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kcg88

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NC State got in because they had fewer bad losses. Losing to Clemson (NET 60) at home and on a neutral floor by 25 and 26 points? Pittsburgh losing by 31 on a neutral floor to Michigan? Not bad losses. Losing to Seton Hall (NET 77) at home by one is a bad loss. Duh.

Minnesota was clearly a bad loss. Nebraska and Temple? Not great but Temple beat Houston and Villanova while Nebraska beat Creighton, Iowa, Penn State, and Maryland.
 
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NickRU714

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If there can be good losses (Purdue in BTT) then can’t there be bad losses as well?
 
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cant have 4 of them and no non conference win better than a 5th seed in NIT

Minnesota is really a Q4 loss in how horrific it was
 
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kcg88

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Utah State lost to Weber State at home and SMU on a neutral, both of which are as bad or worse than Rutgers one really bad loss at Minnesota. They also lost at San Jose State. But "Rutgers had more bad losses" and so Utah State waltzes in.
 
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Loyal_2RU

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The whole notion of clean sheet ought not be in play. If you want teams competing that have a chance to compete for a championship, you bring in 1) champions and 2) teams that have shown they can complete at the highest level. Not those with the highest floor, but the one with the highest ceiling
 
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Scarlet Shack

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kcg88 said:
NC State got in because they had fewer bad losses. Losing to Clemson (NET 60) at home and on a neutral floor by 25 and 26 points? Pittsburgh losing by 31 on a neutral floor to Michigan? Not bad losses. Losing to Seton Hall (NET 77) at home by one is a bad loss. Duh.

Minnesota was clearly a bad loss. Nebraska and Temple? Not great but Temple beat Houston and Villanova while Nebraska beat Creighton, Iowa, Penn State, and Maryland.
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I was just about to type this

Losing to a 9-11 big ten team who finished .500 is a BAD loss ???

Losing to a 10-10 big east team who findiebd above .500 is w BAD loss ???

Jfc …the metrics are broken !!!

Losing to umass on the road …bad loss last year

Losing to Lafayette at home last head …very bad loss

But not Nebraska and seton hall this year
 
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Scarlet Shack

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kcg88 said:
Utah State lost to Weber State at home and SMU on a neutral, both of which are as bad or worse than Rutgers one really bad loss at Minnesota. They also lost at San Jose State. But "Rutgers had more bad losses" and so Utah State waltzes in.
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Yes

The net is really broken
 
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ScarletKid2008

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Yeah I don’t see how losing to SHU , temple or Neb should be “warts” on a resume. None of those teams were horrific. All middle of the pack in good to very good conferences.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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Still trying to understand how Nevada’s losses are better than ours? Is it just that they had less of them despite playing a much easier schedule? They didn’t really stock pile wins either. They had 21 D1 wins vs our 19.
 
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SirScarlet

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ScarletKid2008 said:
Yeah I don’t see how losing to SHU , temple or Neb should be “warts” on a resume. None of those teams were horrific. All middle of the pack in good to very good conferences.
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shhhh...dont tell the self haters

didnt you hear...we lost to Minny...the rest of the season shouldnt matter.
 
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kcg88 said:
Utah State lost to Weber State at home and SMU on a neutral, both of which are as bad or worse than Rutgers one really bad loss at Minnesota. They also lost at San Jose State. But "Rutgers had more bad losses" and so Utah State waltzes in.
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well i dont disgree there.....just schedule 15 Q3 games
 
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So take Iowa for example... is this accurate? This is from March 6th from an Iowa local sports paper:

  • Quad 3: 1-2
  • Quad 4: 5-1
Is that correct??? Iowa has TWO Quad 3 losses AND one Quad 4 loss???? And they still get an 8-seed? Look, I'm not comparing them to us as in we're better... they spanked us around twice. I don't care. We also beat Penn State twice. But why wasn't the above more of a big deal? How did they still land an 8-seed. Those are THREE terrible losses, no? And we have 4. What am I missing? And that's just one team. I don't have it in me to deep-dive into every 8 and above seed, but people keep saying no bubble teams had losses like us. Well it took me all of 30 seconds of a Google search to find not a bubble team, but an EIGHT seed that has almost as many bad losses as us. Lord knows what I would find if I kept digging.

@bac2therac
 
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RUChoppin

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Committee Chair said that "player availability" impacted selection, and specifically called out Rutgers unprompted. The only specific information coming from the committee is that Mag's absence pulled us out of the field.
 
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Shell21

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kcg88 said:
Utah State lost to Weber State at home and SMU on a neutral, both of which are as bad or worse than Rutgers one really bad loss at Minnesota. They also lost at San Jose State. But "Rutgers had more bad losses" and so Utah State waltzes in.
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nevada lost to a 9-22 wyoming team and won no non conference games to speak of .
 
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Shell21

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the problem is the committee is vague on their selection process and it’s not consistent from year to year or in a given year between teams. They should have some sort of rubric but they want to be vague to cover their asses
 
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sct1111

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RUfubar said:
I read an article earlier about inside the NCAA committee from a couple years ago and they specifically said that wins against the field are much more important than any particular losseshttps://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...ent-selection-committee-really-works.amp.html
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Well in that case we should be in without any issue.

I agree OP.

The whole point of NET rankings is that it takes into account good wins vs bad losses and weighs them to come up with a ranking. If the quad 3 losses were such a bad part of our resume, then why is our NET higher than pretty much all the other bubble teams?

If NET determines that our "bad" losses vs our good wins places us at 40th in the country then how can you say the bad losses keeps us out of the tourney?
 
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DirtyRU said:
So take Iowa for example... is this accurate? This is from March 6th from an Iowa local sports paper:

  • Quad 3: 1-2
  • Quad 4: 5-1
Is that correct??? Iowa has TWO Quad 3 losses AND one Quad 4 loss???? And they still get an 8-seed? Look, I'm not comparing them to us as in we're better... they spanked us around twice. I don't care. We also beat Penn State twice. But why wasn't the above more of a big deal? How did they still land an 8-seed. Those are THREE terrible losses, no? And we have 4. What am I missing? And that's just one team. I don't have it in me to deep-dive into every 8 and above seed, but people keep saying no bubble teams had losses like us. Well it took me all of 30 seconds of a Google search to find not a bubble team, but an EIGHT seed that has almost as many bad losses as us. Lord knows what I would find if I kept digging.

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I believe they have 13 q1/2wins
 
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GORU2014

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Well you see, Nebraska is a bad loss, even though they got hot at the end of the season. But that doesn’t matter anyway, because we cooled down at the end of the season. Make sense?
 
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GORU2014 said:
Well you see, Nebraska is a bad loss, even though they got hot at the end of the season. But that doesn’t matter anyway, because we cooled down at the end of the season. Make sense?
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What is your point bringing up Nebraska? Their situation couldn't be more different than Rutgers.
 
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