the #1 reason to go ahead and fire Stoops now
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It's pretty clear if you look at Stoops contract to see, he's gonna be here, not just next year but also for 2017. Hopefully staff changes can make next year a positive heading into 2017 so it's not such a miserable experience, but Stoops is getting 2 more seasons even if he goes 0-12 next year.
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You all really think UK will fire Barnhart? I just cannot see that happening. LOL...
Although I am not a big fan of Barnhart, he has done a good job across the board in all sports at UK. Has run a clean administration/programs, increased revenue and improved most of the facilities (except Rupp.) I know us diehard big 2 sports fans, don't like to hear about how well the other sports teams at UK is doing, but from the president/BOD, it IS important.
My 2 issues with Barnhart are Billy G, and his unwillingness to push the Rupp Upgrade/new arena.
But he has made slam dunk hires with Calipari and Mathew Mitchell.
Barnhart will retire from UK. He will never be fired.
[laughing] WHY AIM SMALL WE SHOULD GO AFTER BELICHEK!!! AND BRADY AS OUR QB COACH WTF OVER!
OU has been recruiting top 15ish classes and that translates to the middle of the pack of the SEC. Yet, OU beat Bama (top 3 recruiting every year) 2 years ago and they look like they might could do it again this year.
Mark isn't quite landing top 15ish classes every year, but he is landing top 20ish classes. That likely will not beat Bama, but it might get UK to 8-10 wins which might improve recruiting.
I'd love to know who we're going to hire that gets us good in three years. Because a lot of fans seem to think that this program only needs three years to go from two win seasons and MAC level talent to winning in the SEC.
I mean realistically. Yeah, I'm sure Nick Saban could do it. He's also not coming here.
I mean realistically. Yeah, I'm sure Nick Saban could do it. He's also not coming here.
I DO EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO:
-Beat a dreadful Vandy team
-Stop the Read-Option from a former FSU Def. Coord.
-Be disciplined enough to cut out unforced errors
-Progress from the start of the season to the end instead of regressing.
Is going 3-5 in a watered down SEC and 4-0 in the OOC in year 3 with 8 home games too much to ask? I say a RESOUNDING NO!!!
No action regarding Stoops matters as long as Barney is still our AD. He HAS TO GO FIRST.
Can't argue. Don't know if a 20ish class would equate to 9-10 wins in the SEC or not when that probably wouldn't put us in the top 7-10 in the SEC in recruiting. But ultimately, it's what these guys do on the field, how they're coached up, etc. that matters more than recruiting stars. And, to date, Bob has proven without a doubt to be the best HC of the Stoops brothers. Hopefully Mark will change that. I've always liked Bob.
Some of these posts remind me of the time that Joker was fired after only 3 years.
I asked the question then if the next coach was only going to get 3 years. So sure enough here we are again calling for a new coach.
I wonder how many more times are we going to go through this same scenario. In Jokers situation the argument was that his teams were regressing and the future was bleak.
Stoops is coming off probably the best two years of recruiting by UK in years. So what is the excuse this time. Any coach can have a bad year no matter how long he has been there.
The way I would answer that question is I believe the fans are frustrated and confused as to why we can't win most of our games. UK fans are the best in blaming the referees or the coach when we lose in basketball or football.
For once we should give the benefit of doubt to the coach and give him ample time to sort it all out which is more than 3 years jmho
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending who is looking at it), UK is in a minimal financial loss situation. They will receive $30+/- million from the SEC and get proceeds from ticket sales, some percentage of merchandising, concessions, etc. If 20,000 less fans per game on average showed up each of the next 2 years, it really does end up being a very small percentage of the overall revenue for football. Unless the administration is able to con boosters into buying out the contract, there is little incentive for UK to fire the coach from a financial standpoint.
You may be right that Mitch is in good standing with UK president/board...but I just don't get why we'd let him make another decision on Stoops/Stoops replacement. Joker, then Stoops along with his plan of a totally unexperienced staff and then a crazy extension in middle of second season. I think he's gotten all the chances he deserves...it's time for another decision maker to make the next one.
Yesterday was bad. This year has been disappointing. We really need to stop and take a breath today, this is exhausting. Stoops will make changes, who knows how much. Does that mean a better team, I really don't know.
I thought we could climb up a rung on the ladder this year but was wrong. Realistically we could improve a lot next year and it may not show up in the W column. Sucks but it's true.
I thought we could climb up a rung on the ladder this year but was wrong. Realistically we could improve a lot next year and it may not show up in the W column. Sucks but it's true.
With so many other high(er) profile jobs out there right now, we'd be in a much worse off position if Stoops was let go right now. Combine that with the buyout and how are you planning on paying a high profile coach?
He'll get next year, and he should. I don't think it's realistic to go from a dumpster fire to a program that regularly makes bowls in three years, at least with the coaches that will realistically come here. I understand the lack of optimism, and I agree I don't have a lot of hope that things will be much different next year. Firing two coaches over the course of six years is not a good look, and I don't know who is currently out there (that is attainable) that can turn us around quickly.
Just stupid post considering the facts. Win or lose its Stoops. get on board or go away for 2 years.
#1. At least MB didn't hire a moral and ethically bankrupt coach
#2. We have no idea whether the extension was a bad idea or not. No matter what all these brilliant AD's that post on here say the jury is still out on Stoops.
I've taken enough courses to know in business you'd count empty seats as a loss of revenue.
I guess you've forgotten the $225 million that UK has spent on the stadium upgrades and new practice facilities...there are bonds that must be paid. And BTW...that isn't $30+million of new money it's $20+million of that money is our regular SEC payout + ~$10 million new money from the SEC Network.
With the debt service on the upgrades that doesn't leave a lot of money left over.
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What coach is going to come here if he is fired after year five? We are the ugliest girl at the dance, we don't get whoever we want
I said this thing when many were calling for the firing of Brooks after the huge loss to LSU. "it's the middle of the season and Kentucky is not going to get a quality coach this year. May as well wait until next year and fire him then in necessary." We all know what happened then.
This year, with so many quality jobs open, Kentucky would have even less of a chance to land a big name coach and it makes not sense to make a lateral move at this time. If things don work out next year, there should not be so much competition for quality coaches next year.
This year, with so many quality jobs open, Kentucky would have even less of a chance to land a big name coach and it makes not sense to make a lateral move at this time. If things don work out next year, there should not be so much competition for quality coaches next year.
It took Saban 5 years to get to 9 win season in his last season at Michigan State, his second head coaching job. His record was 34-21. Although he went to 3 minor bowl games and lost all 3.
Even his first season at Alabama wasn't anything to brag about, his official record was 2-6 and had several games vacated. So even the best have poor records sometimes. It would be a good conversation piece if he was to agree to come here.
I doubt his record would be any better than Stoops first 3 years. He's been successful at most places he's been, but they were all established programs with strong football traditions. Thats not the case at Kentucky. Every big time coach knows that and will pass it up. Lets support Stoops for another 2 years he could be the answer- no one knows.:flushed:
Logic fail. If the jury is still out, then shoving an armored car into Stoops' wallet WAS a bad idea.