Coach, can you please provide the exact background of your hatred of all things Stansbury? The genesis of this hatred of the man may allow us to understand and interpret your posts better. Please provide. In detail. No generalizations and bloviation. Thank you.
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Coach, can you please provide the exact background of your hatred of all things Stansbury? The genesis of this hatred of the man may allow us to understand and interpret your posts better. Please provide. In detail. No generalizations and bloviation. Thank you.
just facts...
Stansbury has a .350 winning percentage vs top 25 teams
Stansbury has a .390 winning percentage vs top 50 teams
Stansbury is 12-19 vs the other power conferences
Stansbury has never made a Sweet 16
Stansbury has 1 SEC title in 12 (we are eliminated from this season's too)
Some people think he is doing a good job at State.
I think he does a great job at playing a soft schedule and beating **** teams.
He has made us a decent program- he will never make us avery goodprogram.
Stansbury has a .350 winning percentage vs top 25 teams
Stansbury has a .390 winning percentage vs top 50 teams
Stansbury is 12-19 vs the other power conferences
Stansbury has never made a Sweet 16
Stansbury has 1 SEC title in 12 (we are eliminated from this season's too)
Some people think he is doing a good job at State.
I think he does a great job at playing a soft schedule and beating **** teams.
He has made us a decent program- he will never make us avery goodprogram.
The two coaches prior to Richard Williams had losing overall records. And even though Richard Williams did make the Sweet 16 and Final Four, he also had several losing seasons as well- including one after the Final Four, and then a .500 overall record the year after that. Just pointing out that yes, he took over a mess from Bob Boyd, but it wasn't like he rebuilt it and all momentum after that. Heck, Richard Williams had a hard time winning a game in the SEC Tournament for awhile, much less the NCAA Tournament.
And if you look at Richard's career records, there were plenty of losses to UT-Chattanooga and the now infamous loss to Arkansas-Little Rock with the Final Four team.
I didn't spend any time looking up winning percentages vs Top 25 or 50 or power conferences, but I can't imagine it would be better than what Stansbury has done at MSU.
You also have to remember that even during the Richard Williams era, most State fans would have been very happy to make the NIT. Now because of Rick Stansbury, we pretty much expect to go to the Big Dance and are disappointed to make the NIT. Now we are almost always at least in the discussion of top 25 teams- even this year we were discussed, and I think we were even ranked at one point in time this year. Our schedule is comparable to what we have always had throughout our history. We are winning 20 games a year, and you can say that's because our schedule is "soft", but we have an awful lot of SEC West Championships to make me believe that we are just feasting on weak OOC teams.
I disagree- Stansbury has taken us from a decent program to a very good program. Will he take us from a very good program to a top tier program- probably not, but that's the million dollar question- can MSU hire someone that could? I'm hesitant to say no, but it's not a slam dunk either. I would daresay that Mississippi produces very few good basketball players as it is. It's not like football or even baseball where we always have a good crop of players every year. And yes, I am aware of the "Fab 5" or whatever they call themselves coming up, but how often has a group like that come along? We start only one native Mississippian as it is, and then have two that come off of the bench. Firing Stansbury wouldn't be like firing a guy like Croom that was losing every year, or even a guy like Polk, who technically resigned and probably wouldn't have been fired after one losing season even by the Ninja, who was clearly past his prime. Those were situations where it was obvious that some fresh blood coming in would help, and that's just not the case here.
And if you look at Richard's career records, there were plenty of losses to UT-Chattanooga and the now infamous loss to Arkansas-Little Rock with the Final Four team.
I didn't spend any time looking up winning percentages vs Top 25 or 50 or power conferences, but I can't imagine it would be better than what Stansbury has done at MSU.
You also have to remember that even during the Richard Williams era, most State fans would have been very happy to make the NIT. Now because of Rick Stansbury, we pretty much expect to go to the Big Dance and are disappointed to make the NIT. Now we are almost always at least in the discussion of top 25 teams- even this year we were discussed, and I think we were even ranked at one point in time this year. Our schedule is comparable to what we have always had throughout our history. We are winning 20 games a year, and you can say that's because our schedule is "soft", but we have an awful lot of SEC West Championships to make me believe that we are just feasting on weak OOC teams.
I disagree- Stansbury has taken us from a decent program to a very good program. Will he take us from a very good program to a top tier program- probably not, but that's the million dollar question- can MSU hire someone that could? I'm hesitant to say no, but it's not a slam dunk either. I would daresay that Mississippi produces very few good basketball players as it is. It's not like football or even baseball where we always have a good crop of players every year. And yes, I am aware of the "Fab 5" or whatever they call themselves coming up, but how often has a group like that come along? We start only one native Mississippian as it is, and then have two that come off of the bench. Firing Stansbury wouldn't be like firing a guy like Croom that was losing every year, or even a guy like Polk, who technically resigned and probably wouldn't have been fired after one losing season even by the Ninja, who was clearly past his prime. Those were situations where it was obvious that some fresh blood coming in would help, and that's just not the case here.
I asked this question the other day and nobody answered- how many other SEC teams beside Kentucky have won a National Championship before 1990?
Acting like we are the only SEC team without a giant history in basketball is crazy. Conferences used to get 1 team in the Tourney until the 1980's. Since basketball moved into the modern age of say 1985, we have been a middle of the pack SEC team- especially since 1990.
"and you can say that's because our schedule is "soft", but we have an awful lot of SEC West Championships to make me believe that we are just feasting on weak OOC teams."
Only 2 SEC West teams have winning conference records over the last 10 years...and LSU has as many West titles as we do since Stansbury took over
Acting like we are the only SEC team without a giant history in basketball is crazy. Conferences used to get 1 team in the Tourney until the 1980's. Since basketball moved into the modern age of say 1985, we have been a middle of the pack SEC team- especially since 1990.
"and you can say that's because our schedule is "soft", but we have an awful lot of SEC West Championships to make me believe that we are just feasting on weak OOC teams."
Only 2 SEC West teams have winning conference records over the last 10 years...and LSU has as many West titles as we do since Stansbury took over
that SEC title is the only true SEC title in football or basketball for a school in Mississippi in 47years (Williams technicallyshared a title with LSU too, but Kentucky finished with a better SEC record thaneither MSU or LSUbut couldn't win the title because they were on probation).Coach34 said:
If they answered the questions truthfully, they'd be defending your points.
Bottom line is Stansbury has brought the MSU basketball to a CONSISTENT level never seen before, but we are only a DECENT program. His record against the top 25 and top 50 shows that. I like what he has done, but I want more and am willing to take the chance for more.
Bottom line is Stansbury has brought the MSU basketball to a CONSISTENT level never seen before, but we are only a DECENT program. His record against the top 25 and top 50 shows that. I like what he has done, but I want more and am willing to take the chance for more.
Yeah, kinda funny how we complain that we have just ONE SEC title. Haven't ever won one in football and haven't won one in baseball in 20 years. Winning two SEC tourney titles also conveniently gets left out, but that's a pretty big accomplishment as well.patdog said:
to the rest of the NCAA. Throw in a Sweet 16 or better run every 5 or 6 years and I'd be happy. Hell throw one in and I'd be happy.
The stats are the truth and undeniable.
Stans has had a couple of years where luck really payed off and turned the decent program into a good program for a singular season. Top of my mind is the transfer of Roberts from Baylor.
Stans has also had a run of players heading to the NBA. Could have, would have, should have, but never did. Move on and find others because it will happen again and happens to every program.
Stans has raised the consistency of the program to a better place, but I think he has reached his maximum effectiveness and someone needs to be brought in to raise it to a new level. Or he needs to bring in some new people to help him do it. In my opinion it starts with offensive strategy and structure. The offensive system that has been used by Stans over his career just does not cut it. Defense has gotten much better over the last several years and at points is good enough to compete, but with the help of a better offensive game-plan and system.
Stans has had a couple of years where luck really payed off and turned the decent program into a good program for a singular season. Top of my mind is the transfer of Roberts from Baylor.
Stans has also had a run of players heading to the NBA. Could have, would have, should have, but never did. Move on and find others because it will happen again and happens to every program.
Stans has raised the consistency of the program to a better place, but I think he has reached his maximum effectiveness and someone needs to be brought in to raise it to a new level. Or he needs to bring in some new people to help him do it. In my opinion it starts with offensive strategy and structure. The offensive system that has been used by Stans over his career just does not cut it. Defense has gotten much better over the last several years and at points is good enough to compete, but with the help of a better offensive game-plan and system.
to the draft? Ok, I'm starting to get it now. When good things happen, it's all luck. When bad things happen, we should just chalk it up to '**** happens'. When we win, it's all because of the players. When we lose, it's all because of the coach.
How convenient.
How convenient.
We did have an in with LR's family being from MS. But Arizona was hot after him. Rick & staff worked their asses off to get him to Starkville.
And, please enlighten us as to all the programs that have had as many signees as we've had never play a minute in college. I'll be eagerly awaiting your list. And let's be clear - we are a good program, but not an elite one. So careful who you compare us to, because it might not help your argument.
And, please enlighten us as to all the programs that have had as many signees as we've had never play a minute in college. I'll be eagerly awaiting your list. And let's be clear - we are a good program, but not an elite one. So careful who you compare us to, because it might not help your argument.
When something good happens (LR), it's Stansbury's good luck.
When something bad happens (high school to NBA), it's time to move on.
Try to be consistent.
It is also embarrassing to see the word "payed" on a college sports message board.
When something bad happens (high school to NBA), it's time to move on.
Try to be consistent.
It is also embarrassing to see the word "payed" on a college sports message board.
Are you talking about the last 12 years? Seems to me we have been better than the middle of the pack, I would say we are in the top 4 with Stans.
Btw, the thing with you and Stans may not be hatred in your mind, but I can't recall you giving him any credit for what he has done. As for as playing a weak non-conference, maybe, but the problem he does have islosing to teams we should beat but he also wins games he should lose as well. It evens out, you just don't run down a coach who happens to be your winningest coach in your school history time after time. Come on 34, give Stans some credit as he's been a positive for Msu basketball not a negative.
Btw, the thing with you and Stans may not be hatred in your mind, but I can't recall you giving him any credit for what he has done. As for as playing a weak non-conference, maybe, but the problem he does have islosing to teams we should beat but he also wins games he should lose as well. It evens out, you just don't run down a coach who happens to be your winningest coach in your school history time after time. Come on 34, give Stans some credit as he's been a positive for Msu basketball not a negative.
I had lunch the other day with an MSU grad who is a Shrink and he reads the Six Pack now that I told him about it. He told me there are people in the world who will go to any length to always be right and they become so obsessed that it affects their personality, life, and mental health.Coach can tell us that he doesn't hate anybody but that is a load of crap. Folks like this, when proven wrong ,tend to distort facts and ultimately attack anybody and anything to always subcontinously make themselves look good. I am convinced Coach either fits this mold or is a closet rebel knowing full well that if he succeeds in running off a successful coach, he ultimately helps his team. Sad Sad indeed. Rick Stansbury is not perfect but he is a good coach and is an even better person. We can talk all we want to about the SEC being down but it is what it is. Tenn beat a good Kansas team and Kentucky has the best pro talent money can buy in the country with 4 NBA players in the future. Coach is going to be on here everytime we lose telling us why we shouldn't have and it is always coaching. He proved that last night when he called out Stansbury for the last play by Bost in regulation. He has no idea what was designed but it always fits his agenda. Bost may have not made the right decision but he sure as hell made a bunch of good ones last night. Most of us are happy but one thing is for sure, the Haters are miserable. Sick Sick Sick. Enough said.
for your excellent analysis of my psyche...
As far as basketball goes, the last play is just very typical of us having a lack of offense. Instead of just letting us ball as he usually does and get a shot to win the game- Tex Winter decides to call a time-out and show us a dynamite play he has for the end of the game. And we dont even get a shot off.
Its painfully obvious to most about our lack of an offense except to you and a couple of others on here, and then it's just a coincidence we dont even get a shot off after Stansbury calls a time-out to set up a play. If that's what you want to tell yourself, knock yourself out
As far as basketball goes, the last play is just very typical of us having a lack of offense. Instead of just letting us ball as he usually does and get a shot to win the game- Tex Winter decides to call a time-out and show us a dynamite play he has for the end of the game. And we dont even get a shot off.
Its painfully obvious to most about our lack of an offense except to you and a couple of others on here, and then it's just a coincidence we dont even get a shot off after Stansbury calls a time-out to set up a play. If that's what you want to tell yourself, knock yourself out
Hell, you have no idea what they drew up and maybe they thought he would penetrate and get hacked, which by the way he did, but the zebras let it go just like other calls they let go. He could have made a pass to the open three players who were open., he didn't but in your sick pathological mind it was Stansbury's fault.Our offense last night was very similiar to what Auburn did but we defended better and made some shots when we needed them. Of course the out of bounds play we ran with 2 seconds on the clock gets no comment from you because gee, you reckon our coaches drew that one up? Get a life and get some help. You need it!
Kentucky, Fla, and Tennessee are ahead of us in wins and everything else. thats 3 right there. LSU has just as many West titles, 3 overall titles to our 1, they have a Final Four, and a Sweet 16 to our none. Our 2 conference tourney titles dont outweigh that. and we have exactly 2 more wins than they do in conference the last 10 years.
So, based on success, I'd have to say we are 5th- which is "middle of the pack" as I said. We are one of the few teams to not have a Sweet 16 in the last 12 years. Vandy has 2, and they would be alot better in conference if they didnt have to play the Big 3 from the East twice each year compared to our once.
Middle of the pack is what we are in the SEC, and as a college basketball writer says in my sig- "Stansbury hasnt been that successful"...he has made us decent and consistent. And with our history, it didnt take that much to be our winningest coach.
So, based on success, I'd have to say we are 5th- which is "middle of the pack" as I said. We are one of the few teams to not have a Sweet 16 in the last 12 years. Vandy has 2, and they would be alot better in conference if they didnt have to play the Big 3 from the East twice each year compared to our once.
Middle of the pack is what we are in the SEC, and as a college basketball writer says in my sig- "Stansbury hasnt been that successful"...he has made us decent and consistent. And with our history, it didnt take that much to be our winningest coach.
His grandparents lived at least 4hours away from Starkville. They could have taken a flight to see him play at Arizona or Kansas almost as easily as they could have driven to Starkville to see him play. The bottom line is, Stans outrecruited both of them for Roberts, and they both wanted him pretty badly.MSUCostanza said:
<table width="285px" align="right" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><caption>Men's Basketball Summary</caption><tbody><tr><td colspan="5" align="center" bgcolor="#cc9900">
</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">School</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Last Reg. Season Title</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Number of Reg. Season Titles</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Last Tourney Title</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Number of Tourney Titles</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Alabama</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2002</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">7</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1991</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">6</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Arkansas</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1994</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2000</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Auburn</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1999</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1985</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Florida</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2007</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">4</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2007</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">3</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Georgia</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1990</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2008</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Georgia Tech*</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1938</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1938</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Kentucky</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2005</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">43</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2004</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">25</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">LSU</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2009</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">10</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1980</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Mississippi</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Never</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">0</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1981</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Mississippi State</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2004</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">6</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2009</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">3</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">South Carolina</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1997</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">never</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">0</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Tennessee</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2008</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">9</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1979</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">4</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Vanderbilt</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1993</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">3</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1951</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr></tbody></table>
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</th></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Arkansas</td></tr><tr><td>1993</td><td>Vanderbilt</td><td>Arkansas</td></tr><tr><td>1994</td><td>Florida/Kentucky</td><td>Arkansas</td></tr><tr><td>1995</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Arkansas/Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>1997</td><td>South Carolina</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>1998</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>1999</td><td>Tennessee</td><td>Auburn</td></tr><tr><td>2000</td><td>Florida/Kentucky/Tennessee</td><td>LSU</td></tr><tr><td>2001</td><td>Florida/Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>2002</td><td>Florida/Kentucky/Georgia</td><td>Alabama</td></tr><tr><td>2003</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>2004</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>2005</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Alabama/LSU</td></tr><tr><td>2006</td><td>Tennessee</td><td>LSU</td></tr><tr><td>2007</td><td>Florida</td><td>Mississippi State/Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>2008</td><td>Tennessee</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>2009</td><td>Tennessee/South Carolina</td><td>LSU</td></tr></tbody></table>
</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">School</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Last Reg. Season Title</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Number of Reg. Season Titles</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Last Tourney Title</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Number of Tourney Titles</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Alabama</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2002</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">7</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1991</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">6</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Arkansas</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1994</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2000</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Auburn</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1999</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1985</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Florida</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2007</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">4</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2007</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">3</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Georgia</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1990</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2008</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Georgia Tech*</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1938</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1938</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Kentucky</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2005</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">43</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2004</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">25</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">LSU</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2009</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">10</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1980</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Mississippi</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">Never</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">0</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1981</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Mississippi State</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2004</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">6</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2009</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">3</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">South Carolina</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1997</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">never</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">0</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Tennessee</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">2008</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">9</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1979</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">4</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#efefef">Vanderbilt</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1993</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">3</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1951</td><td bgcolor="#dfefff">1</td></tr></tbody></table>
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</th></tr><tr><td>1992</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Arkansas</td></tr><tr><td>1993</td><td>Vanderbilt</td><td>Arkansas</td></tr><tr><td>1994</td><td>Florida/Kentucky</td><td>Arkansas</td></tr><tr><td>1995</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Arkansas/Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>1996</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>1997</td><td>South Carolina</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>1998</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>1999</td><td>Tennessee</td><td>Auburn</td></tr><tr><td>2000</td><td>Florida/Kentucky/Tennessee</td><td>LSU</td></tr><tr><td>2001</td><td>Florida/Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>2002</td><td>Florida/Kentucky/Georgia</td><td>Alabama</td></tr><tr><td>2003</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>2004</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>2005</td><td>Kentucky</td><td>Alabama/LSU</td></tr><tr><td>2006</td><td>Tennessee</td><td>LSU</td></tr><tr><td>2007</td><td>Florida</td><td>Mississippi State/Mississippi</td></tr><tr><td>2008</td><td>Tennessee</td><td>Mississippi State</td></tr><tr><td>2009</td><td>Tennessee/South Carolina</td><td>LSU</td></tr></tbody></table>
say what you want about us pre-Stansbury, Ole Miss baseball was a steaming pile of monkey **** before Bianco got there. I understand they have really upped the ante on support and facilities, but you can't get rid of that guy when he keeps making Super Regionals.
Some years, Bama is better, some years LSU is better, and some years Ole Miss is a good team. You can't say- Well that's not a good win because over a ten year average that team had a below .500 record. With that logic, losing to the Saints this year was a bad loss for a NFL team.
And that's even more reason to keep Stansbury around- he has consistently won where others haven't.
And what teams prior to 1985 would have definately gotten in under the current, modern format? Some yes, but I can guarantee you that it wouldn't be at the consistent rate that Stansbury has done. The only coach that even rivals what Stansbury has done is Babe McCarthy.
And that's even more reason to keep Stansbury around- he has consistently won where others haven't.
And what teams prior to 1985 would have definately gotten in under the current, modern format? Some yes, but I can guarantee you that it wouldn't be at the consistent rate that Stansbury has done. The only coach that even rivals what Stansbury has done is Babe McCarthy.
I thought Stans is 3rd in wins since he became HC. I wouldn't rate Vandy ahead of us, what the hell have they won? If all it takes is to go to the sweet 16, then maybe you are right but I don't see it like that. Tn has been better since Pearl took over, but in the last 12 years, Ky and Fl are the only teams I say over Stans reign as HC. If you ask SEC coaches about Stans they wouldn't agree with what you say, now "fish wrap" folks yeah cause they have to sell papers or internet services!
Hey, I don't think Stans does everything correct, but overall he has been very good for Msu, is it enough, well by your standards no but a couple of sweet 16 appearences could put this conversation on the self, right?
Hey, I don't think Stans does everything correct, but overall he has been very good for Msu, is it enough, well by your standards no but a couple of sweet 16 appearences could put this conversation on the self, right?
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/281335#reply-281335basedog said:
And if you are talking overall, notSEC, not a fair comparision when you compare our OOC to the other top teams of the SEC...we are below them every year in SOS...getting a bunch of wins vs Valley,SE Louisiana,and Jacksonville State every year doesnt make you a successful program
You don't fire successful coaches just because they don't reach arbitrary milestones set by former coaches nicknamed Peaches. Should we have fired Ron Polk back in the early 90's for not winning the CWS? Should we have fired Sherrill 5 years in because he couldn't win a bowl game?
Like I asked the other day, has any SEC coach ever been fired after having a winning season against the SEC? Ever? We would look like the biggest bunch of dubmasses in SEC basketball history for doing that.
Like I asked the other day, has any SEC coach ever been fired after having a winning season against the SEC? Ever? We would look like the biggest bunch of dubmasses in SEC basketball history for doing that.
Come on 34, Stans has had 3 losing conference records over the last 11 years. One losing overall record! His last three years we won the west and we have a good chance to win it again. I don't buy into your theory this doesn't count, it is what it is, the SEC, having won over 55% of your SEC games is pretty darn salty. I know you keep stats so show me the last eleven years who has done better other than maybe Ky and Fl.
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RICK STANSBURY’S CAREER RECORD AS HEAD BASKETBALL COACH AT MSU
1998-9920-13 .606 8-8/t-3rd (W) NIT (1st Rnd) Semis of SEC Tournament
1999-00 14-16 .467 5-11/t-5th (W)
2000-01 18-13 .581 7-9/t-4th (W) NIT (Quarters)
2001-02 27-8 .771 10-6/2nd (W)NCAA (2nd Rnd) 2nd in SEC West; Won SEC trny title
2002-03 21-10 .677 9-7/1st (W) NCAA (1st Rnd) 1st in SEC West; Finals of SEC trny
2003-04 26-4 .867 14-2/1st NCAA (2nd Rnd) 1st in SEC; 1st in SEC West
2004-05 23-11 .676 9-7/3rd (W) NCAA (2nd Rnd) 4th straight winning season in SEC play
2005-06 15-15 .500 5-11/4th (W)
2006-07 21-14 .600 8-8/t-1st (W) NIT (Semifinals) T-1st in SEC West; Semis of SEC trny
2007-08 23-11 .676 12-4/1st (W)NCAA (2nd Rnd) Semis of SEC trny
2008-09 23-13 .639 9-6/1st (W) NCAA (1st Rnd) Won SEC trny title
11-yr totals 231-128 .644 96-80 (.546)6 NCAA; 3 NIT; 1 SEC title;5 West titles;2 SEC trny titles
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RICK STANSBURY’S CAREER RECORD AS HEAD BASKETBALL COACH AT MSU
1998-9920-13 .606 8-8/t-3rd (W) NIT (1st Rnd) Semis of SEC Tournament
1999-00 14-16 .467 5-11/t-5th (W)
2000-01 18-13 .581 7-9/t-4th (W) NIT (Quarters)
2001-02 27-8 .771 10-6/2nd (W)NCAA (2nd Rnd) 2nd in SEC West; Won SEC trny title
2002-03 21-10 .677 9-7/1st (W) NCAA (1st Rnd) 1st in SEC West; Finals of SEC trny
2003-04 26-4 .867 14-2/1st NCAA (2nd Rnd) 1st in SEC; 1st in SEC West
2004-05 23-11 .676 9-7/3rd (W) NCAA (2nd Rnd) 4th straight winning season in SEC play
2005-06 15-15 .500 5-11/4th (W)
2006-07 21-14 .600 8-8/t-1st (W) NIT (Semifinals) T-1st in SEC West; Semis of SEC trny
2007-08 23-11 .676 12-4/1st (W)NCAA (2nd Rnd) Semis of SEC trny
2008-09 23-13 .639 9-6/1st (W) NCAA (1st Rnd) Won SEC trny title
11-yr totals 231-128 .644 96-80 (.546)6 NCAA; 3 NIT; 1 SEC title;5 West titles;2 SEC trny titles
dont make the Tourney this season and miss it again next season, I think he should be gone. And I'm not the only one that thinks that. We can do better than 2 trips in 6 years
We just have to let it play out in that respect. In the meantime we just get to sit around and discuss each game and enjoy the magic that is Coach Stansbury
We just have to let it play out in that respect. In the meantime we just get to sit around and discuss each game and enjoy the magic that is Coach Stansbury
Yeah, LSU has a better basketball program and better basketball coach. They are currently 0-11 in the SEC and MSU is currently tied for 3rd in the overall SEC. You lose some credibility right there, although I figure you're really just stretching it to make your point. I doubt you would over and over strongly argue that LSU's basketball program is in better shape than MSU's. <div>Coach34 said:
<div>When it was first brought up in the national media a few years ago, we WERE 3rd in the SEC. Pearl and UT passed us in the past 3 seasons. Even so, we will even up within a game of UT "over the past 10 years" after this season. Having said that, Pearl does have the two Sweet Sixteens at UT already, so I have no problem giving up 3rd place to them. Thatputs us back to 4th. </div><div>
</div><div>So you think we're going to be able to fire Stansbury and get another coach that will do what UK, UF, and UT have done? When Bama, LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Georgia, South Carolina, and Vandy can't? All of those schools other than OM have more money available for basketball than Mississippi State. </div><div>
</div><div>I would venture to say that even if we got a Calipari clone, we still would never match up with UK and UF's past 10 years, so at BEST we'd do would be to pass Tennessee and move from an average of 4th to 3rd in the SEC. If other much richer SEC schools can't keep up with Stansbury, the odds are our next coach wouldn't either. </div><div>
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I know most don't care and this is off the main topic but your signature quoting Clay Travis is misleading. You are not misquoting him that I can tell but you are attributing to him expertise that the author himself does not claim.
Clay Travis is a football writer not a basketball writer. 90+% of his columns regarding college sports at AOL Fanhouse or when he was at CBS relate to college football. Most of those columns are on SEC football. His best known works are a book where he attends a home football game at every SEC stadium and another where he has unfettered access to the Tennessee football program in what happens to be Fulmer's last year.
To call him a basketball writer or some kind of expert in basketball is wrong. Even Clay Travis would admit his basketball knowledge is limited. Hell, his employers call him a college football writer not a college basketball writer. His bio from Fanhouse is posted below.
Clay Travis is a football writer not a basketball writer. 90+% of his columns regarding college sports at AOL Fanhouse or when he was at CBS relate to college football. Most of those columns are on SEC football. His best known works are a book where he attends a home football game at every SEC stadium and another where he has unfettered access to the Tennessee football program in what happens to be Fulmer's last year.
To call him a basketball writer or some kind of expert in basketball is wrong. Even Clay Travis would admit his basketball knowledge is limited. Hell, his employers call him a college football writer not a college basketball writer. His bio from Fanhouse is posted below.
- Clay Travis
- Clay Travis is a College Football Writer
for FanHouse - Clay Travis is the author of Dixieland
Delight: A Football Season on the Road in the Southeastern Conference
(Harper Collins, 2007) and former columnist for CBSSports.com. His book
On Rocky Top: A Front-Row Seat to the End of an Era (Harper
Collins) about the University of Tennessee football program is due out
this summer. He's also a former editor at Deadspin.com. He's been
profiled in Sports Illustrated, the Washington Post,
and Time magazine, and has been featured on ESPN, CNN, NPR, and
Good Morning America. A graduate of Vanderbilt Law School,
Travis lives in Nashville with his wife, Laura
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">As far as basketball goes, the last play is just very typical of us having a lack of offense. Instead of just letting us ball as he usually does and get a shot to win the game- Tex Winter decides to call a time-out and show us a dynamite play he has for the end of the game. And we dont even get a shot off.</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Actually last night's play was drawn up pretty well. Dee Bost just made the wrong decision. The play was a high pick and roll with Bost and Jarvis. Jarvis had a clear path to the lane, but it would have been a tough pass for Dee to make so he kept the ball. By the time he got to the goal he had multiple defenders on him and three of our better shooters standing behind the arc alone. I don't know what else you want out of a play other than that. Fact is, if Dee makes a pass to one of those open shooters it looks like a well-drawn up play regardless of whether we make the shot or not. Instead he makes one of the few bad decision that he made last night, kept the ball, and doesn't get a shot off. Of course you put Dee making a bad decision on Stans because obviously Stans told him to take on a double or triple team while his teammates sat and watched. Hell, I've been very critical of some of the plays we run at the end of games, but that was one of the best ones we've run in recent memory. And you and everyone else on here knows that had Stans not called a timeout and just "let us ball" as you wanted him to, that had we missed the shot or not gotten off a shot you would have gone apeshit and claimed that Stans should have called a timeout. That's the problem with you, you can't be objective, and you're gonna find something to ***** about regardless of what happens or how it turns out.</span></div>
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Actually last night's play was drawn up pretty well. Dee Bost just made the wrong decision. The play was a high pick and roll with Bost and Jarvis. Jarvis had a clear path to the lane, but it would have been a tough pass for Dee to make so he kept the ball. By the time he got to the goal he had multiple defenders on him and three of our better shooters standing behind the arc alone. I don't know what else you want out of a play other than that. Fact is, if Dee makes a pass to one of those open shooters it looks like a well-drawn up play regardless of whether we make the shot or not. Instead he makes one of the few bad decision that he made last night, kept the ball, and doesn't get a shot off. Of course you put Dee making a bad decision on Stans because obviously Stans told him to take on a double or triple team while his teammates sat and watched. Hell, I've been very critical of some of the plays we run at the end of games, but that was one of the best ones we've run in recent memory. And you and everyone else on here knows that had Stans not called a timeout and just "let us ball" as you wanted him to, that had we missed the shot or not gotten off a shot you would have gone apeshit and claimed that Stans should have called a timeout. That's the problem with you, you can't be objective, and you're gonna find something to ***** about regardless of what happens or how it turns out.</span></div>
Major props. And Rick calling the T.O. only to draw up and run your basic iso play with our hottest player pretty much sums up his entire coaching ability. I mean, couldn't we at least have tried a double screen for either Bost or Randy? 9 seconds is plenty of time to run something better than the basic iso.