The CL and Rick weigh in on Turner vs Stans Text-gate...

[fishwater99]

"Turner also said he can produce text messages that were exchanged between him and an assistant coach in which Turner expressed his intent to return to State and play his senior season."


As for State, if Dee Bost wins his appeal and comes back the Bulldogs will be at their scholarship limit. If not, they'll be one under their limit. Regardless, Turner says the door is closed on him.
"I was told there is not a walk-on opportunity for me," Turner says.</p>

Again, it's an unfortunate ending. And a huge failure to communicate.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100629/COL0504/6290336/1177/SPORTS/Puzzling-how-Stansbury-Turner-failed-to-connect

Way to Stay Classy Stans......

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[fishwater99]

"Turner also said he can produce text messages that were exchanged between him and an assistant coach in which Turner expressed his intent to return to State and play his senior season."


As for State, if Dee Bost wins his appeal and comes back the Bulldogs will be at their scholarship limit. If not, they'll be one under their limit. Regardless, Turner says the door is closed on him.
"I was told there is not a walk-on opportunity for me," Turner says.</p>

Again, it's an unfortunate ending. And a huge failure to communicate.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100629/COL0504/6290336/1177/SPORTS/Puzzling-how-Stansbury-Turner-failed-to-connect

Way to Stay Classy Stans......

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[fishwater99]

"Turner also said he can produce text messages that were exchanged between him and an assistant coach in which Turner expressed his intent to return to State and play his senior season."


As for State, if Dee Bost wins his appeal and comes back the Bulldogs will be at their scholarship limit. If not, they'll be one under their limit. Regardless, Turner says the door is closed on him.
"I was told there is not a walk-on opportunity for me," Turner says.</p>

Again, it's an unfortunate ending. And a huge failure to communicate.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100629/COL0504/6290336/1177/SPORTS/Puzzling-how-Stansbury-Turner-failed-to-connect

Way to Stay Classy Stans......

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[dawgstudent]

unless Turner is just a complete *** to coach.

 

[patdog]

unless Turner is just a complete *** to coach.

This wasn't about a failure to communicate, or having to free up a scholarship. This was about Stans deciding that he'd had enough of dealing with Turner, so he kicked him off the team.

 

[basedog]

yes! But being a 5th year senior Turner did himself in by not being visible to the team or coaches. He knows what needed to be done and he didn't do it. It's called lack of leadership by a senior. He isn't a kid, for faulting Stans on this situation shouldn't be as players have to take a lead by leading by example not trying to play the "I" game. Turner should have been a positive for the team not a negative which is what has happened.
Yeah, Stans probably could have picked up the phone, but it isn't his style right or wrong but Turner knows Stans and he should have taken a leadership role with the team and he didn't.
I'm tired of players putting the "I" before "We". Good for Stans!

 

[jcdawgman18]

You're willing to put up with a lot more from your second leading scorer and your point guard than you are from a guy who shot 27% from 3 and 34% overall.

Another thing: As stupid as Dee was, when he decided he made a mistake he immediately came back here and, from all accounts, started working a lot harder than he ever has before. Gotta give him credit for that at least.

 

[Coach34]

amazing

It is what it is- Stansbury had a chance to get Moultrie, so he booted Turner...you notice none of this came out about Turner until Moultrie signed

Let's get rid of a guy that has busted his *** for us the last 4 years...yeah, great move "family man"

 

[dawgstudent]

[No message]

 

[Coach34]

and its his Senior year- I wouldnt be for Cohen running off a Senior either- you let them finish it on out

 

[RobbieRandolph]

Yeah I thought so. Croom used to cut 5th years that weren't going to play. Stansbury has to worry about what's best for the program. In this situation, evidently having Moultrie on schollie was better for the program than having Turner. We're flush with guards next year anyways.

Deal with it.

 

[patdog]

let's get rid of a guy who shot 27% from the 3-point line, 33% overall, took bad shots and had a bad attitude.

 

[dawgstudent]

is that he would bust his *** on the court and he was really the only guy who would get nasty.

 

[patdog]

just that there are reasons to justify it. With Turner, you've got to take the bad with the good and learn to live with a lot of inconsistency. Obsiously, Stans decided the bad outweighed the good.

 

[Coach34]

regardless of what Saban did- and I doubt Saban cut anyone that has made some career starts and plays alot...this isnt cutting a 5th year that wasnt going to play- this was cutting your 6th man

 

[tenureplan]

His fullcourt and inbounding defense was the best I have ever seen at State.

 

[Jackdragbean]

If a coach thinks a guy is a cancer, he can boot him. To say that you don't think that is completely bullcrap to further your agenda against Stansbury. You know it. I know you like to fish around to get a rise out of people on here.....especially concerning Stans, but when you make these kinds of comments, you sound like a complete dumbass. "Cohen didn't recruit Polk's players" Yeah, well I've heard you complain about Croom getting rid of alot of Jackie's players. As a coach, you boot players when they're a problem that seems to hurt your team or undermines your authority. If he was just getting rid of someone to open up a scholly, Benock would have been the odd man out. This dealt with Turner's attitude and mouth.

 

[paindonthurt_]

turner was good though.

 

[tenureplan]

I remember seeing several instances where Turner took over a timeout. Some may argue this was a good thing, and I will concede it may have been at times; but I am sure Rick viewed it as undermining his authority.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

Smith and the JuCo kid are probably more talented, but less experienced.

But you read alot on the interwebz, so you're probably right.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

I recall Gary Ervin being quite the defensive asset.

 

[Coach34]

"If a coach thinks a guy is a cancer, he can boot him"


When did Turner suddenly become a cancer? Kodi and Bost called out Stansbury in the newspaper, Ravern didnt come to practice...what did Turner do besides play harder than anybody we had except Varnado and Stewart?


"Yeah, well I've heard you complain about Croom getting rid of alot of Jackie's players"

Croom ran off talented players to make a point...and we saw where that got him- fired


"If he was just getting rid of someone to open up a scholly, Benock would have been the odd man out."

Why? Stands plays him inexplicably every game. And we probably need him for the GPA boost


This is simple- he got rid of a hard-playing Sr to bring in what is deemed to be a more talented player. It is what it is. Dont make ******** excuses, that is simply what he did. Some will support it, others wont. Personally, I dont

 

[tenureplan]

His experience, tenacity, and hustle would far outweigh any slight talent increase from any of the new guys. I really thought he would have a great chance of starting at the 3 this year with ravern moving to the 2.

 

[jcdawgman18]

Because Phil can't dribble and he can't guard 2s or 3s. He gets lost defensively when he has to play man to man against someone like that. That's why he played the four, because that way we could hide him some and take advantage of his ability to play help defense.

 

[topequisdog]

are garbage when you're talking about the team's best defender and only player that consistently hustled on the defensive side of the ball. Derek Fisher shot 42% from the field and 20% from 3 against Boston, but is anyone going to downplay his importance in that series? Without him, Ray Allen has wide open looks and does not spend his time getting harassed at every possible moment. Phil coming off the bench into a game, to play the 4 in many cases, at 6'3" and still produce is more than 80% of the scholly players can say on last year's team. <div>
</div><div>Phil was 2nd on the team in steals (despite not being in the top 5 in minutes played), 4th in blocks (at 6'3"), 3rd in defensive rebounds, 3rd in offensive rebounds, 4th in total rebounds, 3rd in assists, 1st in FT percentage...</div><div>
</div><div>It's amazing how quickly people discount the intangibles in basketball and focus on scoring statistics. Face it, Turner was a much needed commodity this year, and would be next year. He's not a 20pts/6reb guy, but he is someone that could take the floor and hold down the other team's biggest threats for decent amounts of the game.</div>

 

[tenureplan]

I think you have Turner's defense confused with Ravern's. After Leslie scorched Ravern for 30 minutes, Turner shut him down...man to man I might add. I've seen you make the lack of Turner man to man D before and I just think it is unfounded. Got examples?</p>

 

[Coach34]

Turner was an outstanding defender- I think we all agree Ravern is a scorer- put Turner on him and he wouldnt score 10 points in any game...

defense and rebounding was not Phil's problem in any way, shape, or form

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Anyone saying Turner was a cancer is a damn buffoon. If Stans rids the team of cancers, then why are Kodi and Ravern still on the roster? Phil is the only player that showed heart and desire every minute he was on the court, which is very uncommon in a Stansbury run program. This is Stansbury's ego on a power trip.

Stansbury is the LEADER of the program (unfortunately), so when a player acts irresponsible and childish, it's up to him to "wipe his ***." He recruited him/them, so he has to communicate and lead them from time to time.

Turner will be a big loss, and our next season will suffer for it.

 

[fishwater99]

Because Phil can't dribble and he can't guard 2s or 3s. He gets lost defensively when he has to play man to man against someone like that. That's why he played the four, because that way we could hide him some and take advantage of his ability to play help defense.

Phil was a great defender, probably our 2nd best after Randy this past year.

 

[jcdawgman18]

Leslie had 14 points that game. He averaged 15 a game. That's just a good game, not a great game. While I'm sure Ravern's defense wasn't great, I wouldn't exactly say that he was getting torched.
Second, we changed to the press at about the time you're referring to, so to completely credit Phil for that (against Leslie, anyway) is not really looking at the whole picture. The whole flow of the game was changed by doing that. Yes, Phil was huge in that press, but what does that have to do with his ability to guard Leslie one on one?
Third, no, I cannot think of specific examples of times where I watched Phil struggle to guard 2s and 3s off the top of my head, but I remember them. If you'll remember, we didn't play Phil at anything but the four the vast majority of the time, so he didn't do it that often. But when he did, I remember being surprised by how easily people beat him. It didn't make sense to me, because Phil is definitely athletic enough to guard those positions, but for some reason he can't. I guess it's kind of like Marcus Washinton: could run with anyone, but he always fell for the play action or basically any move the receiver made. That's always how Phil looked when trying to guard someone like himself.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Phil guarding Tyler Smith one on one in the 2009 SEC Tournament Championship, and shutting him down. He even had 2 or 3 blocks on Smith that game. That's awfully impressive, considering the size and supposed skill difference.

 

[jcdawgman18]

The 4. Not the 2 or the 3.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

It's really not that hard to figure out.

When Phil said that he was told he couldn't even come back as a walk on, it's pretty obvious that he's not wanted. We could at least invite him back as a walk on, and if Bost didn't get reinstated we could give his scholly to Turner, or have him as a walk on regardless. But if we didn't want that, then we just didn't want him back period.

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">Bottom line is Stans basically cut him to give the schollies to the players that he thought would make us the best basketball team we can be</span>. It may be a 'low' blow. It may also be a bad decision that we can disagree with, b/c personally I think Turner would be a great role player on this team. But the bottom line is Stans thought we were better without him.

It's also obvious that he didn't call him b/c he wanted to hide behind his story that he didn't think he was going to come back and he could justify it that way. Stans knew that if he called him, Phil would say that he wanted to come back, or that he might want to, and that would've put Stans in a position that he didn't want to be in, having to tell a returning senior that he's not welcome. Therefore, he shamefully didn't call to hide behind the "I didn't think he wanted to come back"

 

[fishwater99]

<span style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline">Bottom line is Stans basically cut him to give the schollies to the players that he thought would make us the best basketball team we can be</span>. It may be a 'low' blow. It may also be a bad decision that we can disagree with, b/c personally I think Turner would be a great role player on this team. But the bottom line is Stans thought we were better without him.

It's also obvious that he didn't call him b/c he wanted to hide behind his story that he didn't think he was going to come back and he could justify it that way. Stans knew that if he called him, Phil would say that he wanted to come back, or that he might want to, and that would've put Stans in a position that he didn't want to be in, having to tell a returning senior that he's not welcome. Therefore, he shamefully didn't call to hide behind the "I didn't think he wanted to come back"

Stans is one class act........

 

[kired]

Regardless of cancer, shooting %, defensive effort, etc.... how do we have such a failure to communicate? This is pitiful.Like I said before, when would fans find out Phil was off the team if he hadn't posted something on facebook? And how does a coach making millions $$ not even call& talk to one of his few returning players? This would be like getting an automated message or e-mailfrom my company telling me I was laid off instead of my manager having the balls to sit down & tell me they were letting me go.

I've always like Stans as a person even if I sometimes disagree with his coaching philosophy, but this whole situation is a huge failure in my book. Sure Phil had some part in it, but he's a player - not the freaking professional head coach getting paid million$ to do a job. He has more responsibility than Phil & should be held to a higher standard.</p>

 

[mstateglfr]

<span class="post-title">With 3 new incoming guards, you sure he was gonna be #6?</span>
Smith and the JuCo kid are probably more talented, but less experienced.

But you read alot on the interwebz, so you're probably right.

With Stewart gone, Osby gone, and Bost gone...sure he could be #6.

If not #6, then #7. Regardless of #, he could have been one of the first off the bench.
And his skill set allows him to play on the perimeter and inside.

Hell, he is better at getting into the paint from the wing for a rebound or to open up a passing lane than anybody on last year's team or the year before that.

We have a JUCO guard coming in who is apparently talented yet not at all elite. A redshirt freshman guard with size and a perpetual broken hip. And then a true freshman who was anything but elite in the rankings yet can score.

With that group coming in and Stewart, Bost, and Osby out...yeah i would figure on Turner playing a good bit next season. Unless the JUCO player is a stud, Smith's hip suddenly feels good for the first time in 3 summers, and Steele managed to go under the recruiting radar big time.
I cant see that perfect storm coming together though.

 

[tenureplan]

Where some coaches run their teams like a family others run it like a business. Stans is the latter. I think most of the most successful coaches are the former though. When a player looks at you as a father, he is going to play harder for you. Stans is more like the CEO who isn't going to get his hands dirty when it comes to firing a front line employee. It's probably because he has a hard enough time keeping up with the 15 kids of his own.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Where some coaches run their teams like a family others run it like a business. Stans is the latter. I think most of the most successful coaches are the former though. When a player looks at you as a father, he is going to play harder for you. Stans is more like the CEO who isn't going to get his hands dirty when it comes to firing a front line employee. It's probably because he has a hard enough time keeping up with the 15 kids of his own.

He's running the business into the ground.

 

[tenureplan]

running the program into the ground. Is there some mismanagement? Yes. Show me a company in the US where there isn't. Does his style create a self imposed glass ceiling? It does seem like it.

 

[patdog]

You really want a coach to keep a player around if he doesn't think that player will help us be the best team we can be? It's not like players don't get cut in every sport at every level. Well, except in MSU baseball during the Polk II era.