Thank you, Oliver $$$ Luck!!!!

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You have completely changed your argument. These were your own words, so enjoy being hung by them: "Commissioners are puppets
They have zero power. They only do what the presidents/Chancellors want.
As we saw in the B1G." If Commissioners had ZERO POWER, then they'd be impotent (like you) to convince anybody to do anything. You must have been the President of the Debate Club at Marshall because you really suck at this.

He did have zero power according to you

Why he had to lobby the presidents according to you
 

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Like I said...
Oliver Luck lived in Houston/Texas for most of 25 years. Except for his time in Europe.
During this time he actually attended Law School at the University of Texas.

Luck had already established connections to a few Big 12 universities.

Actually some schools wanted Louisville. Even Oklahoma
The push for Louisville was by U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell contacting Oklahoma University President David Boren (who before getting OU position served in U.S. Senate with McConnell) and asking for help for Louisville.
 

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He did have zero power according to you

Why he had to lobby the presidents according to you
You don't understand power because you've never had any. That's why you post by yourself on a message board at 3:00 a.m. The power to influence others to do what you want them to do is enormous power. The B1G Presidents had the power to vote; the new woke B1G Commissioner had the power to influence their votes. All had some power. Class dismissed.
 
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You don't understand power because you've never had any. That's why you post by yourself on a message board at 3:00 a.m. The power to influence others to do what you want them to do is enormous power. The B1G Presidents had the power to vote; the new woke B1G Commissioner had the power to influence their votes. All had some power. Class dismissed.

That is personal power

Not power with the job

Think....
We were talking about power with the job.
You are talking about the power of an individual
 

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That is personal power

Not power with the job

Think....
We were talking about power with the job.
You are talking about the power of an individual
You've now changed your argument three times. The new woke B1G Commissioner, who should be your idol, had plenty of power. He convinced other people to cancel a college football season at an enormous cost to the institutions that voted they way in which he wanted. That's some serious power right there.
 
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You've now changed your argument three times. The new woke B1G Commissioner, who should be your idol, had plenty of power. He convinced other people to cancel a college football season at an enormous cost to the institutions that voted they way in which he wanted. That's some serious power right there.

Once again....

I am talking about the power with the job

Not how well one does the job
 
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You continue to prove how stupid you are ..

If the guy has to lobby he doesn't process the power through his job.
Plus him trying to shut down the season isn't even proven.

If you are upset that the season was postponed...

Wasn't the commissioner. It was the medical community truthfully.

They told the presidents that it was a bad idea.
This is proven.
Even the presidents repeated this.

The power was with the presidents and not the commissioner
 

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No ONE individual, including ONE President, has the power to make decisions for an entire conference. The woke B1G Commissioner used his influence to get what he wanted, and his POWER is undeniable by anybody with an IQ above 80.
 
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No ONE individual, including ONE President, has the power to make decisions for an entire conference. The woke B1G Commissioner used his influence to get what he wanted, and his POWER is undeniable by anybody with an IQ above 80.

Once again the power doesn't come with the job...

The attacks on Kevin Warren are ridiculous because he can only do what the presidents want.

You blaming and hating Kevin Warren is from people on message boards who have no clue how things work.
This idea that Kevin Warren forced the postponement of the season isn't proven


What is proven is the university presidents decided not to have a season because the medical community at their respected universities were against it.
 

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Once again the power doesn't come with the job...

The attacks on Kevin Warren are ridiculous because he can only do what the presidents want.

You blaming and hating Kevin Warren is from people on message boards who have no clue how things work.
This idea that Kevin Warren forced the postponement of the season isn't proven


What is proven is the university presidents decided not to have a season because the medical community at their respected universities were against it.
That didn't take long: You're spinning like a top to defend your fellow Marxist. Warren proved that he had power when he influenced a majority of the B1G Presidents to vote cancel the season, even against their own best interests. Nobody thought that was a good decision, and you even made fun of it before. It's hilarious to watch you spin like a top. Cut your losses, and go away until you can be alone on here at 3:00 a.m.
 
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That didn't take long: You're spinning like a top to defend your fellow Marxist. Warren proved that he had power when he influenced a majority of the B1G Presidents to vote cancel the season, even against their own best interests. Nobody thought that was a good decision, and you even made fun of it before. It's hilarious to watch you spin like a top. Cut your losses, and go away until you can be alone on here at 3:00 a.m.


But once again....

The power doesn't come with the job

The power you are speaking about comes from the individual.

More than that you are proving my point.
You don't see it. This is how disconnected from common sense you are.
 

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But once again....

The power doesn't come with the job

The power you are speaking about comes from the individual.

More than that you are proving my point.
You don't see it. This is how disconnected from common sense you are.
The babbling knuckle-dragger above continues to dig his heels in and make no sense whatsoever. He stupidly posted that the B1G Commissioner didn't have any power, then admitted that Kevin Warren, who is the B1G Commissioner, does have power, but only "personally." As if this drooling imbecile knows anything about Warren's home life. Somebody save this moron from himself, as he's barely breathing through his mouth.
 
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The babbling knuckle-dragger above continues to dig his heels in and make no sense whatsoever. He stupidly posted that the B1G Commissioner didn't have any power, then admitted that Kevin Warren, who is the B1G Commissioner, does have power, but only "personally." As if this drooling imbecile knows anything about Warren's home life. Somebody save this moron from himself, as he's barely breathing through his mouth.



I posted that the job doesn't have power.

Regardless the rest

You proved it yourself.

The decision to postpone the season was with the presidents.

Thanks for playing but obviously you lack any common sense.
 

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Wrong again, TrollVanZandt. Kevin Warren is the B1G Commissioner and used his wokeness to persuade a majority of B1G Presidents to prematurely cancel the football season. You're the one who brought him up in a thread that had nothing to do with the B1G because you're a troll, and now can't accept the fact that you were wrong, as usual.
 
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Wrong again, TrollVanZandt. Kevin Warren is the B1G Commissioner and used his wokeness to persuade a majority of B1G Presidents to prematurely cancel the football season. You're the one who brought him up in a thread that had nothing to do with the B1G because you're a troll, and now can't accept the fact that you were wrong, as usual.

Once again it was the decision of the presidents

So who had the power

Like me talking to a 9 year old. Trying to explain how the world works
You cannot be this far gone
 

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Your words have hung you, TrollVanZandt. The ability to influence others into doing what you want them to do is enormously powerful. Woke Warren used this power to get what he wanted. You lose, as usual.
 
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Your words have hung you, TrollVanZandt. The ability to influence others into doing what you want them to do is enormously powerful. Woke Warren used this power to get what he wanted. You lose, as usual.

That power doesn't come with the job.

Once again the commissioner is powerless without the presidents

Going back to Oliver Luck

WVU came to the Big 12 because the presidents approved it.
The power is and will always be with the university presidents
 

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Commissioners are puppets
They have zero power. They only do what the presidents/Chancellors want.
As we saw in the B1G

Whoever is writing this article is clueless on how things actually work. Especially in the Big 12.
You continue to spin like a top, so let's review where you started trolling--see above. You're 100% wrong that Warren is a puppet and has zero power. Woke Warren convinced a majority of B1G Presidents to prematurely cancel the season. Influence = Power. I win. You lose. Now, run along and troll somebody else.
 
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You continue to spin like a top, so let's review where you started trolling--see above. You're 100% wrong that Warren is a puppet and has zero power. Woke Warren convinced a majority of B1G Presidents to prematurely cancel the season. Influence = Power. I win. You lose. Now, run along and troll somebody else.

He has zero power with the job
If he did he wouldn't have to convince anyone

Back to the point regarding commissioners.

They are powerless. The presidents are the ones who make the decisions.
Including who the commissioner is.

So WVU coming to the Big 12 was about the presidents
David Boren wanted Louisville. Someone said it was because of Mitch Mcconnell. I am not sure about that

But Boren as president of OU has power in the Big 12.
The question becomes why couldn't he exercise his power

Once you figure this out you will see why Oliver Luck deserves credit
 

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Dozens of posts later, and you still can't distinguish a vote from power. Lobbyists don't have a vote, either, but still have enormous power in our political process. They are no different than a woke conference commissioner, who is bound and determined to advance an agenda.
 
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Dozens of posts later, and you still can't distinguish a vote from power. Lobbyists don't have a vote, either, but still have enormous power in our political process. They are no different than a woke conference commissioner, who is bound and determined to advance an agenda.

Influence isn't power.

They lack power so they influence.

You are smarter than that.
 

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Even Webster's Dictionary knows that you're clueless, TrollVanZandt:

"Definition of power

2a : possession of control, authority, or influence over others"

mic drop
 
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Even Webster's Dictionary knows that you're clueless, TrollVanZandt:

"Definition of power

2a : possession of control, authority, or influence over others"

mic drop

You aren't proving anything except the fact that it was the presidents who made the decision.

So a commissioners job doesn't have the power to decide things
That is left to the presidents
 

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I just proved that even Webster's Dictionary would define you as a fool, TrollVanZandt. The ability to influence others to do something is power, and you're the only imbecile unwilling to acknowledge this obvious fact.
 
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I just proved that even Webster's Dictionary would define you as a fool, TrollVanZandt. The ability to influence others to do something is power, and you're the only imbecile unwilling to acknowledge this obvious fact.

Once again....

The power doesn't come with the job. That power is decided by the individual and not the job

The power in the conference is with the presidents.

Their decision is being influenced by a bunch of people.
Including the commissioner


You continue to prove my point.

Kevin Warren as commissioner of the B1G was powerless
Reason why he had to influence
 
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Kevin Warren became the scapegoat on message boards for people who don't understand how the process works

So ultimately your narrative that he influenced anyone might not be factual

What is factual is that the presidents made the decision
Why they made their decision is unknown.



Back to the Big 12

OU wanted Louisville and pushed for Louisville

The commissioner had no say here.

Research the reason behind why the presidents decided on WVU and not Louisville.
This is why Luck deserves credit
 

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Kevin Warren became the scapegoat on message boards for people who don't understand how the process works

So ultimately your narrative that he influenced anyone might not be factual

What is factual is that the presidents made the decision
Why they made their decision is unknown.



Back to the Big 12

OU wanted Louisville and pushed for Louisville

The commissioner had no say here.

Research the reason behind why the presidents decided on WVU and not Louisville.
This is why Luck deserves credit

Luck doesn't deserve 100% credit as he had to get other key factors involved. If Luck was all that why didn't Texas hire him as AD?
 

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Once again....

The power doesn't come with the job. That power is decided by the individual and not the job

The power in the conference is with the presidents.

Their decision is being influenced by a bunch of people.
Including the commissioner


You continue to prove my point.

Kevin Warren as commissioner of the B1G was powerless
Reason why he had to influence
Even Webster's Dictionary knows that you're clueless, TrollVanZandt:

"Definition of power

2a : possession of control, authority, or influence over others"

mic drop
 
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Even Webster's Dictionary knows that you're clueless, TrollVanZandt:

"Definition of power

2a : possession of control, authority, or influence over others"

mic drop

Once again that narrative that Kevin Warren is the one who influenced anyone isn't totally true....

Truthfully from how it sounded it was the medical community.
Conduct the research and see who influenced the decision of the presidents
 

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Troll needs to go, or at least stop the charade.
This idiot thinks that being a stubborn fool who always has time to have the last word because he's chronically unemployed makes him educated about every subject. Few people on Earth are as delusional as this clown. He was arguing with Webster's Dictionary earlier this afternoon, but when he finally realized it, he changed his argument for at least the fifth time in this thread.
 
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Reads like a pissing match between skunks to me. Entertaining, but also embarassing. I think I'll try to find a WVU sports thread. Nothing like my original post. All I care about is WVU, and Oliver Luck DID bail out WVU when there was a violet storm and the boat was leaking! For that I'll be eternally grateful. I don't care HOW he did it. I just care that he DID IT!
 

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Reads like a pissing match between skunks to me. Entertaining, but also embarassing. I think I'll try to find a WVU sports thread. Nothing like my original post. All I care about is WVU, and Oliver Luck DID bail out WVU when there was a violet storm and the boat was leaking! For that I'll be eternally grateful. I don't care HOW he did it. I just care that he DID IT!

Luck and Clements went to Don Nehlen for help in talking to Neinas. Known fact.

What the heck is a violet storm?