this all falls on the HC. We need an X's & O's coach. Many folks insist because we do not spend as much money as some programs that we can't win or are disadvantage to those programs to. I don't believe this but with better coaching we could have beaten Oregon both years. How many times have we been in a position to beat OSU over the last 10 years and blew it. We should have beaten ND last year if not for bad decisions at the end. We need a coach who knows the game of football not the game of recruiting. You can't be a great recruiter and a bad game day coach but if you are a great game day coach recruits will follow. Now let's get the best coach out there. I will take any of Matt Rhule, Elko, Key & Sumrail to be PSU's next HC
no on Rhule. otherwise, very good post.
 

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I really hate to mention this but someone not mentioned yet who may be a candidate is our friend Narduzzi. He seems to be a really good game day coach and seems adept at developing his 2-Star dandies to play above their talent level. He can't recruit at pitt because it is pitt - no fan base, a rented stadium, campus in a ghetto, etc. He might be able to recruit at Penn State. Is Narduzzi a possibility?
Nooooooooo....!!!!!!!
 

Lion84

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I really hate to mention this but someone not mentioned yet who may be a candidate is our friend Narduzzi. He seems to be a really good game day coach and seems adept at developing his 2-Star dandies to play above their talent level. He can't recruit at pitt because it is pitt - no fan base, a rented stadium, campus in a ghetto, etc. He might be able to recruit at Penn State. Is Narduzzi a possibility?
You picked a bad day to start sniffing glue ;)
 
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Mufasa94

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Yeah the Iowa game confirmed that Franklin wasn’t meddling with Kotelnicki’s gimmicky play calling.
What does it matter? AK was Franklin’s choice and hire. Plus, Franklin was the one individual who had the authority to overrule any and all play calls.

It doesn’t absolve him.
 
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bwc

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Yeah the Iowa game confirmed that Franklin wasn’t meddling with Kotelnicki’s gimmicky play calling.

I want to agree, but I also want to disagree. We saw more out routes, we saw more throws and runs to the field side. We saw more shovel passes, we saw less jet sweeps. We even ran an in route with a WR. We saw more Allen and less Singleton. We did however, continue to see some stupid calls at the worst times. I don't know whether or not Franklin inserted himself into the play calling before, but the offense looked different to me. Maybe that's because they tailored it to Grunkmeyer instead of Allar.
 
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KingLando

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As has been said here many times and by Franklin himself, but the Franklin haters believed what they wanted to believe.
I've always said Franklin was responsible because he hired him. If he wasn't meddling he should have.
 

KingLando

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Very good point on the last call. That is why it makes me think he already has someone that has agreed. Do you really stake your life as an AD to making this kind of change and then running a regular national search?
You should. Not doing a national search would be idiotic.
 

PSU4U

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That's not true. Stop
It is absolutely true.

There are no assistant coaches on the short list which are all HC's. Even Brohm and Mullen are climbing the list ahead of any assistants. All the hot names have one thing in common they have eastern ties at one time or another. Did Kraft lie when he stated what he wanted in the next HC. He will exhaust all HC's on his list before any assistant gets consideration.