The anti cold meds bill just passed the MS Sentate

[FlabLoser]

HD6, hold your damn horses.

http://www.clarionledger....passes++heads+to+Barbour

This bill now awaits Gov Barbour's signature. The bill will require prescriptions for the likes of Sudafed, Claritin, and Mucinex. The goal is to keep crytal meth ingredients out of the hands of meth dealers. I suspect those people will merely get their ingredients from out of state.

Do YOU want to see a Dr every time you need a cold medicine? Do YOU want to see this added to our state's heavy medicaid burden? Do YOU think people with no health insurance should cough up $100-$150 for a doctor's visit so they can buy a $5 box of cold medicine?

I urge you to call the gov's office to express opposition to this bill. The phone number is 877-405-0733. If you can find an email address, please post it.

 

[FlabLoser]

HD6, hold your damn horses.

http://www.clarionledger....passes++heads+to+Barbour

This bill now awaits Gov Barbour's signature. The bill will require prescriptions for the likes of Sudafed, Claritin, and Mucinex. The goal is to keep crytal meth ingredients out of the hands of meth dealers. I suspect those people will merely get their ingredients from out of state.

Do YOU want to see a Dr every time you need a cold medicine? Do YOU want to see this added to our state's heavy medicaid burden? Do YOU think people with no health insurance should cough up $100-$150 for a doctor's visit so they can buy a $5 box of cold medicine?

I urge you to call the gov's office to express opposition to this bill. The phone number is 877-405-0733. If you can find an email address, please post it.

 

[FlabLoser]

HD6, hold your damn horses.

http://www.clarionledger....passes++heads+to+Barbour

This bill now awaits Gov Barbour's signature. The bill will require prescriptions for the likes of Sudafed, Claritin, and Mucinex. The goal is to keep crytal meth ingredients out of the hands of meth dealers. I suspect those people will merely get their ingredients from out of state.

Do YOU want to see a Dr every time you need a cold medicine? Do YOU want to see this added to our state's heavy medicaid burden? Do YOU think people with no health insurance should cough up $100-$150 for a doctor's visit so they can buy a $5 box of cold medicine?

I urge you to call the gov's office to express opposition to this bill. The phone number is 877-405-0733. If you can find an email address, please post it.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I could be wrong, because I'm definitely no meth expert, but I'm pretty sure a lot of the meth ingredients used are from things like household cleaners and such. I'm sure cold medicines may be a part of the deal as well, but I don't think there is a specific meth formula, and I don't think forcing prescriptions for cold medication will have much effect on meth use.

They'll just find other over the counter ingredients to make their meth.

Should they require prescriptions for glue and whip cream too? People will get high off whatever they can get their hands on.

 

[gptdawg]

Well the main ingredient is pseudophedrine(sp) which is (make that was) the main ingredient in Pseudophed and other OTC stuff that actually worked. Several years back all the major manufacturers took that out and substituted some crap that don't work. anyway, now you have to show ID to get the real stuff and your're limited to only 48 tabs a month. So I really don't see where all this will help. I've heard all the pseudopherine to make meth comes from Mexico anyway. I'm tired of being treated like a criminal to get cold meds. They haven't stopped the problem in the past 10 years and the latest thing will not work either.

 

[umrebel2009]

Alot of stories i've read about meth cookers getting caught has involved them being busted buying sudafed, so i think it really will play a role in slowing down meth cooking. Sudafed is already over-the counter and they track who buys it because it's an ingredient.

Meth operations tend to explode. Once whip cream and glue sniffing operations start involving explosions, expect the gov to crack down.</p>

 

[KingoftheDawgs]

What's to stop people from going to TN, AR, and AL to get sudafed and claratin?

 

[ckDOG]

I thought you had to present some ID and sign a list when you purchase these things (not certain - I haven't bought serious cold medicine in years)? If that's the case, shouldn't the issue be about why whoever monitors these lists doesn't bust the people that are buying dozens of boxes of this **** every week? If they just did a better job at tracking who did the purchasing, the rest of the responsible general public wouldn't be burdened with this. Plus, the costs of monitoring who makes the purchases has to be lower than the added cost put on the health care system by folks having to go to the doctor for just average cold symptoms.

This is ignorant.

 

[Center Z]

This is stupid. I wish they'd focus on education and job creation.

Inbefodalock

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Neighbor of ours has a tank at his shop that the meth heads started trying to steal it for their meth cooking. There was a detailed map on the internet on how to get to their place and where to find the tank. Crazy.

 

[RebelBruiser]

As I said, I don't know a ton about meth, but I know there are multiple ways to make it, and many combinations of ingredients to my understanding. If Sudafed is one of the main ones, that would make some sense. I still don't see why you would want to require prescriptions though. You would think that simply tracking it and forcing people to go through the pharmacy to get it would be enough.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It's just another attempt at the war on drugs which has and will fail miserably no matter what the law might be.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

so this is totally pointless.

 

[ckDOG]

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[MSU SilentBob]

While I understand trying to control it and slow down or stop meth production, this is absolute horseshit on so many levels. I'm sure you've all been to a doctor at some point in the last 10 years. It's already hard enough to see a doctor when you have no other option for treatable illnesses. Making this prescription will fill doctors offices up even more. Maybe what I'm saying is a kneejerk reaction, but so is this stupid bill.

 

[MSU SilentBob]

Lock it down like a bank vault or what?

 

[abitadawg]

and meth incidents dropped 70% the first year after the law and were down 90% in 2009 when compared to the 12 months previous to the law.

I'm no expert but I am not aware of any way to make meth without PSE. The current logs behind the counter aren't updated in real time so cooks go from pharmacy to pharmacy. Or they get around it by loading up a group of customers and everybody buys their limit. This is pretty easy to pick up on but the problem is so bad that narcotics is too busy to come stop them before they leave.

 

[dawgstudent]

for those that don't have or can't afford health insurance, you are going to require them to go to the doctor to get over the counter medicine. So it's even more of a financial burden. And I don't feel like paying my co-pay to get a prescription.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Sure you'll keep a few of the small-scale operations down, which is good for keeping hazmat crews from having to come to most neighborhoods, but this will not touch the large-scale operations.

 

[mjh94]

but pharmD's may have the authority to write the prescription for those OTC's.. if not, that's ridiculous. they better hope it helps with the meth problems or there will be hell to pay.<div>
</div><div>ETA: I don't know if pharmD's would even have the authority to do that, per the FDA and all those agencies.</div>

 

[aspendawg]

Personally I don't think passing this bill will bring about anything good besides making somebody feel better about themselves for helping to "stop" the meth epidemic. And pissing others off who don't want to pay for a visit to get some GD cold medicine.

If you really want to order it without going to a Doc then try this. It's what everyone else will divert too.

http://www.canadamedicineshop.com

"Ice is the road to hell"

Dog the bounty hunter.

 

[GBryne4Heisman]

is meth really that big of a problem for MS? I haven't ever seen meth at a party or bar I've been at before.

Someone told me once that Franklin County (Homochitto National Forrest) was the Meth cooking capital of the world, but I have no idea if thats true or not. </p>

 

[lawdawg02]

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[GBryne4Heisman]

this bill only applies to cold medicine that contains Psuedoedphidrine.

That is the cold medicine that you have to present ID for currently, but you will still be able to get regular OTC cold medicine, like Nyquil or whatever..

 

[Canis]

I believe you would still be able to get claritin just not the formulations with pseudoephedrine like Claritin D(econgestant). Claritin is loratadine which is a newer anti-histamine much less sedating than its predecessors (benadryl). I've never heard of it being used to make meth.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Most farmers don't use anhydrous ammonia anymore but many still have the tanks around the farm. These people come around looking and hoping that there might be a little bit left in the tank to steal and try anyway. The one tank I was referring to was used as a decoy by the police to draw them in and they would stake it out at night because it was only about 3 miles from Memphis. They made alot of arrests but now they know and don't use it much anymore.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

But you might as well go with a sugar pill or some homeopathic remedy.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

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[thatsbaseball]

and you don`t have a prescription for it ......you`re 17d ?

 

[davatron]

At any rate, this is retarded. It will impose more financial burden on those that can not afford to see the doctor as it is. That will require more legislation, which will create more problems than it solves, and it will require more legislation, and that will require more legislation... etc, etc. You see how this is going.

 

[GBryne4Heisman]

Represenative quoted in the story about Meth being a major problem facing MS is from Oxford..

 

[sardis]

Atlanta needs a broader circle, etc. Government also spends lots of money on weapons which seem to be the most exportable item we have left.

 

[drail14me]

I've got over 16 years of law enforcement experience, most of which was right here in Starkville/Oktibbeha County. I can assure you, there is a LARGE problem with Meth right here in the Golden Triangle that you never hear about.

I've personally arrested people that were traveling from town to town and stopping at EVERY store and buying packs of Sudafed to cook down. I've been involved with busting Meth labs here in town, I've been to homes that had burned to the ground because of a Meth lab gone bad and I've seen first hand what Meth does to families, I've seen a little girl that hadn't seen her mother in seven months cause she got hooked on Meth and disappeared. I've worked COUNTLESS burglaries that were committed so that they could sell the stuff to fund their Meth habit. METH is BAD and it's a BIG problem here in Mississippi and not just in the rural areas.

I really hate it for those that need to go to the pharmacy each week to get Sudafed or such, to treat their cold. I hate that they are inconvenienced over having to see a Dr. now. I hope you can feel my sarcasm in that cause I REALLY don't care about those people whining about this bill. If you have to have that much Sudafed for your cold that it's an inconvenience now, then you probably needed to see a Dr about your problem anyway.

I do agree with many of you in that it does suck that those of us that abide by the law have to suffer because of the idiots that don't. Unfortunately, that happens in many walks of life that I can ***** about but this is one case I can live with.

 

[KingoftheDawgs]

<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre; ">And if you think this bill will somehow stop or slow down </span>the manufacturing and consumption of meth, then you are a moron. They will get it one way another and the law-abiding citizen has one more thing they will have to overpay for because of our paternal gubmint!

 

[ThreePack]

This is like the NCAA being so pissed at Alabama that they put UAB on probation. Just screw the good consumers.

 

[Johnson85]

If people want to 17 themselves up on meth, let 'em. It sucks to have a parent that's a worthless piece of ****, but stopping people from getting effective cold medicine doesn't really change the fact that your parent is a worthless piece of ****. </p>

 

[drail14me]

Lets see here. Main and required ingredient for Meth readily available on a daily basis at over a dozen stores in Starkville alone. If I want to make Meth, I stop by Walmart and pick up a pack, then by Kroger, then Walgreens, then CVS, then Piggly Wiggly and so on until I have PLENTY to cook. Along the way, you pick up the other ingredients at the same stores. In just a few hours, you're cooking.

Now, with the new law, you can't go ANYWHERE in town and pick it up unless I have a prescription and even then, you'll only be able to get a SMALL supply and you won't be able to go to a dozen stores unless you go to a dozen doctors first. So, that DRASTICALLY cuts down on the supply of the main, required, ingredient. Now explain to me how taking away access to the main ingredient won't cut down on the manufacture here in Mississippi?

No, I don't believe this will be a CURE for our Meth problem but I do believe it will greatly cut it back. Yes, Meth Heads can still get the Sudafed from other sources but at a much higher cost and effort. Now, they'll have to drive to a neighboring state to get it but those states are working towards the same laws. Also remember, most meth heads have trouble buying gas to get to town, much less to the next state and those same broke *** people will have a hard time paying for the higher cost of illegally imported sudafed. IT WILL HELP! Proof is in the states that have already done this.

 

[drail14me]

Nobody is stopping you from getting anything. There are TONS of other brands of cold medicine that will still be available. If you want Sudafed, you can still get it.

If I want some, I can just call my Dr and they will call in a prescription for me at no charge. If you have a regular Dr then I bet they'll do the same for you. If not, you just have an office visit and you will probably get a six month prescription. WOW, what an inconvenience!!!!

Also, I don't think y'all understand how addictive Meth is. If you try it ONCE, you are hooked and it's VERY VERY VERY hard to kick the habit even with medical help. Meth takes over your life and controls you.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

If people want to 17 themselves up on meth, let 'em. It sucks to have a parent that's a worthless piece of ****, but stopping people from getting effective cold medicine doesn't really change the fact that your parent is a worthless piece of ****. </p>

It's not always the "worthless pieces of ****" that get hooked on this ****. There have been meth labs, That I know about, found near both MSU and UM and manned by students of the universities. One hit at a party for a teenager or anyone else and they are hooked. Then it's all downhill from there.<div>
</div><div>I had a high school friend that I hadn't seen in a while get hooked on the stuff to the point where was 17'n seeing bears in the woods He was in the top 5 percent of the graduating class. i also know of a guy who had a very successful car repair shop that freaked customers out one day when he was rolling masking tape along the floor to seal up the cracks where the spiders were coming though. He went from being a successful and talented businessman to being broke and bankrupt due to a "friend" of his introducing him to the drug at a party one night.
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</div><div>My brother is a drug investigator that is on a major crossroad in this state and they catch both professional folks and trailer trash with the stuff all the time. He has been to houses where the folks have blown a wall out of their house making the crap. So what you say? where there was a three year old kid in the house that had to be rushed to lebonnheur with third degree burns and will have a disfigured face for the rest of his life. I hear stories from him all the time of busting people with meth labs in their home with kids in the next room. I mean the labs are so explosive that they have to practically call in haz mat teams to dispose of them.</div><div>
</div><div>Multiple household chemicals are used to make meth, but without ephridrine or pseudophrine... you can't make it. It's like making ketchup without tomatoes.</div><div>
</div><div>Everyone... everyone that says that this bill is wrong have either not seen what this drug can do or been around anyone that has been introduced to it. </div><div>
</div><div>Everyone that is crying because they lost their precious Psudophedrine need to sack up and just take some freaking vitamin C for crying out loud. Then ask someone who knows about this stuff how this will really help. There is still nyquil for all you babies.</div><div>
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[BCash]

If people want to 17 themselves up on meth, let 'em. It sucks to have a parent that's a worthless piece of ****, but stopping people from getting effective cold medicine doesn't really change the fact that your parent is a worthless piece of ****. </p>

It's not always the "worthless pieces of ****" that get hooked on this ****. There have been meth labs, That I know about, found near both MSU and UM and manned by students of the universities. One hit at a party for a teenager or anyone else and they are hooked. Then it's all downhill from there.
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</div><div>I had a high school friend that I hadn't seen in a while get hooked on the stuff to the point where was 17'n seeing bears in the woods He was in the top 5 percent of the graduating class. i also know of a guy who had a very successful car repair shop that freaked customers out one day when he was rolling masking tape along the floor to seal up the cracks where the spiders were coming though. He went from being a successful and talented businessman to being broke and bankrupt due to a "friend" of his introducing him to the drug at a party one night.
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</div><div>My brother is a drug investigator that is on a major crossroad in this state and they catch both professional folks and trailer trash with the stuff all the time. He has been to houses where the folks have blown a wall out of their house making the crap. So what you say? where there was a three year old kid in the house that had to be rushed to lebonnheur with third degree burns and will have a disfigured face for the rest of his life. I hear stories from him all the time of busting people with meth labs in their home with kids in the next room. I mean the labs are so explosive that they have to practically call in haz mat teams to dispose of them.</div><div>
</div><div>Multiple household chemicals are used to make meth, but without ephridrine or pseudophrine... you can't make it. It's like making ketchup without tomatoes.</div><div>
</div><div>Everyone... everyone that says that this bill is wrong have either not seen what this drug can do or been around anyone that has been introduced to it. </div><div>
</div><div>Everyone that is crying because they lost their precious Psudophedrine need to sack up and just take some freaking vitamin C for crying out loud. Then ask someone who knows about this stuff how this will really help. There is still nyquil for all you babies.</div><div>
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That thesepeopl are, in fact, worthless pieces of ****. Just because you're in school at amajoruniveristydoesn't mean you're not a piece of ****.If you're runing ameth lab, you are a worthless piece of ****. If you are offered by a friend ata party to take meth anddo, then your friend is a worthless piece of **** and you are adumbassworthless piece of **** for taking it.Doesn't matter if you're a successful business owner or not.