After BGJ referred to us as the last place, burn it to the ground.
Thank you Virginia Tech
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You’d be breaking the board rules…you must cheer for everybody that leaves Penn State and say they’re better than anyone we have…you haven’t been following along all these years.
I wouldn’t be singing the praises of a place that fired me and I’m quite sure no one else on here would either.
Exactly, these butt-hurt dorks are amusing - after the way Franklin was treated after the NW game and then by Krafty The Clown, these idiots expect him to praise PSU at what is essentially a welcoming party at his new school??? Really??? LMAO, that the a-holes on this board would act in this manner.... we sure do have a lot of a-holes on this board who are not only uncredentialed, self-proclaimed uber football geniuses and experts, but also raging hypocrites. Real charmers.
I dont hate Franklin. I just think it was time for him to move on.
10 wins starting in year 2 is the floor for what is acceptable given our schedule. If we start playing real non conference teams maybe 9 but, yes, 10.
Same is true at most major programs. That's why guys get fired.
I think i could coach this current roster to 10 wins next year, anyone peeked at the schedule.....woof.
Well, obviously.Franklin just stated in an interview that the ANALYTICS.said take the job at vo tech.
I’ll tell what I certainly would do. Name the entity that fired me. That’s childish.
Everyone knows that “the last place” is Penn State. For Franklin to refer to Penn State that way is a bad look. It’s petty.
Newsflash, James: Coaches get fired.
Right. It’s like Ohio State and Michigan players/staff/fans refusing to say the name of the other school. You just look like a moron doing it.
Do people
Also note State College is much closer to the DMV than Blacksburg.
And that is why you post on this message board and Kraft is the AD at PSU. Thank God you are not the AD.
Why Virginia Tech's hiring of James Franklin isn't exactly a home run
The Franklin hire is being celebrated around the industry, but the coach has plenty of faults — and they go beyond his inability to win against top teams.
sports.yahoo.com
SIAP - someone in the national media sees things through many of our eyes.
Why Virginia Tech's hiring of James Franklin isn't exactly a home run
The Franklin hire is being celebrated around the industry, but the coach has plenty of faults — and they go beyond his inability to win against top teams.
Franklin’s got this.
James Franklin is going to run circles around the likes of GT, Louisville, UVA, and Pitt in recruiting. He'll be right up there with Miami and Clemson (who is slipping further down the ladder everyday).
I saw a recent post on X, Dabo still doesn’t want to embrace the portal . Tigers are screwed .
Why weren't his recruiting classes consistently better here if that is true?
And when his teams get involved in a bare knuckle type of game, it will fold almost always in the fourth quarter when the chips are down. Franklin may have recruited a lot of highly regarded recruits to PSU, but most of his PSU teams were soft both physically and mentally.
Most of his recruiting classes were second tier and he'll struggle to duplicate that at VT. I say second tier because the record against championship caliber teams speaks for itself.
Also, how many recruits did he lose this past summer to schools like ND and USC and Clemson when he was head coach of a team that just had made the Final Four and was going to be preseason ranked somewhere in the top 5; he couldn't even get the brother of a current player from NJ to commit and lost him to USC, and that's when he was recruiting at PSU and not VT? He's a good recruiter and talker, but he's not a great recruiter; he's mostly style over substance, and PSU needs more substance.
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Franklin's recruiting fell off post NIL launch. His last good class was '22 when NIL became legal in July of that recruiting cycle. Distance and relationships and fit have completely fallen behind from a recruiting standpoint - who's going to pay me and how much.
Tech has "invested" but there is no way they're ever going to compete with Miami, Clemson, SMU, & FSU - they'll find themselves on the ring below with UNC, Duke, Cuse, & Louisville.
Yes, Kraft was upset about Franklin going behind his back to get a raise. But Kraft/Franklin also didn't see eye-to-eye when it came to NIL + recruiting/portal. Franklin wanted to spread the wealth and keep everyone happy, so it limited how much you could give the top guys. Just look at the '26 class - Meadows, Wafle, Obrien, Elee, Hiter, Iheanacho, etc. etc - we had the chance for an absolutely epic class, but Franklin wanted to spread the pot and work in a lot of developmental guys. Same thing with the portal. Franklin was worried about fit and culture and locker room - Kraft went public with the need to go after a guy like Pena. Kraft wanted to go after the big fish and pay them, Franklin had a more conservative approach.
Who was actually right? I don't really know. Franklin had a lot of success. But he also had more resources here. I don't know if this model translates at a mid/low tier ACC school.
Tech has "invested" but there is no way they're ever going to compete with Miami, Clemson, SMU, & FSU - they'll find themselves on the ring below with UNC, Duke, Cuse, & Louisville.
Yes, Kraft was upset about Franklin going behind his back to get a raise. But Kraft/Franklin also didn't see eye-to-eye when it came to NIL + recruiting/portal. Franklin wanted to spread the wealth and keep everyone happy, so it limited how much you could give the top guys. Just look at the '26 class - Meadows, Wafle, Obrien, Elee, Hiter, Iheanacho, etc. etc - we had the chance for an absolutely epic class, but Franklin wanted to spread the pot and work in a lot of developmental guys. Same thing with the portal. Franklin was worried about fit and culture and locker room - Kraft went public with the need to go after a guy like Pena. Kraft wanted to go after the big fish and pay them, Franklin had a more conservative approach.
Who was actually right? I don't really know. Franklin had a lot of success. But he also had more resources here. I don't know if this model translates at a mid/low tier ACC school.
And how would those fourth quarters have gone if he was playing ACC competition instead of Ohio State and Michigan?
Don’t kid yourself, he played a lot of ACC quality teams in the Big 10, and a lot of MAC and Patriot League caliber teams in the non-conference games. Do you think that he would’ve walked into Death Valley when Clemson was at its height and beat that team?
And most years he beat all those teams. His big problem was Ohio State, but they’re a problem for everyone.
Since 2020, he also had seasons of 4-5 in 2020, 7-6 in 2021, and 3-3 this season. He also was 9-4 in 2018. So, in several seasons, he lost to more teams than just OSU and Michigan.
There were also six double digit win seasons, so there were a lot more wins than losses.
He had a losing record in games with a margin of victory of 7 points or less. They weren’t all tOSU and Michigan.
I think his most frustrating record was being 1-10 in games between top 10 teams when PSU still controlled their MNC fate, with the majority being one score games. Again, they weren’t all tOSU and Michigan.
Not all, but a large percentage of them. He doesn’t have to win all of his games in the ACC, just 10. He’ll, even Pitt won the ACC not too long ago.
Oh good lord, it was a bad year, no doubt, but it was the outlier not the norm. Let’s judge an entire career based on two games in one season.