Teams
Teams
Fan Sites
Forums
Shows
College
College Football News
College Football Player Rankings
College Football Rankings
College Football Playoff
College Basketball News
Women's Sports
NIL
NIL News
NIL Valuation
NIL Deals
NIL Deal Tracker
Sports Business
Transfer Portal
Transfer Portal News
NCAA Transfer Portal
Transfer Portal Rankings
Transfer Portal Team Rankings
Recruiting
Football Recruiting
Basketball Recruiting
Database
Team Rankings
Player Rankings
Industry Comparison
Commitments
Recruiting Prediction Machine
High School
High School News
Schools
Rankings
Scores
Draft
NFL Draft
NFL Draft News
Draft By Stars
College Draft History
College Draft Totals
NBA Draft
NBA Draft News
Pro
NFL
NASCAR
NBA
Culture
Sports Betting
About
About
On3 App
Advertise
Press
FAQ
Contact
Log in
Register
Message Boards
Rivals300
Recruiting Board
NIL Valuation
Transfer Portal
Andy & Ari On3
New posts
Menu
Install the app
Install
Don't misinterpret Lincoln Riley's comments about the Notre Dame rivalry as USC being scared
Predicting the top 15 most watched games of the 2025 college football season
Drew Allar returns with unfinished business and Penn State's best receiver room yet
Is the Rose Bowl loss causing us to underrate the Oregon Ducks in 2025?
DJ Lagway identifies where he wants to improve the most in 2025
Reply to thread
Forums
West Virginia
Mountaineer Message Board
The Big 12 Collapsed Because Texas Couldn’t Handle Losing that Many Games
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Message
<blockquote data-quote="WVUALLEN" data-source="post: 131736716" data-attributes="member: 1112294"><p>Any disaster has many explanations. And with the collapse of the Big 12, plenty of small factors caused the league’s demise. But one explanation suffices: Texas lost too many games and decided to head to the SEC to see if it could win more games than it did along I-35.</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/the-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldn-t-handle-losing-that-many-games/ar-AAMDf9E?ocid=msedgntp[/URL]</p><p></p><p>The SEC pays more because it’s won the most games and has the most attractive brands. The SEC didn’t always win the most. As wild as it seems now, Auburn went undefeated and didn’t make the national championship in 2004 because the PAC-10 and Big 12’s respective champions, USC and Oklahoma, were seen as better than the best in the SEC.</p><p></p><p>Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M and Colorado elected to leave the Big 12 because of frustration with Texas. If those schools remained in the league, the Big 12 wouldn’t be so far behind in the conference race. But why did those schools leave? It’s not because Colorado’s culture just aligned more with Washington State. It’s because Texas has insane demands. Ohio State, USC and company don’t mandate the constraints Texas imposed on its conference brethren. No other league countenances a school having its own network. The Big 12 gave Texas the Longhorn Network. And no other league considered an uneven distribution of revenue. The Big 12 offered that; it wasn’t enough for Texas. Those four original members that left in the last round of realignment understood nothing can provide enough to satiate Texas’s ego.</p><p></p><p>Even with its attitude causing four original members to bolt, Texas still would be in the Big 12 had it just won enough. Since Texas won the Big 12 in 2009, Oklahoma (a bunch), Baylor (x2), TCU, Kansas State and Oklahoma State have won the league. The decimated Big 12 didn’t preclude schools with fewer resources from winning.</p><p></p><p>Instead, Texas had quite possibly the worst performance relative to resources in the history of college football. Texas makes the most money in college sports. It made zero playoffs. It lost to Kansas, and nearly lost to the Jayhawks another time. Texas had four head coaches from 2009-2021—one more than the number of people America elected to the White House in that stretch. The Longhorns finished with fewer wins than Baylor over the last decade, despite one win and two wins seasons from the Bears in that stretch.</p><p></p><p>The Longhorn’s pride is deeply hurt. They’ve convinced themselves the weakness of the Big 12 explains their own mediocrity. Somehow the Big 12 is so weak that it’s made Texas too weak to win the league. That oxymoronic belief is the foundation of the hubris that makes Texas certain that it will use resources that have bought zero Big 12 championships a bevy of SEC titles. Good luck.</p><p></p><p>So instead of deep introspection, Burnt Orange Nation echoed the view of many Texas fans by opining:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12"></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12"></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1067070671346380801/wp0i3cmp_normal.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12"></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12">Burnt Orange Nation</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12"></a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12">@BON_SBNation</a></p><p>The remaining Big 12 schools on the verge of being left behind, the schools subsidized by the Longhorns for decades, are finding that they didn’t appreciate what they had. So now they’re big mad, full of sound of fury, signifying nothing.</p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1"></a></p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1"></a></p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1420101042918801412/7NWvi8b0?format=jpg&name=small" alt="COLLEGE FOOTBALL: SEP 29 Texas at Kansas State" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1">It isn’t the responsibility of Texas and OU to carry the entire Big 12 Conference</a></p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1">Texas was already perpetually framed as the big, bad bully in the conference. But maybe getting "bullied" wasn’t so bad while those fat checks cashed. And maybe the remaining eight schools are so mad...</a></p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1">burntorangenation.com</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation/status/1420101039190052864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12">3:17 PM · Jul 27, 2021</a></p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/intent/like?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12&tweet_id=1420101039190052864">https://twitter.com/intent/like?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1420101039190052864|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https://www.ourdailybears.com/2021/7/27/22597060/the-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12&tweet_id=1420101039190052864</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1">https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1</a></p><p>That view is wrong for a host of reasons. First, this would be the framework of someone that thinks Milton Friedman sold out by not worshiping the market every day of his life. Apparently the “schools subsidized by the Longhorns for decades, are finding that they didn’t appreciate what they had.” This is the ideology of people that would say, “You can never challenge the market. If Amazon wants to shut down all its competitors and control markets in everything, then praise Jeff Bezos! If you don’t show him proper appreciation, then it’s your fault if Amazon decides to remove all your products then be happy they let you sell for a day!”</p><p></p><p>Second, Texas would still be here if it won. If Texas had been as successful as Oklahoma, it would have an easy path to the playoff. The next playoff agreement would have ensured the Big 12 champ made the playoff. There’s a much easier path to winning the Big 12 than the SEC. Texas just couldn’t do it. If Texas had won—with all the attendant revenue boost—it would have leaped further ahead of anyone in the SEC. And if Texas had won, it would have recruited at an even higher tier. Its problems stem from its own weakness. Not from the lower tiered folks. But I guess when the billionaire finds out that money doesn’t buy wins or happiness, he has to blame those in a lower financial strait for not providing enough trickle-up economics or easy victories. The 2016 Jayhawks still owe Texas an apology, I guess.</p><p></p><p>This is probably all part of a plan to eventually get a smaller field to a champions league in college football. Maybe it’s not immediately, but sometime, the top 12 or 16 or 24 schools will band together thinking, “We’ll get more money just playing ourselves.” Then eventually they’ll realize that not quite as many people care about watching college football as they once did. But luckily Burnt Orange Nation has a bit more faith in the market than I do, so I’m sure that the narrowing of the sport to fewer schools won’t have any consequences. When has short-term financial interest ever led to long-term financial peril?</p><p></p><p>Had Texas simply won this wouldn’t be happening. But Texas didn’t win so now they’ll tell us they’re leaving because the money will give Texas an advantage it can’t win without. But Texas couldn’t win with that advantage over the last decade. So good luck to the Longhorns winning with fewer advantages and less appeasement from the SEC. If the cost of the Big 12 meant not appeasing or losing to Texas enough, then the Big 12 died a good death. That’s more than many conferences can say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WVUALLEN, post: 131736716, member: 1112294"] Any disaster has many explanations. And with the collapse of the Big 12, plenty of small factors caused the league’s demise. But one explanation suffices: Texas lost too many games and decided to head to the SEC to see if it could win more games than it did along I-35. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/the-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldn-t-handle-losing-that-many-games/ar-AAMDf9E?ocid=msedgntp[/URL] The SEC pays more because it’s won the most games and has the most attractive brands. The SEC didn’t always win the most. As wild as it seems now, Auburn went undefeated and didn’t make the national championship in 2004 because the PAC-10 and Big 12’s respective champions, USC and Oklahoma, were seen as better than the best in the SEC. Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M and Colorado elected to leave the Big 12 because of frustration with Texas. If those schools remained in the league, the Big 12 wouldn’t be so far behind in the conference race. But why did those schools leave? It’s not because Colorado’s culture just aligned more with Washington State. It’s because Texas has insane demands. Ohio State, USC and company don’t mandate the constraints Texas imposed on its conference brethren. No other league countenances a school having its own network. The Big 12 gave Texas the Longhorn Network. And no other league considered an uneven distribution of revenue. The Big 12 offered that; it wasn’t enough for Texas. Those four original members that left in the last round of realignment understood nothing can provide enough to satiate Texas’s ego. Even with its attitude causing four original members to bolt, Texas still would be in the Big 12 had it just won enough. Since Texas won the Big 12 in 2009, Oklahoma (a bunch), Baylor (x2), TCU, Kansas State and Oklahoma State have won the league. The decimated Big 12 didn’t preclude schools with fewer resources from winning. Instead, Texas had quite possibly the worst performance relative to resources in the history of college football. Texas makes the most money in college sports. It made zero playoffs. It lost to Kansas, and nearly lost to the Jayhawks another time. Texas had four head coaches from 2009-2021—one more than the number of people America elected to the White House in that stretch. The Longhorns finished with fewer wins than Baylor over the last decade, despite one win and two wins seasons from the Bears in that stretch. The Longhorn’s pride is deeply hurt. They’ve convinced themselves the weakness of the Big 12 explains their own mediocrity. Somehow the Big 12 is so weak that it’s made Texas too weak to win the league. That oxymoronic belief is the foundation of the hubris that makes Texas certain that it will use resources that have bought zero Big 12 championships a bevy of SEC titles. Good luck. So instead of deep introspection, Burnt Orange Nation echoed the view of many Texas fans by opining: [URL='https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12'] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1067070671346380801/wp0i3cmp_normal.jpg[/IMG] Burnt Orange Nation @BON_SBNation[/URL] The remaining Big 12 schools on the verge of being left behind, the schools subsidized by the Longhorns for decades, are finding that they didn’t appreciate what they had. So now they’re big mad, full of sound of fury, signifying nothing. [URL='https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1'] [IMG alt="COLLEGE FOOTBALL: SEP 29 Texas at Kansas State"]https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1420101042918801412/7NWvi8b0?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG] It isn’t the responsibility of Texas and OU to carry the entire Big 12 Conference Texas was already perpetually framed as the big, bad bully in the conference. But maybe getting "bullied" wasn’t so bad while those fat checks cashed. And maybe the remaining eight schools are so mad... burntorangenation.com[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/BON_SBNation/status/1420101039190052864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12']3:17 PM · Jul 27, 2021[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/intent/like?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1420101039190052864%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourdailybears.com%2F2021%2F7%2F27%2F22597060%2Fthe-big-12-collapsed-because-texas-couldnt-handle-losing-that-many-games-hook-em-big-12&tweet_id=1420101039190052864'][/URL] [URL]https://t.co/oAEMH5VLAv?amp=1[/URL] That view is wrong for a host of reasons. First, this would be the framework of someone that thinks Milton Friedman sold out by not worshiping the market every day of his life. Apparently the “schools subsidized by the Longhorns for decades, are finding that they didn’t appreciate what they had.” This is the ideology of people that would say, “You can never challenge the market. If Amazon wants to shut down all its competitors and control markets in everything, then praise Jeff Bezos! If you don’t show him proper appreciation, then it’s your fault if Amazon decides to remove all your products then be happy they let you sell for a day!” Second, Texas would still be here if it won. If Texas had been as successful as Oklahoma, it would have an easy path to the playoff. The next playoff agreement would have ensured the Big 12 champ made the playoff. There’s a much easier path to winning the Big 12 than the SEC. Texas just couldn’t do it. If Texas had won—with all the attendant revenue boost—it would have leaped further ahead of anyone in the SEC. And if Texas had won, it would have recruited at an even higher tier. Its problems stem from its own weakness. Not from the lower tiered folks. But I guess when the billionaire finds out that money doesn’t buy wins or happiness, he has to blame those in a lower financial strait for not providing enough trickle-up economics or easy victories. The 2016 Jayhawks still owe Texas an apology, I guess. This is probably all part of a plan to eventually get a smaller field to a champions league in college football. Maybe it’s not immediately, but sometime, the top 12 or 16 or 24 schools will band together thinking, “We’ll get more money just playing ourselves.” Then eventually they’ll realize that not quite as many people care about watching college football as they once did. But luckily Burnt Orange Nation has a bit more faith in the market than I do, so I’m sure that the narrowing of the sport to fewer schools won’t have any consequences. When has short-term financial interest ever led to long-term financial peril? Had Texas simply won this wouldn’t be happening. But Texas didn’t win so now they’ll tell us they’re leaving because the money will give Texas an advantage it can’t win without. But Texas couldn’t win with that advantage over the last decade. So good luck to the Longhorns winning with fewer advantages and less appeasement from the SEC. If the cost of the Big 12 meant not appeasing or losing to Texas enough, then the Big 12 died a good death. That’s more than many conferences can say. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Name
Post reply
Forums
West Virginia
Mountaineer Message Board
The Big 12 Collapsed Because Texas Couldn’t Handle Losing that Many Games
Top
Bottom