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The quality of a program has nothing to do with being in a BCS conference. See: Ole Miss, Kansas, Vanderbilt, Duke, Kentucky, Navy, SMU, UCF, Washington State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern... need I go on?
Conferences should want to fill up their vacancies with weak programs that won't compete well out of conference and make poor bowl match ups. That will make them viable and sustainable.
Navy is a national brand and brings the all important tv's. USM is not and does not. MSU is not and does not. UM isnot and does not. You will be in the same situation as USM when this all shakes out. Believe me when I say,there will be a day when Bama does not want to share any longer. The $'s arejust to great to ignore. By the way this is not a flame, just the way it will be eventually.By the way,Navy will not be a part of it either.Barkman Turner Overdrive said:
Even though the SEC is top heavy, they're not just going to boot universities just because freaking Alabama wants them to. How the hell do you figure that?
I don't think it's inconceivable that the richest programs in the country (i.e. Texas, Alabama, Florida, LSU, Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, etc.) would want to cut ties with their less-profitable conference brothers. I've been studying this system for a few years now, and I don't think that it's outlandish to think that schools like MSU could get left out in the cold one day. I hope it doesn't happen, but if you don't think it's at least a possibility, you're delusional.
Sure, there was quite a bit of luck involved on our part but that is not my argument. We are not the ones in a nothing conference pounding our chest and talking about how great our program is. My point is that if your program is as good as you ten say it is, then at least a conference would be trying to get you on board. Houston, San Diego State, Boise State...they aren't national brands. They all got their tickets punched.
Houston and SDSU were added for... Houston and San Diego. Boise State was added solely because of the value their success would add to the strength of the conference when re-evaluation comes up in a couple of years. Please try to keep up. I don't love Southern Miss, but Jesus... some of you hate them with such a passion that you can't be objective about all this crap. Wait... maybe they're our REAL rival.
TheBig boys will form a new leaguewhen they figure out the tax implications. They will model it after the NFL and play on saturdays. The money involved will be astronomical with all national brands and most large markets. It is a no brainer. They will also tell the ncaa to take a hike and they will police themselves and make their own rules as the NFL does. It's the money boys and you and us just don't produce it.Incognegro said:
You are making my point posted in this thread.
Also, I can't imagine SDSU and UofH being huge draws, even in those two markets. UofH is THE suitcase college of Texas. I don't know about Whale's ****** State, but I imagine it is closer to UofH than USC or UCLA.
I'd say that you're making my point for me. Boise is being added because they've been the most successful program in D1 football the past decade (throw out conference quality). But Houston and SDSU? Come on. Stop making me defend the buzzards. We both know that they're more successful than UH and SDSU. The only reason those 2 schools are being added is b/c of their markets. And as an MSU fan, looking into the future, that makes me nervous.
You are trying to make sense out of the big east? Of course......Barkman Turner Overdrive said:
I just don't see that happening over the other possibilities. I see conferences as a whole jumping ship from the NCAA instead of individual schools. It can happen, granted, but I just don't see it being likely.
The Big East is just desperately scrambling to try to pick up a few halfway name teams to try to hold it's automatic bid. Personally, I think they'd be just as well served to add USM. USM wouldn't bring much fewer people than those schools would and they'd bring a little more football respectability, which is what the Big East really needs.
Its all about the market potential....and always will be. If you added the markets within an hour and a half of Hattiesburg, it would be a fairly good market with the coast, New Orleans, Mobile, and Jackson.
You should start every one of your posts out with this so that people with half a brain wouldn't read any farther. That is just an incredibly stupid statement, dubmass.BulldogBasher said:
I'm talking purely wins and losses. Nothing more. Notice the disclaimer about conference quality. It's called reedin' compreehention. Dubmass.
they want us on that wall. they need us on that wall.
put bama ohio state texas usc and florida in a division/conference/whatever...somebody's got to finish last and none of those schools pay the money they do into athletics to finish last in ANYTHING. The coaching turnover alone would be ridiculous. You already have it in some schools. UT is probably going to fire Dooley after next season. If Auburn doesn't make a bowl and performs poorly they may fire Chizik. every conference needs some teams to beat up on.
put bama ohio state texas usc and florida in a division/conference/whatever...somebody's got to finish last and none of those schools pay the money they do into athletics to finish last in ANYTHING. The coaching turnover alone would be ridiculous. You already have it in some schools. UT is probably going to fire Dooley after next season. If Auburn doesn't make a bowl and performs poorly they may fire Chizik. every conference needs some teams to beat up on.
Beating a bunch of VERY ****** teams for a long time doesn't make you the best team you idiot. Mississippi State is the best football team ever in the whole world (disregard win/loss records and poll data). It was a dumb statement and it was only one of about 8 dumb statements you made in this thread.BulldogBasher said:
Having lived in Houston I can tell you the market for UH isn't what you think it would be. Hell, in the city of Houston and the surrounding areas they are MAYBE the 5/6 th most followed team. Think about it, you have UT, A&M, TT, TCU that share the state. I would even bet that Baylor easily has a stronger following. Not to mention, there are a **** ton of OU and OSU fans throughout that entire state. I would imagine it's not any different at SDST either.
Could it happen, yeah. However, the probability is slim.
Could it happen, yeah. However, the probability is slim.
I seem to remember Houston having some good teams the past few years. Didn't Brady Hoke get the Michigan job because he made SDSU successful? Plus SDSU has been good at basketball, even though that is primarily an afterthought in conference alignment.BulldogBasher said:
Isn't beating Virginia the signature win for USM for the past six years or so? Obviously TV markets are going to be the biggest factor considered, but it's not like USM has stood out among the non-AQ conference teams.
It's like half of an opinion to me. Now go away and don't try to make your ****** school look good to us. It will never be.
Theres more LSU fans on the coast than Southern fans. Do you think many people in Mobile would tune in for a USM-Navy Big East game? Do you think mane people in New Orleans would tune into USM-South Florida? This is what the ten USM fan's don't understand. There are just not enough dedicated fans within their fan base to attract a AQ conference bid. They will never be in a AQ conference. Beating 1 good BCS conference team in the past ten years is not going to do it for you.GerryBertier said:
You're right about one thing, USM will never be in an AQ conference because there will be no such thing as an AQ conference in a couple years.GhostOfJackie wrote: [/b said:
That does indeed play a role in conference realignment. It's not so much how many fans a particular school currently has, but how many fans could they possibly generate...especially if they had a few special seasons here and there. There's also the hope that there might be people who just like to watch football and will watch those games if they see it on. That's what I take from it and I see it being a viable reason. I don't think it's necessarily the smartest thing, but it makes sense.
Market POTENTIAL. Everyone with a brain knows that Bama and LSU rule the southern part of the state. Mobile has a huge gathering of USM alums and so do those other cities I mentioned. You put USM in a better conference, with better opponents, more money, and more TV time and there is a good chance that USM could make a hit in those markets...
You can knock USM all you want, it doesn't matter to me. When you put it in perspective, we have accomplished some great things in the last decade or two. There are only ten schools with less athletic revenue than us and we are at the bottom of CUSA in that category. Yet have been to the CWS, bowl games, conference championships, and finished in the football top 25 several times....and hopefully will add a NCAA tourney appearance this March. Point is, we are currently not a BCS conference school and we do not receive the revenue you do. So do not compare us to BCS schools until we are receiving the same check as them.
And Southern Miss didn't meet either threshold... such was the original point.
Even with a state double the size of Idaho, even with metro areas totally about 2,000,000 people within a hour to hour and a half drives, even with 8 conference championships, even with 17 straight winning seasons, and two Division II national championships, Southern Miss's best case scenario is a 22-team cluster17 amalgam of the corpses left over in Mountain West and Conference USA...
But hey, maybe then their slogan with come true...
Anybody - Since, literally, they're going to need to draft FCS and D2 teams to fill out a full conference roster. I hear Millsaps and Blue Mountain are on the Mouncusa West radar.
Anywhere - Since Ted Stevens University of Alaska and Toronto Polytechnic are in line for Mouncusa bids, they're literally going to be anywhere.
Anytime - You thought those midnight Friday games on CBS College Sports Network were hard to find/care about/stay up for, wait until they're a program that's begging to join the Sun Belt.
Even with a state double the size of Idaho, even with metro areas totally about 2,000,000 people within a hour to hour and a half drives, even with 8 conference championships, even with 17 straight winning seasons, and two Division II national championships, Southern Miss's best case scenario is a 22-team cluster17 amalgam of the corpses left over in Mountain West and Conference USA...
But hey, maybe then their slogan with come true...
Anybody - Since, literally, they're going to need to draft FCS and D2 teams to fill out a full conference roster. I hear Millsaps and Blue Mountain are on the Mouncusa West radar.
Anywhere - Since Ted Stevens University of Alaska and Toronto Polytechnic are in line for Mouncusa bids, they're literally going to be anywhere.
Anytime - You thought those midnight Friday games on CBS College Sports Network were hard to find/care about/stay up for, wait until they're a program that's begging to join the Sun Belt.